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Skirkpat 04-30-2009 07:48 PM

Re: '66 Sunbeam Minx Project - F20C/6sp/4-link/Discs...
 
So let me get this straight, all of the engine (except acc.) will sit behind the front wheels centerline? That will be a freaking riot to drive...

Jvsapp 04-30-2009 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Frizzle Fry (Post 3286567)
Poly bushings. Funny thing about the sig; when I try to update it it wants me to cut it way down :waah: vbulliten...

that sucks... musta been them recent upgrades due to guys abusing the delete button...:thumbs:

Frizzle Fry 04-30-2009 11:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 6772owner (Post 3286420)
FF the fabrication skills you have just amazes me. I wish I was half that good, you are truly an artist with metal.

Thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skirkpat (Post 3286823)
So let me get this straight, all of the engine (except acc.) will sit behind the front wheels centerline? That will be a freaking riot to drive...

Pretty close, ya. Should be fun.

Jvsapp 04-30-2009 11:36 PM

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FF looking back through your thread, i just noticed that you have the master cylinder on it's side. are you planning to run a remote tank? and how did you calculate the brake pedal pin location? without the booster so that the brakes won't be too hard to use?

neto 05-01-2009 12:48 AM

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Amazing build! That thing is going to fly. I have an S2000 stock and it moves like you wouldn't believe. WOW.

Frizzle Fry 05-01-2009 01:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jvsapp (Post 3287326)
FF looking back through your thread, i just noticed that you have the master cylinder on it's side. are you planning to run a remote tank? and how did you calculate the brake pedal pin location? without the booster so that the brakes won't be too hard to use?

Yes it is turned 90* and I will be building/using/mod'ing a custom reservoir which will mount on top of the MC with feed tubes down to the inlet ports. Should bleed fine with the normal bench bleeding procedure.

I don't have the measurements in front of me but I moved the clevis up 1/2". That was as far as it could go and still get full stroke on the MC given the pedal/floor room. Add to that the fact that the s2000 weighs 33% more than the Minx (2800 v 2100), and I expect the pedal feel to be somewhere between power and manual brakes. Should be fine, but I can always make improvements if needed (that's my standard answer if you haven't noticed :lol:).

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Originally Posted by neto (Post 3287452)
Amazing build! That thing is going to fly. I have an S2000 stock and it moves like you wouldn't believe. WOW.

That's good to hear. I've never driven or been a passenger in one, so I'm not sure what to expect. I know they're quick and the drivetrains are pretty highly respected.

neto 05-01-2009 02:28 AM

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You will need some wide tires in the back. I shift right below the red line 8,000. The engine really kicks in at 5-6000 rpms. 80 miles an hour in fourth at about 6500. Fun, fun fun.

Frizzle Fry 05-01-2009 02:36 AM

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Well, I went with a higher (numerically lower) rear ratio 3.73 vs. the S2000's 4.10, combined with a lighter overall package I'm hoping the 235/40/17's will be just about right (they should break loose when I want them to).

Originally posted by gomarlins3 on s2000.com:
OEM MY00-03 (AP1) wheel sizes and offsets are as follows:

Front:
16" x 6.5", +55 offset, 205 tire
Rear:
16" x 7.5", +65 offset, 225 tire

and the OEM MY04+ (AP2) wheels are as follows:

Front:
17" x 7.0", +55 offset, 215 tire
Rear:
17" x 8.5", +65 offset, 245 tire

VA72C10 05-01-2009 03:07 AM

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Looking good man!

Mister laugh 05-05-2009 01:58 PM

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This project continues to amaze me, i cant wait to see the finished result. Get this thing done faster I want to see the result badly now.

Jvsapp 05-05-2009 10:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Frizzle Fry (Post 3287464)
Yes it is turned 90* and I will be building/using/mod'ing a custom reservoir which will mount on top of the MC with feed tubes down to the inlet ports. Should bleed fine with the normal bench bleeding procedure.

I don't have the measurements in front of me but I moved the clevis up 1/2". That was as far as it could go and still get full stroke on the MC given the pedal/floor room. Add to that the fact that the s2000 weighs 33% more than the Minx (2800 v 2100), and I expect the pedal feel to be somewhere between power and manual brakes. Should be fine, but I can always make improvements if needed (that's my standard answer if you haven't noticed :lol:).

that's cool FF. something for me to try later on. i was thinking now that my corolla swap is done, i can get back on my nova. i scored a set of disc brake spindles with rotors. just needs calipers and i was hoping to use the dodge power wagon disc master i got. no room for a booster in my nova as well. are you planning to use a combo valve on the minx?

Frizzle Fry 05-06-2009 02:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by VA72C10 (Post 3287541)
Looking good man!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister laugh (Post 3294625)
This project continues to amaze me, i cant wait to see the finished result. Get this thing done faster I want to see the result badly now.

Thanks x2 I'm on the last class of my degree program so I will be accelerating this build soon!
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Originally Posted by Jvsapp (Post 3295488)
...are you planning to use a combo valve on the minx?

Proportioning valve? I'm going to use the S2000 prop-valve since I will have all the other brake components from the car.

dh81k30 05-20-2009 06:34 AM

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Mike,

You have a PM.

sleepertruck72 05-24-2009 03:37 AM

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FrizzleFry,
Awesome work ! That Honda engine should scoot that car around no problem with alot of grins ! Its that kind of creativity that keeps old cars & trucks interesting. Cant wait to see it done

Frizzle Fry 05-25-2009 12:42 AM

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Thank you! The last day of my last class is tomorrow so I should make some real progress this week!

low'n slow 05-30-2009 08:19 PM

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OK, it's been a week. Where are the progess pictures? By the way, I really think this is a great project!

Frizzle Fry 05-31-2009 06:37 PM

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I've been doing the mortgage broker scavenger hunt for about a week while I should have been in the shop!
:but:
I've been out there! I've even taken a few pics ...But nothing worth showing by themselves. I started making the initial cuts in the front frame rails for the S2000 rail sections to go in. I also removed one of the inner fender braces and jacked up the inner fender a little bit in the process ...but all is fixable. More to come.

FRENCHBLUE72 05-31-2009 07:26 PM

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Hey mike I went through a guy in portland when I bought my house ill try to get his number and p.m. it to ya....

Sillyoldman 06-02-2009 12:08 PM

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Love this thread.

71'tahoe 06-04-2009 09:43 PM

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Im loving it Mike!!
It reminds me of a 4 door karman gia...I say go with the daisy wheels...these days every body has 17" aluminum wheels..its still a sleeper..it has 4 doors..LOL..

Your skills are awsome! Keep up the good work.

dammitmitchell 06-04-2009 10:29 PM

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when i look at this thread i shake my head at myself..
seeing your welds and "it's only metal" attitude.....
grrr i need more pratice welding!.
hahaha

Frizzle Fry 06-05-2009 02:16 AM

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Thanks guys :) I ALMOST got out there today but ended up spending another 3+ hours gathering stuff for the underwriter (it gets complicated with a recent divorce and child support involved). That's what I mean by mortgage broker scavenger hunt. They send you on one... I making it a priority to get out there tomorrow!!!

Frizzle Fry 06-06-2009 02:03 AM

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Well, I got one frame section removed and one S2000 section trimmed down and nearly fitting. I took pics, but the computer is tied up at the moment (I'm using my phone), so I'l post them tomorrow. It's not very pretty to look at right now. Kinda reminds me of the time I had a gaping hole in the side of my Burb : LOL:

Frizzle Fry 06-06-2009 11:25 AM

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Pics of carnage. The last two with the S2000 section sitting there are just that; sitting there. It will be moved outboard another couple inches.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...g?t=1244303411

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...g?t=1244303227

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...g?t=1244303227

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...g?t=1244303227

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...g?t=1244303227

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...g?t=1244303227

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...g?t=1244303227

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...g?t=1244303227

GRIMSS 06-06-2009 08:05 PM

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You sure have a puzzle there. Looks like some good progress.

I need to do something like that to my VW "NOBACK", but I would like to put a flathead in the front.

Keep up the great work.

Frizzle Fry 06-07-2009 02:06 PM

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That NOBACK is cool man. I'm hoping one of my kids will get into veedubs so I'll have an excuse to play with them again.

Mine is a big puzzle right now, but it'll come together.

Dave Reed 06-09-2009 08:37 AM

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Arghhh! Between yours and LFD's Tahoe builds and now this I will never get any work done here at the office. I will need to hire someone to work so I can read more builds!

Jvsapp 06-10-2009 03:04 AM

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sweet FF looks like it's all coming together nicely. cant' wait for more progress pics

original_balzer 06-11-2009 08:58 PM

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Even though I called it the clown car I do dig it. Especially now that its gunna have motivation and carving abilities.

I was curious about the shifter and what your doing there. The box part you cut off so you could shorten the shaft going back on somehow in the new forward location? or is this something you can fab up a suitable replacment?

As always your doing killer work.

I do have 1 tiny request though. Ditch that ugly black roof rack and find somting in chrome or stainless. Kinda like old VW roof racks. It would fit the car way better than that "euro trash" looking one. lol I guess the whole car is european though isnt it. :haha:

EDIT: dont worry bout the rack till after the swap LMAO

Jvsapp 06-11-2009 09:51 PM

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i like the roof racks. they add to the sleeper look. also they are a nice place to store the hood ;) i am looking for roof racks for my nova too. that way i can strap 2 surfboards on the top of it and cruise the breaks here.

Frizzle Fry 06-12-2009 12:53 AM

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Thanks OB.

Shifter: the enclosure will be moved forward, bolted on with custom brackets, and the shift rod shortened accordingly.

Roof rack: Yes I will go with a vintage style rack when the time comes ;) In fact I have a VW rack with wood slats I may restore/mod to fit.

Thanks for the backup Jvsapp :lol:

I made some more progress last night. Basically just more cutting/trimming to get the frame section and crossmember closer to fitting. I ended up needing to make a C-Notch in the Minx frame to clear the rear/lower arm mount. Pics to follow...

original_balzer 06-12-2009 08:39 PM

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The vintage VW rack with wood would look killer on there.
I didnt mean to sound like I didnt like a roof rack at all just something other than the modern one.

I thought of 1 more tiny thing. Use a muffler that wont make it sound like a ricer. But knowing you theres no way it would sound like a fart cannon, so m probably safe there.

Frizzle Fry 06-12-2009 09:29 PM

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I'm not really sure what type of muffler will give it the non-rice sound but I won't be happy till I find it. Initial plans are to run the full length header the engine came with, 2.5" pipe into a 40 series flowmaster I have in the parts bin, and a long tail pipe all the way back. Hopefully it'll have a decent sound, but I'll swap mufflers more than once if needed.

Jvsapp 06-12-2009 10:09 PM

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hence the reason my 20V corolla has the stock muffler under it. i was contemplating a stock subaru WRX muffler. i mean stock they flow 260HP so it should be sufficient for my car, yet still quiet. but the flowmaster 40 will add a little growl there. just stay away from the import N1 style mufflers. those are the fart cans that are obnoxious and loud.

original_balzer 06-12-2009 10:33 PM

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A buddy of mine build a 1989 nissan 240sx for drag racing and swapped in a turbo engine from the jap equilivant car. I couldnt tell ya what size the engine was but it was a 4 cyl rear wheel drive.

ANYWAY he had an exhaust cutout for racing but on the street he used this muffler and it had a deep throaty sound like a little corvette. I recall him telling me it was a cheapo from autozone or something.

http://www.holley.com/types/Raptor.asp

I tried one on my 2.8L v6 S-10 pickup, and it sounded good as well. I noticed it was fairly quiet until I got into the upper RPMs. Just a sugestion.

Oh by the way mine was 2.5" inlet/outlet.

Jvsapp 06-12-2009 11:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by original_balzer (Post 3357120)
A buddy of mine build a 1989 nissan 240sx for drag racing and swapped in a turbo engine from the jap equilivant car. I couldnt tell ya what size the engine was but it was a 4 cyl rear wheel drive.

ANYWAY he had an exhaust cutout for racing but on the street he used this muffler and it had a deep throaty sound like a little corvette. I recall him telling me it was a cheapo from autozone or something.

http://www.holley.com/types/Raptor.asp

I tried one on my 2.8L v6 S-10 pickup, and it sounded good as well. I noticed it was fairly quiet until I got into the upper RPMs. Just a sugestion.

Oh by the way mine was 2.5" inlet/outlet.

probably was a SR20DET. the raptor muffler i have one on my nova. it's pretty tame :D but mine is probably 2" in and out.

71'tahoe 06-12-2009 11:11 PM

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I also have one of those raptor mufflers on my toyota truck(its a 4 cylinder) and it doesnt sound bad. I also had a daily driver nissan x cab truck with a hi flow converter and a 2chamber flowmaster and it was loud when I got in the throttle...

dammitmitchell 06-13-2009 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jvsapp (Post 3357082)
hence the reason my 20V corolla has the stock muffler under it. i was contemplating a stock subaru WRX muffler. i mean stock they flow 260HP so it should be sufficient for my car, yet still quiet. but the flowmaster 40 will add a little growl there. just stay away from the import N1 style mufflers. those are the fart cans that are obnoxious and loud.

the issue with subaru exhaust is the cat's.. the muffler will free up tonsof power when you drop it (on a subaru) but it's thecat system that totally neuters thecar..
once you do intake and exhaust it is a beast...
sorry.. subarus come secondto chevy's

Jvsapp 06-13-2009 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dammitmitchell (Post 3357417)
the issue with subaru exhaust is the cat's.. the muffler will free up tonsof power when you drop it (on a subaru) but it's thecat system that totally neuters thecar..
once you do intake and exhaust it is a beast...
sorry.. subarus come secondto chevy's

Makes me wonder if FF is gonna use the kitty or not. my 20V corolla i lucked out i had a high flow cat from my OBX header i had on the original motor sitting in a box. the header that came with my clip was larger than the stock one so all i had to do was slot the holes on the high flow one and it bolted up.

dammitmitchell 06-13-2009 02:56 AM

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all i can say from my stint with imports is that the CAT is the worse part..
but man i LOVE subaru mufflers.. it's like bassani it's soooo .. i dunno.. distinct..
not to hijack..
fry i WOULD NOT run a magna flow.. they have gotten expensive and are toooooooo quiet... i hear the intake on my buddies built ranger before i hear the exhaust and that bugs me..make me thing of a honda civic..
just my .02


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