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The gun I'm using is an HVLP from car quest. It's not bad, it seems to be working well but I guess I may not know how a really good gun is supposed to spray. This one seemed good for me. Should I look into something different?

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Any opinions? Or other options? 20 inch.
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If what you are using is working stick with it. A high level gun may attomize the paint nicer and lay down clear that doesn't need sanding and buffing but unless you have a dust free downdraft heated booth you will be sanding a buffing anyway.

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Wheels are a matter of personal preference. There is no right or wrong choice just what the person paying wants to pay for. As for my preference I love the first one with the darker spokes. They are more period correct for your truck in my opinion. I don't like the big wheel thin tire look at all but then I am an old guy that doesn't get it. The large wheel with thin sidewall was developed for performance ,less sidewall flex while cornering. The trade off is a lousy riding tire that destroys wheels if you hit potholes. Plus I think they look out of place on a classic truck. Again an opinion and what I prefer you should get what you like. These days with the net you can look at hundreds of trucks like yours with different combinations to see what has the look you want before spending money. You don't even have to leave this site.

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I agree with Cape Codder on the thought that your going to need to cut and buff no matter what. I still prefer a gun thats used exclusively for clear.
With the cost of materials these days, especially solvents used to clean a gun the price of a Harbor Freight gun is a bargain. Regardless of your budget, using the same gun to shoot color and clear will eventually bite you. No matter how well you think a gun has been cleaned, theres always a bit of color hiding somewhere.

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The American racing Torque Thrust is a classic wheel that never goes out of style. Right now the gray centers are more popular that the polished. Any 5 spoke wheel like the American Eagle pictured will look great as well.

Regarding size, 20s look fantastic on a mild dropped truck and can be had at a decent price. While searching for styles and sizes. look at cost and availability of tires too. The common misconception is that larger size tires like 20s or 22s are more expensive than smaller sizes. The reality is I can buy 20s or 22s cheaper than I can by 17s or 18s.
As long as you get a decent size sidewall, you want have any issues with ride or rim damage.

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As long as you get a decent size sidewall, you want have any issues with ride or rim damage.

You should see what our new england roads look like after the ground freezes and then the plows tear into them. By spring we have holes I am afraid to drive into with 235/75/15s.
My ex just blew out a wheel and tire on her Miata with stock wheels.

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I have noticed that tire prices can be more expensive for the smaller sizes but the wheel changed drastically with a 20inch rim. But, that's the size of wheel I'm looking for. The tire sizes I'm looking at are 245/45/r20 and 275/45/r20 with a20x8 and a 20x10. Which I have done research and people seem to not have issues with that sidewall and wheel combination. The one concern I do have is the lip on the front fender coming to contact with the tire. I'm no guru on backspacing but Aggie gave me good pointers. 4.75 backspacing in the front followed by 5.75 backspacing in the rear for those gray torque thrust wheels. I read that people put 5 or 5.5 backspacing on the rear but I can't seem to find any torque thrust with that backspacing and wheel size. Aggie mentioned a 3/4 spacer on the rear wheels, should and hopefully will work with the math we did.

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All three of your wheel choices are great for that truck. I agree with Ken, the gray center Torque Thrust would be my choice. I have had the AE 225's, they are great wheels, you can get a better selection of back spacing on them as they are part of AE's custom line now. I had issues getting my set and it took FOREVER to get them. If you go with them, I would do a 5" back space on a 8.5" front wheel and a 5" backspace on the 10" rear wheel. I think a bit taller tire for the rear would look good too, like a 295/40-20, price may become an issue and you could always change the rear size once the first set is worn out...

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Now what makes you think a teenagers rear tires will wear out first?

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I agree. Heres a pic of that combo of tire size I plucked from my Facebook feed

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Hah! At least I haven't messed with the axles yet, only one tire will be spinning.

As for the wheel choice I think I'm sold on the gray Torque Thrusts. 20x8 4.75 BS and 20x10 5.75 BS. The custom shop wheels can get the 5-5.5 BS but man I can't afford the extra $300 per wheel...
Tires (My opinion) : Nitto NT555 G2 245/45/r20 and 295/40/r20.

Question time : So I'm spraying primer right now, and its laying on fine but where I did my badge delete, you can see where my body filler tried to feather into the metal and you can see the "dip" with the light just right on both fenders. Will this block sand out or will I have to dig deeper and get back down to the metal? I sure thought I had it as smooth as possible.
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Edit : I let it dry for about an hour and it leveled out better, the dip is not near as bad but still there.

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LOL, because I have a 19yr old boy...

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I think it will block out, but you might end up taking off most of that coat of primer. Guide coat that area (above the body line, the length of the fender) and work it first. If you end up breaking through that coat of primer, just redo that part of the fender.

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I was able to block it out and put more primer on it.

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While painting it makes me realize how poorly the trucks come out of the factory, spot welds everywhere and runs that I've already sanded out, but it's funny to me how bad some areas are.

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This series of trucks was kind of when trucks were making the transition from work only vehicles to work by day and go to town at night vehicles. Lots of available options and fancy interior offerings. But they were still built with work truck fit and finish. Of course 70's cars were probably some of the worst built cars american factorys ever built.

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Just a quick post because I really like the way this is turning out. Scared for painting the outside of the truck... which is coming up shortly.
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Has anyone used these gauges? Or any info on them? LMC sells them. I just like the way these look compared to Dakota.
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looking good, When painting the outside everyone has their own way but what I do for an overall paint is start the farthest from the fan so you are not pulling overspray over freshly painted surfaces. If the hood is towards the fan start with the back of the cab, then paint the roof I would use a 3ft. ladder and start on one side paint to center then switch sides and paint from center out. Next go back around and paint the door then go around and paint other door ,switch sides again and do the fender and paint that side of the hood, go to other side and paint from center out and then that fender. The Idea is to not let any area dry to long before painting the adjacent panel and not let dry spray pull over wet paint. Just my way others may disagree.

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Guide coat made me feel a lot better about my fenders and doors. I've been busy and unable to work on the truck and kept thinking I had super wavy doors and fenders. Did some blocking and guiding and this is my results the first time around. Sure there are a couple spots but it sure looks better than I kept thinking.
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There you can see that dip on the fender was able to come out

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Looks good. Patience is all it takes to get a good result when doing this step in the build. for a first timer, you are doing a good job. You should be proud of you results.

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Some panels need to be shifted around but this is all I can get done today. I'll get the hood in primer tomorrow then will be close to shooting the truck.

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Awesome progress. Its starting to look like a truck again

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The body work is looking nice. I am dreading getting to that point.

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Thanks guys, means a lot.

So today I took a break from painting. Tired of the fumes... I began working on the bed since I really haven't touched it yet. I put the new fenders on to see how they fit and then I mocked up the roll pan. I do have a brand new rear bumper but I can't find the bumper brackets because they don't make them anymore... so I settled for a roll pan, not my forte but it's all I can do. Then I put the tailgate latches on because I didn't want the chains scratching my new paint. Plus it's a nice touch and they turned out cool. I also put the hood braces on today. Not sure if they work but it's better than nothing I suppose.

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This is the main part I wasn't a fan of in this kit. It sucks I had to drill through my tail gate. They had a backing plate to be used for support with those bolts but it just didn't look right. I won't be throwing big stuff in the bed so I did away with it.
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Looking good!

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Normally I agree with your thoughts on a roll pan. On your stepside bed it actually gives a finished look. I have always hated the way the factory didnt really finish off the stepside bed.

If your concerned about the bolts in the tailgate, consider adding bolts with billet washer. Maybe paint to match, or polish.

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The roll pan does look good. If you decide to go back to the step side bumper, they sell brackets for the 67-72 step sides. The step side bumper is the same from 67 to 87.

I used the 67-72 brackets when I did Sunburn a few years ago. I had to modify the inner bracket to get the bumper to line up correctly, but the outer brackets worked without modification. Look thru that build thread near the end, I am not sure if the pics of the modifications are in there, but that would be the only place. I think I got the brackets from LMC.

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N2trux : I dig that first bolt, I might look into it

Yeah I studied that thread, you mentioned you did the modification but I didn't see any pictures. I probably won't weld in this pan so just in case I don't like it when it's said and done I'll go modify some brackets for the bumper.

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I'm not normally a fan of roll pans either, but I agree that it looks good on the step side.

That tailgate latch kit is really cool too! Looks like it was easy to install and looks like a nice part.

Good job on the build so far!

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Just an option you may not have considered. There are several styles available and can be purchased at Summit.com

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Oh there's always something needing done. It's hard not to get burnt out on this project.

So I got some metal work to do. I plan on capping off the ends of the tailgate so it's smooth wrapping around from front to back. Then figure something out where the latch was on the bed.
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Opinions on my tail light idea? I'm not a good fabricator so I don't know what else to do, and I don't like frenched lights in the pan. I like it this way just curious on what you guys think.
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If those lights are legal I think they are great. It will allow the rear end to stay nice and clean looking.

A thought on the bolt heads for the latch on the tail gate...weld studs to the tail gate. You just need short pieces of all thread. Weld them into the holes and grind it smooth.

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The light situation I've read they're legal if you could see a running light from the side, which I don't have. I might put a light in where the plug in was on each side. Just a small round light.
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I've seen worse where I live. If those guys that smoke their tail lights with black paint don't get pulled over I sure shouldn't...

As for the all thread, I'll probably end up doing one of those billet bolts n2trux referenced. I like your idea though, I still will keep that in mind.

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We used the same light on Sunburn. Only thing I had different was that we had to have a rear facing red reflector on the back of the truck. I had a couple made that we could attach to the license plate for inspection and general daily driving. But when we went to a show, we could take them off to clean up the rear...

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I like that idea. I'll see what I can figure out on a removable reflector.

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Shot some more color today
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I really want a new one of these but I don't want the cheap plastic that it'll be so I polished mine out. Has it's fair share of dings but I think it'll work.
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Looks like you are still moving right along. As far as tailights if you are building a daily driver I would make sure to have 100% legal tail lights with reflectors. If someone hits you it is their fault, but if you don't have legal lighting they have an out. If you are parked with lights off and they hit you they have an excuse for not seeing you without the reflectors. As far as small round marker lamps Crysler products had some nice ones in the late 60's that would work.

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Those could definitely work, they'd be really close to fitting in one of those holes already in the bed.

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So I went a wheel store today and found out every wheel I had in mind was backordered for months! They reccomended these Ridlers to me and I do like them. Lots cheaper than any wheel I was wanting and they look pretty decent. Going back up today to finalize the purchase of 255/45/r20 and 295/40/r20 Nitto G2 tires with 20x8 and 20x9.5 wheels.

I went with the center wheels, grey centers with the brushed chrome lip.
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This guy had a great day!
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