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I cant take your advice . You went and put a body on top of that beautiful frame !!

I went thru your build last nite . Didnt get to bed till 2 ! Your fab work is amazing !

I would just put a bucket seat on top of that and drive it around to show off.

I had the same concerns you did abt the bellhousing . That's why I was looking for more input. Thinking I still may use a boat eng mount just fab brackets in the center in orriginal position.

My fab work is now where close to yours. I need to fab in 90 deg angels .

Hey while I have you do you know where the oil pressure sender is ? Im sure I can find it but I just thot I would ask .

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ill attach a picture of the oil pressure sender on my 2nd gen 12v. i bet its the same on your 1st gen engine but i may be wrong



http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/ryanroo/001-3.jpg

its the little fitting/electrical connector behind the PS pump on the block

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thanks for the reply.

Yep I have that same sender . Just wasnt sure if it went into water or oil.

I may use a hydroboost. have 2 early 80's setups somewhere . They use the typical power steering pump? I thot u were using hydro so I figured you would know .

As for the mounts I meant I'd do same as you . Stock location on eng and make up a cross member for trans or maby use dodge one. Just with more 90 's Lol.

Is your truck up and running ? i didnt see a date on your last post . Eyes kept trying to close...

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I get where you are at on the mounts, sometimes my brain is a little slow...

you can use a non HB steering pump. there may be a some flow/pressure issues with that but that is an easy fix with the flow orifice and pressure spring in the pump. literally a half hour to up the pressure and flow with the pump in the truck. i've used non HB pump with HB and had no issues before, so it may not matter either way. if you have a non HB pump you have to either add a return port to the can for the HB or Tee the steering box return. both ways work. i plan on adding a return port to the can on mine, or finding a pump from 1st gen 24v truck that had HB and use that.

my truck is no where near running. i just got started doing rust repair on the cab a few weekends ago, and i am slow in making progress. my garage is cold and i am lazy! hope to get the cab to the blaster and then to the paint/finish body guy in january. then the fenders and doors. then the bed. the paint is being done one area at a time so i dont have to swallow the whole bill at once. i still need to get a wiring harness, lift pump and torque converter and rebuild the dana 60 before i can think about it being a runner. and i think i am going to use the green and white bed on the parts truck and use a different bed i found locally on the diesel. but there is some bartering/fabrication i have to do before that happens, so....

Ryan

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Going to be nice when done. For what it is worth I used a American auto wire harness in my 56 1st time around . It was a super product and super easy to install. Detailed instructions helped a lot !!!. Had a lot of opitinal upgrades available as well.

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So alittle more progress today .

The best tool I own is blue and way too big to fit in my tool box. Ca you guess what it is ?????

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Now I can get to work cleaning these up and replaceing some well worn front end parts .

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Anyone into lowered Dodges ???? Some call it in the weeds . Today it's in the snow .

:lol:

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Hey ryan .

I think Im goig to take your advice on the frame boxing . The front anyway. I just got the Stock steering box out and the frame kinda looks swiss cheezy there . No rust or hacking just too much light shining thru holes to make me think it will take the weight and added tork.

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This will be a cool project to watch. My daily is an 06 cummins ram 2500 HD with a ton of mods. Definitely can smoke the tires like all hell too especially when pulling a trailer. :lol:

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Orange has my vote.

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Looks like you have made some pretty good progress! I am ready to see it suffed in there. Do you think you could use the Dodge engine crossmember? It seems like it would bolt up if the frame is tall enough. It is 4 rivets on each side. I hope to be putting up some more pictures tomorrow. I got my core support painted and installed. Hope to get the radiator hooked up tomorrow afternoon possibly. Did you ever decide on the tires?

PS I like that Big Blue Beast to move stuff around with!

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i kinda went overkill on mine. i wanted to box the whole thing since i plan on towing and making this truck work, or who knows, maybe truck pulls... But boxing just the front from around the spring hangers forward is probably plenty. adds a good bit of structure it the high stress areas of the engine mount, suspension mounts and the steering mount areas.

my best tool is blue also, and to big to fit in my toolbox. mine says miller on the side!

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Hi luther

Got everything powerewashed up today . Cleaned up quite nice . My 60 F is going to need kingpin bushings and brakes and u joints . Going to splash some paint on it and bolt in it first tho . This will make eng location easier so I can see oil pan clearence issues . I looked into the dodge crossmember after I saw how you relocated yours. The Gm frame is wider tho. Going to measure again tho. Maby can use after I box the front frame . For wheels Im going to get a set of 235 85 16 BFG AT likely. On the dodge orriginal steel wheels , unless the gm cap dont fit then I will use GM wheels .

I have the painted version of these caps , but these are what I'm really looking for .

Any body Got ?????

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On the engine mounting, you can mount it off the front, but you will have to mount it on either side of the bell housing. This is how the medium duty trucks and semis are. The transmission just hangs there, or has a support hanger in the rear. I tried doing this in a 92 ford, and it was just too awkward to make functional I bailed on it. Boxing the frame won't hurt anything. That guy in Co keeps pushing it, and I'm going to box part of my frame too. (Someday) :lol:

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Those caps are awesome. What do they come off of?
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I have been looking for those for over a year and finally found a reasonable priced set of 4 of the full ones on Ebay. There are always over priced beat ones on there. Good ones go for north of $200, I got mine only because I was online when the guy posted a good BIN price and beat the other 4-5 guys that are looking for them. They are for 67-74 Chevy trucks and blazers. The 6 lug ones are 10.5" diameter, 8 lug 11.5". Make sure the outer edge is not cracked or they will not stay on the wheel. The front ones in your picture look like backs with a hole cut out. The factory 4wd have a dimpled profile at the hole (see pic below). I am holding off cutting mine, hopeing to get a good pair of stock ones.

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I think I am going to try to get some of them. They look so much better than the plain later model ones. I guess because the stamping of them makes them look like the belong on the task force.

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Exactly why I like them. Next gen flatter ones are going pretty cheap.
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Well some super progress tonite. Eng is in for a test fit and to eyeball what is needed for mounts. It fits better than I thought . i will be ditching the inercooler . And will use a electric pusher fan on the front of the rad. The floor will need a smack or two near the corners of the bellhousing . Going to use the dodge rad and fab up my own rad cradle. Clutch linkage is going to need some work. Thinking I will have the linkage go back to the crossmember and then back to the trans Kinda like a GM Z bar but further back . any ways here are some pics .

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The clearence around the Oil pan is better than I expected. Im thinking of using the 56 crossmember that was at the bellhousing on the stock 235 I6. If I move it up and use the stock dodge mounts with very little tweak if I think It can work. Going to box the front of the frame first and go from there.

Inside looks good too. The trans opening will have to be opened up up abt 1 inch more rearward.

Need to move the Temp sensor on the back of the head as well. I will pick up almost a inch by moven it somewhere else .

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If one of the Ryan's Catches this , I just want to make sure I'm up on my wire connections to make it run. The fuel soi is located on the back of the pump near where the lines come out ? Or is it the cylindershaped thing on the side of the pump with a steel line going forward and up and behind the pump.

Also the Grid heater has 2 con on it. Are they both Hot 12V? Coming from the big relays that were mounted on the drivers fender? I saw the big ground strap on the oppisite side this is why I was thinkin the were for the power con.

Thanks to ryan roo. The oil pressure sensor was exactly as you said . Took it out and the fitting for my stock gm cauge threaded rite in !.

Thanks !!

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That all looks really good. it fits better than i would have guessed!

the shut off on a VE pump is just forward of the injector lines at the top of the head.

i would think about the hydraulic clutch set up, i think they work better than mechanical and generally suck less to fab up.

the toaster connections are both hot i am pretty sure. i know both on mine are.

Ryan

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x2 on the hydraulic clutch / in todays world they make life a lot easier

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I can't believe I just saw this build for the first time. Awesome idea!
I'm a big Cummins fan, I've got two of 'em.
Way back in the 70's when I drove OTR, I always heard that if you stop a Detroit from leaking it will blow up. :lol:

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56 you are the man! Looks like your gonna save that firewall! I wish I had not used the intercooler now :(

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Where are you gonna put the battery and what size cables are you gonna run?

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Hi luther .

I think Im going to use the stock batt location. Will have to see tho as the exh comes up there as well . I will use 0 gauge batt cables . The factory is tha or maby even 2/0.

I dont plan to have this truck seeing too much extream use so I hope Im good to go on the intercooler. Will wait and find out. Im also going to find another GMC oil presure gauge and see if by chance it will read air / boost pressure . Thought that would be kinda cool. Concerned tho as the hole on a factory op gauge is real small. Pressure is pressure tho Rite? I Have a empty spot on the dash where the oem amp gauge would have been.

Also Im going to use a raycor fuel filter and mount the housing on the firewall. The neat thing abt this is It has dual inlets and outlets. I will plumb it before the cummins fuel pump and put the return line directly into it . This way I will only have to run one line to my fueltank.

Here is a pick of my painted hubcaps Im going to use . Not as cool as the chrome ones but I think they will suit the truck.

Ryanroo... thanks for the heads up on the fuel sol. I was quite sure that was it . juts not 100% becouse of the other cylindershaped sol on the side of the pump.

I may still use a hyd clutch setup. Not sure yet . I will be using the stock pedals tho no matter what.

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Here is a pic of the Raycore filter housing I will be using .

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Check ?

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Were those just on ebay a couple of days ago? I think those will look great on your truck. I wish I could tell what size the existing battery cable is on those Dodges.

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I found this about the battery cables.

http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/89...ery-cable.html

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Yep thats what I thought. I would be in heavin if I could put the batt In the stock location, ( I'm quite sure I can ) and use the stock dodge hot wire to the starter. It's close but I think it will end up abt 10 inches too short. I have lots of batt cable and ends at work . We use lots of it for our boat rigging . I can make up some cable no biggie .

Hey a 6.2 Chevelle sounds like a cool mpg crusier with the air on ! Fun

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I posted some pictures of the battery in the stock location on my build. I'm not sure that I like it there. It takes up alot of room.

Oh yeah i'm excited about the 6.2. I think it will make an awesome mpg machine. I'm aiming high for 30-35 mpg. Picked the engine up today. The crate it was in by itself weighs 540 lbs!
http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps0f7538e8.jpg

Do the 60 and 70 have the same perch width as your current axles?

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The 60 is the same . the 70 will have to have to have the perches moved in a bit .

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Nice build! Love the old 4by's!

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not too much to report as of lately. The Toronto boat show is abt to open and we have tons of work to do. I work for the Largest Sea Ray dealer In Canada. so not too much extra time rite now. I plan to get the rad cradel mocked up to mount the rad . then I can pull it apart again . get the eng painted and a few things done , Get the frame boxed up front and then slide the eng back in to start to fab the mounts. who knows ..... Maby it will stay in next time ????????

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Any more progress with the truck?

Looks awesome!

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I have been worken on getting the D60 fixed up, kingpin bearings , bushings. Brakes and such. The eng comes out tomorrow nite after the first fitment. Then the front axle can get some paint on and get bloted in. After that its on to frame boxing . spend a little bit of time everyday. Haven fun and moving fwd. Dosent get much better than that I guess

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So lots of good progress to report. Got the D60 front all cleaned up . New king pin bushings , and lower bearings. Brakes and wheelbearings too. Got the 70 rear done to. Didnt do the brakes yet tho. Still at 50 % and Im thinking abt going to rear disk. No sence buying new drums and stuff at this point . Got all the stuff painted and installed. It was way too easy. Something has to go wrong here . Look at the pic of the rear shocks. the dodge lower mount and the 56 gm upper. Fit perfect.!! Added 4 leaves to the front to help with all that extra weight.

Now on to the dodge. going to cut out the front crossmember as I thik i can make it work guite easily. just as long as it dosent hanf too low and hit the front diff.

So enuf with this here are some pics.