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Now I got spots in my eyes.

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They'll definitly burn some retina's on high beams! The driving lights only come on with the high beams, and the sharp cut off pattern of the low beams keeps any glare out of the eyes of oncoming traffic. The pic below shows the low beam cut off pretty well.

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Here's an update on the wheel. I finished shaping the wheel repairs and sprayed it with a couple thick coats of Slick Sand. I didn't spray a coat of DP90 over it since I have a wheel resto book that said that polyester primer sticks extremely well to the plastic. I did spray a light coat of Bull Dog adhesion promoter over the wheel first to help make sure the primer sticks. I'm pretty happy with the way it turned out, and can't wait to sand it down to get the shape dead-on and the small imperfections out. I slightly reduced the Slick Sand so it layed out very smooth.

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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
 

First off, big thanks to chevyrestoguy for donating the super hard to find air pressure gauge decal!! Nobody is currently selling decals that include the air pressure or vacuum gauge decals, and chevyrestoguy had the air decal left over from a set he had. Thanks so much!! :metal:

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I had a slow day at work after lunch so I got a good start on restoring the gauge cluster. I had already bought a decal set off ebay for the other gauges, and bead blasted the housing and gauge mounts. Krylon makes a green paint that is a very close match for the inside of the housing, and I cleared the outside like the factory did. The wiring cleaned up good with 3M adhesive cleaner, then I wiped it down with Duragloss Vinyl and Rubber dressing to bring the color out and darken the black peices. I've still got to make the "Tand'm Lock" and "Over Speed" lenses and get them installed, and put new bulbs in the bulb holders. The air gauge doesn't sit exactly level in the opening so I've got to straighten that out as well. I'm pretty stoked with how it's turned out so far!

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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
 

Wow turned out very clean..

Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
 

sweet

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sweet, it cleaned up really nice

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That looks amazing! Great work.

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very nice on all accounts!

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:canada::c2:

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Wow, thanks dudes!! :metal: Here's a few shots with the bezel on.


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Gorgeous man, pure jewelry.

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You do some great work. I love your attention to the smallest details.

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Man, that gauge cluster turned out AWESOME! You are a true pro at what you do, and donating that air gauge overlay was my pleasure. I knew it was going to a good home.....

I always look forward to your progress!

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Thanks dude!!

Thanks alot!!

I appreciate that, and thanks again for the decal!! I'm definitely not a pro, just trying to do my best at whatever I'm doing.



Tonight I worked on getting the steering wheel sanded and ready for a couple coats of surfacer, and also started on grooving the wheel for the chrome rings. I've got one ring in it, just got to finish the other one and it'll be ready to prime and paint. The column parts will get prepped next so they can be painted the same time the wheel. That way all everything for the column will be finished and ready to install when that time comes.


Amazingly enough, the wheel sanded out nearly perfectly the first time with only four small pinholes to spot fix. I figured it would have taken atleast a couple rounds of priming and sanding to get it ready for surfacer.

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I taped some string across the wheel to get an idea of where the top center was, then laid out fine line tape to make guide lines for the grooves. I've still got to slightly round the edges of the grooves so they're not so sharp, and also make sure there's clearance for the primer and paint, but it's a start.

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Now that I've got a transmission, I stuck the engine block and T56 together and set them in the frame to get an idea of how much room I'll have for the front X braces. I'm going to talk to a local fab shop about making a tube sleeve around the mid/tail section out of 1/8 plate for the center section of the front X braces. I'm thinking it'll need to be made in two halves, upper and lower so the trans can be dropped out if needed. The tube will let me run the front legs of the X braces farther to the front of the frame rails so any twisting will be more effectively transferred from corner to corner, instead of the frame twisting. The tube shape will also take any torsional loads without twisting or deforming.


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Here's the rough drawing that I originally come up with showing the tube design. As long as the T56 is, the tube will need to be moved up around the transmission compared to where it is in the drawing.

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I've been thinking about the interior of the truck ever since I started working on the column, wheel and gauges. I'm kind of torn between fully redoing the interior, or just cleaning the original paint and seat and leaving it as is. As mentioned in the start of the thread, there is some rust in the kick panel area so I'll already be doing some metal/body/paint work inside the cab. I also want to add sound deadener under the floor of the cab, so I'll be sandblasting already as well. I'm gunna have a hard time replicating the texture of the dash board, which kinds makes me want to leave it alone. The fawn paint is badly stained though from the original owner smoking in it for so many years. The original seat is in great shape, but isn't quite nice enough to fit in with new paint. It's at the point where it isn't quite as nice as the outside if the truck, so I'm leaning more towards completely redoing everything inside. I really really love the way the interior in the blue '65 I restored turned out- it's probably my favorite part of the whole truck, and it would be awesome to have Goldilocks lookin that good inside. What are you guys thinking? Should I leave it original and just super clean/detail what's there, or go full tilt resto on it?

Here's a pic of the '65s interior.

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that's a tough call...but if the outside is staying original, i think i'd try hard to keep the inside original...maybe you can fauxtina any areas that are showing after fixing rusty areas...i really like a clean interior, and i've seen a couple nice examples of redone interior with original outside...but at the same time, i think it takes away a little bit of the truck's character

Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
 

Just found this thread, nice work!!

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After following both of your threads for some time now, I don't think you'll ever be satisfied with the interior anything but fully restored and I say go for it. Make it right. Besides, then I get to watch as you work your magic that much more.
:metal::metal:

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After looking back at the entire build thred, I would leave the original interior paint and just fix the spots that have rusted through. Its only original once.

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Hate to say but I agree.

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i agree too, with the work with the steering wheel, the floor patch and the gauge cluster, might as well paint it!

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resto it. Dunn... now get to work... :-)

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I am aboard

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Well, that's the thing; the outside has been repainted in the past (late 70's/early 80's?) so it's not really original, just old enough to become worn and patina'd again.



Thanks!



I think you're right, I probably wouldn't be happy with it later on, and I'd always kick myself for not doing it while it was apart and easy to do. But, parts of it (like the seat) make me want to keep it original.



It is original inside, but the paint is pretty badly stained and I don't know how it will clean up yet. I'll try to clean it up and see what it looks like before I make a final decision, but I'm leaning towards redoing it.



:lol:



Those parts would kinda look out of place against the old paint.



Gotta finish the frame first... just thinking out loud and getting yall's opinions right now. Although you're welcome to come down and get a head start on it anytime you want! :lol:



Awesome!!

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Made new "OVER SPEED" and "TAND'M LOCK" warning light lenses.


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Another question for the ones following the build.

I'm second guessing my decison to build the 250 six. I signed up on an Inline 6 forum and asked those guys what they thought about the plans I had for the engine. They didn't think it would be reliable or streetable at the 350-375 hp range it would take to get the truck into the 13's. It also wouldn't be cheap, especially considering the lowish power it would make if it was detuned to be driveable. I'd be looking at around 275-300 hp for it to be driveable and reliable, and woudn't be enough power to get the truck into the 13's like I want.

The other engine I had thought about was a 4200 Vortec inline 6 that makes 290 hp stock and is all aluminum so it wouldn't weigh much. The drawbacks are, no flywheels are readily avaiable, the T56 won't bolt up, the stock oilpan won't work in the truck, and no cams are available. Other than adding a turbo, there isn't much you can do to add power.

The third option, and the one I'm leaning toward, is an aluminum block 5.3 LS engine destroked to 4.8 using a 4.8 crank with forged rods and pistons. A stock 5.3 is around 310 horsepower. The smaller displacement would get better mileage, the crank would be stronger due to more rod journal overlap, and it woudn't need a radical set of heads to make power at high rpms. I'd like it to make power to 7500 rpm and redline around 8500. I'd use an individual runner intake manifold with four 2-barrel Dellorto carbs (I really like those carbs and IR intakes if you hadn't noticed :lol:) which would make the engine's operating range wider with more average horsepower and torque. The runners are isolated from reversion in other intake tracts so there's a ton more low end torque and driveability. That would be ideal for autocrossing since shifting kills time, and a wider operating range and more average hp/tq would help a ton since it'll be stuck in one gear while making a run. It would be cheaper than building the 250, weigh less, get better mileage, and make a ton more power. A stock 5.3 engine will pick up almost 100 hp just doing a cam and spring swap. Even destroked, it should make atleast 450 hp and be cheaper to build than the 250 six. The drawback is that my current LT1 T56 woudn't work, but it's easy enough to find a LS1 style T56.

Thoughts?

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I really wanted to see the six in the truck too, mainly because I didn't want a cookie cutter V8 though. Of course the destroked 5.3 with four dellorto's won't be anywhere near normal. I hadn't thought about the shift lights in the dash, I'll take the tandem lock out and swap it for a yellow "SHIFT" lens. I can put higher wattage bulbs in them and make the light tubes out of more reflective aluminum. Could hook the red over speed light to come on with the rev limiter. Great idea, thanks!!
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Nothing beats cubic dollars. A high horse power L6 would be cool but you have to work with in your budget and sometimes compromise.

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I'd still go with the six if it could be reliably built to around 350hp even if it cost more, but the guys on the inliners forum didn't think it would work. It wouldn't be much fun to drive with only 275 hp and the suspension and brakes to handle a good bit more. The V8 would be way more fun to drive and sound better too.
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Well then build the 6 like you want just because those other folks don't think it will work doesn't mean that it won't work case in point I built a 400 smblk with the stock cast crank that everyone said you can not turn it above 6grand and that it would not last well it was my daily driver and i use turn it 7200 and never had a problem so all the na sayers were wrong oh and this was in a 4x4 that also used for the street stock class truck pull 6500 pound sled.

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I have to agree with Duallyjams... build what you want, and tweak it to how you want it.
I wanted a "Sprint" engine for my Tempest, but they are getting harder and harder to find, so I had a stock 230 rebuilt into a Sprint. A $150 engine turned into a $3,000 rebuild. But it was what I wanted, and it will get it's first showing this summer.

Good luck on whatever you decide though, your process is immaculate and no doubt the end result will be well received no matter which path you take!

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John-
I had some reservations about the 6 right from the start. In order for you to achieve your horsepower and E.T. goals, it was going to have to be a pretty radical 6 cylinder. Radical can oftentimes mean temperamental, and that's no fun. I really like the idea of a LS engine. Those things make great power, don't leak, and get great mileage when coupled with the right components. Don't overlook the 4.8, you can find those engines CHEAP, oftentimes 1/3rd the cost of a 5.3.

I like the old straight 6 engines, but when you were wanting to go 13:1 on compression, I got worried. Even with good gas, a slight error on the tune can lead to severe death rattle (detonation) and that'll waste the rod bearings in a hurry.

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do what your heart tells you to do. it is your truck and your the one that is going to drive it. your the only one that really matters in this case. you cam always change it, unless you are an old fart and your days are numbered, then you have to do what you have to do to fulfill your dream . no matter how fast you go there will always be someone quicker tomorrow. it is the challenge. a lot of people do not get the challenge, do not understand it; just put in the newest and the bestest and join the club.
try your interior the way it is( clean it up); you may be happy with it. then again it will not be a major obstacle later to update it if you want to. life only comes around once.
“Ignorance is a powerful tool if applied at the right time, even usually surpassing knowledge.”
e.j.potter
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
 

Thanks guys, I've decided that I'm gunno go with the LS engine. The 250 would be extremely cool, but after getting more feedback from the inliner guys, it just doesn't seem feasible as a street engine. I'm looking for a L33 5.3 since they had aluminum blocks and cylinder head castings that are nearly identical to LS6 heads. I'll probably run it stock for awhile then build it later on. I want to get this thing running!

The LS will eventually be detailed like an original 283 or 327 would have been with painted block/heads/intake, stamped steel accessory brackets, hidden coils, I'll fab some "Chevrolet" script valve covers, cast iron headers, and the carbs will be gold phosphate plated with fake oil bath air filters.

I found another cheap T56 on craigslist that's from a LS1 Camaro for $700 bucks since the one I've got is from a LT1 car and wont work. MalibuKasey wants the LT1 T56 for his truck, so that worked out well for both of us. I've bought two T56's for about what one is going for on Ebay! The factory tach also won't work with the LS motor's higher redline, so I'll check into getting it silkscreened and the internals reworked to go to 10k rpm. I want it to read "0 2 4 6 8 10" instead of "0 1 2 3 4 5" with the original font style, colors, and layout.

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Unless you are dead set on carbeurating(sp) the 5.3, Mast Motorsports make an awesome intake with throttle body and fuel rails. The first time I saw the set up, with hidden coils, I would have sworn it was a SBC. It had a very lumpy cam with an old school cam sound, yet it retained the great mileage and made incredible HP.
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My whole idea of going with four webers was to get away from the rough idle/lope normally associated with big cams and plenum manifolds, and because I have zero experience with efi. The individual runners in the manifold keeps the intake charge from being influenced by reversion from other cylinders, which keeps the idle smooth and boosts driveability. That means I can run more duration to increase top end power while retaining low end torque and smoothness. There are individual throttle body efi intakes available, but they cost atleast $3500 and I wouldn't be able to tune it. I can tune webers with a $200 buck wideband air/fuel gauge/datalogger myself- that's less than a tune on a dyno cost and I can tune it for any kind of driving conditions, not just dyno pulls. MSD makes a simple LS ignition controller that is programmed with a laptop, and also has a MAP sensor for added advance at cruise for better mileage and throttle response.
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Just caught up on the progress. I'm lovin the build. Its kinda sad that the six isn't gonna work out, I love the look of those engines. Keep up the stellar work sir!
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Thanks! I'm still not 100% thrilled about the LSx build, just because the six woulda been so much more unique than the typical V8 build. The LS will be disguised to look old though.



Well, it's bad when you have to dig to find your own build thread! I haven't got any "real" progress done due to the change of plans with the engine situation, and getting the details of that sorted out. I've been posting on LS1tech to get an idea of what I'll need for the engine build, and it looks like it'll be limited to around 7500 rpm unless I almost double the engine budget. I've settled in on using an L33 5.3, destroked with a 4.8 crank, and opened up to LS1 size 3.90" bore. The short stroke will slow the piston speed down so stock rods with ARP bolts will be adequate, and the LS1 bore will open up more piston options while unshrouding the valves. That ends up at 312 CI, so mildly ported stock 799 head castings will flow plenty to make good power on the top end.

Other than planning the engine build, I've also decided to sell the gauge cluster (minus the air gauge). I've found a guy that can build a stock looking 10k rpm tach that'll work with an LS engine, and also print a 140 mph speedo overlay for the gauge lens. I'll wetsand and buff off the stock 100 mph printing and use his reverse printed 140 mph decal on the inside of the lens. I should be able to sell the gauge cluster to cover the cost of the tach and speedo graphics. I've already got a gauge cluster I can restore and add the tach and air gauge to.

I've got about 3-4k worth of parts that I need to sell so I should soon have alot more cash free to dump on the truck and get the progress rolling along better. I've got my eye on a No Limit rack and pinion kit, and it'll need to go in before the engine so that will probably be one of the next big purchases.
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I was looking at the No Limit R&P kit but I gave up on that idea. The No Limit kit requires you to drill a 7/8" hole in the frame for the steering shaft and 2 smaller holes for a centering bracket, so that requires you to get really creative with driver side motor mounts for LS motors. I found that Unisteer makes one that may work better but it's more expensive. I'll be very curious to see how you deal with this.