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lolife99 03-22-2010 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by brossow (Post 3875057)
Ah. I was confused because you said this: "Anyway,... they are 20x10 (6.250" bs) and 20x8.5 (5.250" bs) with the ever popular 5x5 bolt pattern." I thought you were referring to the truck shown, not the rims you ordered. Guess I could have seen that had it occurred to me to look at the width of the chrome lip.




Okay, so obviously it can be done with spacers, which will cost people about $60. Maybe I'm just misinterpreting what you've written, but you've really seemed to be badmouthing the 20x10 option when a cheap solution is not only possible but is in fact what you intend to use. Yes, it's obviously something people should consider when looking at these rims, but I think you've managed to scare away several people over what amounts to a minor issue that's easily resolved. (No offense; that's just how it comes across.) :confused:

No offense taken.
If people are scared to run spacers,... that's their option.
I just don't think people understand or realize what a 6.225" bs means.

I just want everyone to know what they are getting.
I would never run anything other than 8.5's up front and 10's in the rear with these 338 wheels. I always planned to run spacers on the rear.
I also switched to 1" rotors up front because I didn't want to use a spacer up front. (the 5.25" BS on the 8.5's is just barely enough for my liking)

My biggest pet peeve with wheels is the wrong backspace.
In my opinion,... the wheels have to fit the truck.
The offsets have to be different due to the wider track width of the front suspension. (or the rear wheels need to be wider)
Again,... this is just my opinion.

I'll get out of this thread.
I seem to be doing more harm than good.

SCOTI posted alot of good info about running the 20x10's with this 6.225" BS,... and no one seemed to be listening. So I chimed in with the spacer comment.
SCOTI's quote:
My 68 w/the stock 68 12-bolt could use 5-5.50" back-spacing. I installed 5.50"BS wheels that required mini-tubbing the bed floor. Add an additional .725" & it would only be worse. The use of a wider 71-72 rear might work better here but I'm not sure how much clearance would be there.....

The 5.50"BS was about the max I could use on my 74 (w/stock 74 12-bolt). Again, any more back-spacing would require mini-tubbing. There might be a slight chance they'd fit but it would be close.


The easy solution for everyone running a 15x8 ralley wheel, is to go out and see if you have another 2-3/16" or 2-1/4" of room between the inside edge of the wheel and the wheel tub. If you do fine. They will work.
(Just be sure to measure both sides of the truck,... because they are usually different)

Wildstreak 03-22-2010 12:36 PM

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I know what bs is need 5-5.5 but would the larger backspace give it a larger lip? just curious

72mistressc10 03-22-2010 12:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lolife99 (Post 3875179)
My biggest pet peeve with wheels is the wrong backspace.
In my opinion,... the wheels have to fit the truck.
The offsets have to be different due to the wider track width of the front suspension. (or the rear wheels need to be wider)
Again,... this is just my opinion.

I value your opinion...
So in other words this is the reason why one "shouldn't", in your opinion, run 20x8.5 all the way around, unless the individual is planning on running a spacer in the rear, correct?
20x10 will fit in the rear for my truck, I was just thinking of the rotating purposes for the 20x8.5 all the way around, but if it won't look right, then I would rather go with staggered.

Thanks for all the info, lolife that includes you ;)

SCOTI 03-22-2010 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by brossow (Post 3874887)
Here's a direct link to Benji's post, which shows the 20x10s on the rear of his '72 without any apparent spacers....

Keep in mind, that truck is a 72 which has the wider (by approx .750 each side) rear 12-bolt. That would explain why they fit w/o spacers/adapters vs. the shorter housing from a 6x-70.

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Originally Posted by Wildstreak
I know what bs is need 5-5.5 but would the larger backspace give it a larger lip? just curious

Opposite.... more back spacing within the same width of a wheel means less 'lip' on the outside. Less BS = more lip.

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Originally Posted by 72mistressc10
So in other words this is the reason why one "shouldn't", in your opinion, run 20x8.5 all the way around, unless the individual is planning on running a spacer in the rear, correct?
20x10 will fit in the rear for my truck, I was just thinking of the rotating purposes for the 20x8.5 all the way around, but if it won't look right, then I would rather go with staggered.

I like staggered sizing front to rear. I've never owned a vehicle w/the same width F/R thus have never rotated tires. If you don't mind the same size 8.5" front & rear, they should work w/o spacers. The 20x10's appear to work for the rear of 71-72's w/o issue looking @ the pic of Benji's truck (nice truck @ that).

k5hart 03-22-2010 01:24 PM

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Just to jump in and hopefully not cause more problems or sound offensive. I think, as it was said, these wheels were designed more for the 88-98 trucks which is why they work well on them as is. Remember, the track width is different for different years of trucks even among the same body styles.

That being said, the key to getting something that works for you is.....MEASURE YOUR TRUCK. No one knows what you have but you.

brossow 03-22-2010 01:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by k5hart (Post 3875253)
No one knows what you have but you.

And sometimes not even that. :lol:

Leviticus 03-22-2010 01:54 PM

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Ha, this is getting good, I think I'll just sit back and drink my coffee and watch the backspace drama continue:mm:

My 20x10's will be here tomorrow, and the new re-tooled 20x8.5's the following day. I'll let you guys know if the 20x10's stuff in my rear ok.

And I have a 72, so I will be no help to the 67-70 guys.

Sublvr72 03-22-2010 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 72gmcshorty (Post 3875027)
Excuse my ignorance...why would someone order different backspacing between the front and back? Can someone give me a quick and simple explanation of what backspacing is? Is it to do with how close the lip of wheel gets to the fender? Would either of these wheels fit with a stock 72 2wd rear end?


People like to go staggered to get the widest possible tire on the back of their RWD car/truck to get increased traction and looks.


Here's a simple image that goes over wheel fitment

http://www.getahelmet.com/jeeps/tech...ce/diagram.jpg

Q: How do I measure backspace?
A: The easiest way to measure backspace is to lay the wheel face down onto the ground so the backside of the wheel is facing up. Take a straight edge and lay it diagonally across the inboard flange of the wheel. Take a tape measure and measure the distance from where the straight edge contacts the inboard flange to the hub-mounting pad of the wheel. This measurement is backspace. The following photo shows three wheels with 2", 3", & 4" backspace.

http://centerlinewheels.com/images/backspace.jpg

http://image.fourwheeler.com/f/30470...ackspacing.jpg

and here's a good link with plenty of wheel measurement info

http://www.customtacos.com/tech/index.php?article=40

Sublvr72 03-22-2010 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildstreak (Post 3875144)
Its morning now and well Im still tired lol. but I have a clear thought now. how would much would shipping to canada cost? Im really interested, I was just about to buy c5's but these are looking very inviting. Im not scared of the spacer either, lots of people use them lol

no idea on postage to Canada, but if you are interested in a set I can find out for you. Just need your Province, city, and postal code

NORCAL SS 03-22-2010 02:33 PM

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i will be ordering a rim from summitracing to make sure the rears fit and then returning it. I want to test fit the 20x10 rear to see if i can fit a 305 40 20 on the rear of my dads 95 silverado. once thats set and checked i will be ordering them from this link.

Wildstreak 03-22-2010 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTI (Post 3875237)


Opposite.... more back spacing within the same width of a wheel means less 'lip' on the outside. Less BS = more lip.


ah now I see, Ill wait for Leviticus to get his to make my final decision. sorry you answered at the same time I was responding. Ill send you my info through pm.

Wildstreak 03-22-2010 03:23 PM

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whens the deadline for this deal to? I wouldnt want to miss it :)

TyKby2 03-22-2010 03:37 PM

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Just went and looked at the prices and I think I can't afford to wait to sell my other set of wheels. I guess I'll sell them to buy tires.

brossow 03-22-2010 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildstreak (Post 3875425)
whens the deadline for this deal to? I wouldnt want to miss it :)

(See Sublvr72's answer below.)

Sublvr72 03-22-2010 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildstreak (Post 3875425)
whens the deadline for this deal to? I wouldnt want to miss it :)


I'm collecting orders this week, and I will place them with american eagle by friday.

Future orders are possible, just need to collect a few before I go down there to have them shipped.

Sublvr72 03-22-2010 06:56 PM

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attn all!

18x8 and 18x9.5 chrome are in stock and ready to ship!

justincat 03-22-2010 07:06 PM

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cool, im in as soon as the 20 by 10 and 20 by 8.5s come in on the chrome. I understand you have to run a spacer on the back. Do you have to run 1" rotors in the front or can you run 1 1/4 rotors on a 67?

k5hart 03-22-2010 07:18 PM

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Are the 18's in grey available yet?

Sublvr72 03-22-2010 07:24 PM

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18" grey are available in both 18x8 and 18x9.5

DrtyJack75 03-22-2010 07:39 PM

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Wow, Im more confused now.. haha

I have a 67, pwr disk brake conversion and 5 lug axles from ECE.

I do NOT have bags as of right now, but I DO WANT THEM SOON!

Will these fit? Im not that scared of spacers/adaptors...but will these work on a 67 if it's bagged (or going to be)???

Im sorry...my trucks in storage and away in (military) training so Im unable to go out and measure my truck right now.

THANKS!!

Wildstreak 03-22-2010 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublvr72 (Post 3875569)
I'm collecting orders this week, and I will place them with american eagle by friday.

Future orders are possible, just need to collect a few before I go down there to have them shipped.

when could I expect shipment if i jump in on this? not really worried about it just would like to know an eta....

Sublvr72 03-22-2010 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildstreak (Post 3875903)
when could I expect shipment if i jump in on this? not really worried about it just would like to know an eta....


I'm going down to place the order Friday morning, so all orders must be in by Thursday before 3:00PM PST if you want them to ship by next week.

Wildstreak 03-22-2010 09:00 PM

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ok after thinking about it, Im in, I just have to transfer the money in my account. Ill be ready to pay tomorrow. Do i just send you my info via PM?

k5hart 03-22-2010 09:08 PM

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Just got my order in! Can't wait to get them.:metal:

So maybe this should be a different thread....but who has good tire deals??

Sublvr72 03-22-2010 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildstreak (Post 3876056)
ok after thinking about it, Im in, I just have to transfer the money in my account. Ill be ready to pay tomorrow. Do i just send you my info via PM?


order online, call it in, pm, or email works

Wildstreak 03-22-2010 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublvr72 (Post 3876165)
order online, call it in, pm, or email works

cool man, Ill just send you the info through PM tomorrow. I couldn't pass this up, what I save on what I was going to spend of c5's almost pays for my lowering kit :)

edit: Oh yea..... Id like combo #4 please lol
2-20x8.5 2-20x10 grey

TyKby2 03-22-2010 10:50 PM

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Plan on pulling the trigger tomorrow when I have the funds in the bank account.

darthwall 03-22-2010 10:59 PM

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im in just paid for them 18x8 and 20x10 in grey

Fastest32 03-23-2010 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sublvr72 (Post 3875815)
attn all!

18x8 and 18x9.5 chrome are in stock and ready to ship!

So does that mean the 20's are ready to ship too? I thought they were gonna do the chrome 20's first. Mine are on order from the San Antonio warehouse. Where is evryone else getting theirs from?

Sublvr72 03-23-2010 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Fastest32 (Post 3876672)
So does that mean the 20's are ready to ship too? I thought they were gonna do the chrome 20's first. Mine are on order from the San Antonio warehouse. Where is evryone else getting theirs from?


No Chrome 20's yet, just 18's

Fastest32 03-23-2010 07:54 AM

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That AE blog said the 20's would be the first ones out. I guess not.

70k52wd 03-23-2010 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lolife99 (Post 3874731)
The 20x8.5's will be fine for the front, if they address the "hub fitment issues".
The rear will need spacers.

Everyone is so "blinded" by the cheap price,... that they just forget all the other stuff.
Most people running Coys 20x10's have a choice of 5" or 5.5" backspace.
These wheels have a 6.225" backspace.

Get out your tape measures and check out your trucks for yourself.

I was wondering how long it would take for rear b/s questions to come up.:lol:

And this whole time, I thought the b/s offered was custom b/s up to 6.225...
I guess they would cost 700+ a rim if that were the case.

TyKby2 03-23-2010 10:48 AM

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Sublvr72 I sent you a PM asking a couple of Q's about this deal and your website.

brossow 03-23-2010 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 70k52wd (Post 3877107)
I was wondering how long it would take for rear b/s questions to come up.:lol:

And this whole time, I thought the b/s offered was custom b/s up to 6.225...
I guess they would cost 700+ a rim if that were the case.

The good news is they're a direct bolt-on for your '00 GMC. :D

Fastest32 03-23-2010 11:30 AM

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Wait, they don't fit the back without spacers either? Does this apply to the 73-87's I thought it was just the front that wouldn't fit.

brossow 03-23-2010 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Fastest32 (Post 3877176)
Wait, they don't fit the back without spacers either? Does this apply to the 73-87's I thought it was just the front that wouldn't fit.

Measure your truck and compare it with the offset of these wheels. Pre-'70 will almost certainly require a spacer. '71-87 rear ends are 3/4" wider on each side (1.5" total) and may not need a spacer, or may only require a thin one rather than the full adapter-style spacer. Only you can determine for sure if you'll need a spacer.

Everyone needs to be clear: the wheels were retooled for a hub fitment issue, not a backspacing problem. If the backspacing was wrong for your application before, it'll be wrong for your application now. Some people used spacers in the past as a workaround for the fitment issue with the front hub, not because it was needed for backspacing.

Brent

SCOTI 03-23-2010 12:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by brossow (Post 3877121)
The good news is they're a direct bolt-on for your '00 GMC. :D

00 GM's are 6-lug.

Quote:

Measure your truck and compare it with the offset of these wheels. Pre-'70 will almost certainly require a spacer. '71-87 rear ends are 3/4" wider on each side (1.5" total) and may not need a spacer, or may only require a thin one rather than the full adapter-style spacer. Only you can determine for sure if you'll need a spacer.

Everyone needs to be clear: the wheels were retooled for a hub fitment issue, not a backspacing problem. If the backspacing was wrong for your application before, it'll be wrong for your application now. Some people used spacers in the past as a workaround for the fitment issue with the front hub, not because it was needed for backspacing.
I can't run more than 5.50"BS on my 74. Anything more & it will rub the inner wheel tub/mounting hardware.

brossow 03-23-2010 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTI (Post 3877263)
00 GM's are 6-lug.

D'OH! Just snap one off. :lol:

Is it '88-98 that were 5-lug?

SCOTI 03-23-2010 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by brossow (Post 3877278)
D'OH! Just snap one off. :lol:

Is it '88-98 that were 5-lug?

Correct.

brossow 03-23-2010 12:52 PM

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This is pretty much off-topic, but is there a thread anywhere that lists the different rear-end widths for the different years? I've searched the forums and Google with no success. Sure would be nice to have readily available.


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