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Kronald_70GMC 03-09-2024 10:30 PM

Re: Sullii the 72 GMC 1500
 
Great looking truck! Loving this build.:metal:

PowerdbyChevy79 03-14-2024 09:27 PM

Re: Sullii the 72 GMC 1500
 
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Originally Posted by hewittca (Post 9293766)
With the tires mounted the only thing left to do was put them back on the truck. I may have mentioned already, but on the front I have to run a 1/4" spacer since the wheel hits the tierod arm. This was an easier solution instead of cutting these wheels up to reduce the backspace by one quarter inch. On the rear, it's a bit of a process to get the wheels on. I have to put the rear end on jackstands, then jack up the frame on one side to articulate the rear suspension, and then squeeze the tire inside the fender. I was worried I added too much backspacing to the wheel, but after installing them I am glad I went with 5.25". Another 1/4" less backspace and it would not have fit! With the shorter tires, I also had to double the height of my blocks that I use for getting the jack under the truck. Here it is after lowering it down for the first time.

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The rear fitment is exactly what I was hoping for. It's very aggressive but it fits without rubbing after all the clearancing work I did at an earlier stage.

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The front is close to where I want it, but it still needs some work. I had to remove 1/8" of camber shims to tuck the wheels in more because they were too close to the fenders. Even after this, my turning radius isn't very good. My limiter is tire rub on the outer fender. If I could narrow the control arms about 1/2" I think it would be perfect. For now, I will just have to be cognizant that anything resembling parking is going to take a wide arc or two attempts.

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Ground clearance has been reduced by 1" compared to where I was with the other tires. It is almost to the point of "stupid low", however, it is still higher than my R32 and I never have any issues driving that car. I realize I have crippled this trucks ability to do anything other than cruising around, but I knew that going in. I wanted to get the truck as low as I could static, and I think this is the absolute limit within my means. My goal was gringoloco levels of low. His photo of a can in front of his bumper was my reference for what low is :lol: He still has me beat by about 1/2" but I can live with that.

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Out on the road, I can definitely tell I have shorter sidewalls. The tires translate more road content, but in a good way. The ride is still very comfortable. I did not have any tire rub issues while driving with my other tires, and this remains the same with the new tires. Steering feels about the same. I was very happy with everything... until I hit 55 mph. Then the whole front of the truck got a case of the shimmies. If I went +/- 5 mph beyond 55 the shimmy went away. It was not tied to engine load since I could drop it in neutral and it would make no change to the shake.

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After this first ride I was a bit disheartened because these wheels/tires were fresh off the balancer. My intention at this point is to put the original front wheels back on and see if the shake goes away. If so, I will promptly pay a visit to the tire shop and demand in the nicest way possible that they recheck the balance of my tires. It will be a few days before I can get to this, so for now I stuck the caps on and will just enjoy looking at the truck.

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The stance on this truck is perfect.. What crazy is that its static... Love it!

YBNORML 03-27-2024 12:45 AM

Re: Sullii the 72 GMC 1500
 
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Originally Posted by hewittca (Post 9294541)
Thanks you guys!

gringoloco, I will definitely look into those wheel tubs. No inners is creating a mess under my hood.

cornerstone, you are too nice!

Here's a little before and after now that I am 3 years and 10 pages into this build. When I first got the truck I hated the white letter tires. Well look at me now. I guess grandpa was right!

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Looks perfect. Those Coopers with 295’s sure take me back to high school. Same tire setup i ran on my 67’ longbed.

raggedjim 04-01-2024 09:23 PM

Re: Sullii the 72 GMC 1500
 
If you feel like working at it Frizzle Fry has a great thread on inner fender modification

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hewittca 04-02-2024 08:05 AM

Re: Sullii the 72 GMC 1500
 
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Originally Posted by raggedjim (Post 9301002)
If you feel like working at it Frizzle Fry has a great thread on inner fender modification

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I have read through that thread before and gathered many ideas. The inner fenders are definitely something I'd like to build if I can find the patience!

hewittca 04-02-2024 08:33 AM

Re: Sullii the 72 GMC 1500
 
Over the last few weeks I've gone through a number of tests to try and determine where this vibration is coming from. First I started with my original 15x6 wheels/tires on the front with the 15x10s on the rear. Same vibration, so I redirected attention to the rear tires/wheels.

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Next, I ran the new 15x8 245/60 setup on the front with the original 15x6 on the rear. It looks goofy, but the truck ran smooth without the 15x10s on it. With the 15x8s on the front the steering has a weird point where it feels like the tires grab more and turn in if I hit any kind of bump in the road. For the current experiment, this is an aside and something I will think about later.

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Last test was to run the original 15x6 on the front with the 15x8 and 245/60 on the rear. This configuration gave me a very slight wobble/vibration at the same RPM as the 15x10 295/50 combo. At this point I was really fed up with these tires. It was also at this point that my daughter figured out she could turn the garage into a skating rink! This was a good reminder to look at the positives.

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One thing that concerned me was the insane amount of weights they had to add to my 15x10s to get them balanced. They had 6 oz of stick on weights on one side and 2.5 oz on the other. This, combined with my tests, got me thinking that I may have screwed up these wheels when I changed the backspace. I rechecked the runout and got 0.034" radially and 0.055" laterally. From what I can find this is still within the upper limits of spec, but it's still more than my original 15x6 wheel which was less than 0.030" in both measurements.

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I also measured runout on the tires which was about 0.060". Again, the tire shop told me the runout was within spec when they checked it. After all this investigation, I decided I needed to abandon this setup for now and go back to what I know was working. Problem was, I now had these Cooper tires that I didn't want anymore and I didn't feel right selling them to someone else when I knew they might be out of spec. Luckily, I purchased these from Summit and they were more than willing to honor Coopers 45 day satisfaction guarantee exchange policy. All I had to do was send these tires back and they would let me exchange them for another tire within Cooper's catalogue. So, the truck went up on stands for a few weeks while I waited on new tires.

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zicc1835 04-02-2024 09:05 AM

Re: Sullii the 72 GMC 1500
 
Interesting calculations and diagnosis and will be waiting-patiently for the next update good news with the Summit return����

hewittca 04-02-2024 08:47 PM

Re: Sullii the 72 GMC 1500
 
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Originally Posted by zicc1835 (Post 9301083)
Interesting calculations and diagnosis and will be waiting-patiently for the next update good news with the Summit return����

You don't have to wait long, update incoming...

hewittca 04-02-2024 09:21 PM

Re: Sullii the 72 GMC 1500
 
Fast forward after two weeks of waiting for my replacement tires. I'm not complaining though. Summit took the old tires back no questions asked, paid for shipping both ways, and refunded me the cost difference between the new and old tires. Can't beat that. The only catch was I had to get Coopers to replace the old set. They do not have many options left that fit 15" wheels these days, so I had to go with a tried and true setup: 225/70 fronts and 275/60 rears. I have now had 275/60s on the rear of all my vehicles. You'd think I would know by now that this size is what I like.

I was able to get these tires mounted up by the shop that mounted my last set the same day they were delivered. The 225/70 replaces the 215/75 Hankook that I had on the front originally. The new tire is a bit shorter and wider than the 215/75. The 275/60 on the rear is much wider and a little shorter than the 235/75 I had on the rear originally. This new rear tire fills out the wheel well much better and doesn't look stretched like the 235/75 did.

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Seeing the truck back on the ground was like seeing it come together for the first time again. The white letter tires were fun to try, but ultimately this wheel/tire setup is much more my style. After seeing the truck with this setup I'm not sure I even want to revisit the 15x10s again. For now, I will keep them in the corner until I run this setup for a while and then make a decision.

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All that was left at this point was to finish it off with some caps and go for a test drive. Overall, the truck felt significantly better with this new setup. The vibration at 2300 RPM was gone and the weird grabby steering issue was resolved. I should make note that going back to these wheels allowed me to go back to my original camber adjustment. The other tires forced me to remove 1/8" of shim and add 2 degrees of camber. It was also nice to have my steering radius back. It is a much more pleasant driving experience with this setup and with everything working properly. The truck just floats down the road so smoothly now and requires very little correctional steering input. It took me quite a bit of experimentation to get here, but I think it was worth it now that I know what does and doesn't work. I think for now I will focus on driving the truck and enjoying it while it is in such a fine tuned state.

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zicc1835 04-02-2024 09:54 PM

Re: Sullii the 72 GMC 1500
 
love the stance looks great

lolife99 04-03-2024 05:22 PM

Re: Sullii the 72 GMC 1500
 
Perfect!!!

hewittca 04-07-2024 04:27 PM

Re: Sullii the 72 GMC 1500
 
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Originally Posted by lolife99 (Post 9301364)
Perfect!!!

Thanks!

New page, new problems.

While the truck was on stands waiting on tires, I discovered two things that need immediate attention. First was a coolant leak that was coming from a crack in my block. I never noticed this spot while I was doing the swap, and I've never noticed any coolant on the ground. It appears the leak was slow enough that the coolant evaporated before it dripped. At first I was thinking the worst and that I would need to replace the block, but after reviewing old photos I realized the block has been cracked for quite a while.

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I figured if I've been driving it like this the whole time I've had it then it was worth trying something to stop the leak. I decided to add some GM coolant tablets into the radiator and after several heat cycles my leak was gone! I'm not sure how permanent this solution is but I plan to run it and see if this issue ever resurfaces.

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The second issue was my idler pulley. The outer lip of the pulley had cracked off and the grooves were starting to cut into my belt. Then I realized I made a bonehead mistake. I was supposed to use a smooth idler pulley for the backside of the belt. I'm not sure how I missed this, but at least I caught it before my belt snapped!

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At first I tried a 5.3 truck pulley, but it required spacers and the diameter was too large. Next I tried a 5.7 Camaro pulley and this was the correct one.

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One last aside is a correction to my bed alignment. I thought that my bed didn't look quite right, especially when viewed from the side.

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After running a stringline I realized how far off it was.

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I took some measurements and added the correct amount of spacers under each mounting point and was able to get things much closer.

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Bed misalignment is one thing that always jumps out at me when I see a truck, so I'm glad to have this resolved.

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hewittca 04-07-2024 04:55 PM

Re: Sullii the 72 GMC 1500
 
Now that I have those issues squared away, it's time to enjoy the truck a bit! I discovered that there is a truck show next weekend called C10 Resurrection that isn't too far from my house. They are doing what they call a photo poker run where you take photos of your truck at landmarks around town for a chance to win a prize at the show. I don't care too much about the prizes but I definitely wanted to take the opportunity to ride around in my truck. My kids tagged along for the ride. First we hit the carwash and then we were off to Lexington.

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They have a list of locations that qualify for the drawing. Of course, since Lexington NC is known for barbeque you have to hit a BBQ restaurant.

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There were a total of four locations in Lexington that we needed to hit.

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There were also two locations a few towns over in Spencer NC.

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We had time to hit 6 out of the 9 locations. It made for a fun morning driving the truck, hanging out with the kids, and taking some cool photos!

hewittca 04-07-2024 08:53 PM

Re: Sullii the 72 GMC 1500
 
It was such a beautiful day today and the lighting was perfect so I decided to pull the truck out into our field and get a few shots of it "in the weeds".

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It was fun seeing the truck hiding in the grass, so I left it out until evening. When it was time to pull it inside I was rewarded with the setting sun casting the perfect glow on the truck. Photos like these are the ones I love revisiting after years gone by and I'm several builds later. Keeping that in mind, I'm trying to remember to enjoy this truck while I have it!

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hewittca 05-10-2024 09:01 PM

Re: Sullii the 72 GMC 1500
 
I'm just catching up here with some photos from the last month. I've been driving the truck quite a bit and just trying to enjoy it. I even drove it to work every day one week. I want to put as many miles on it while the weather is still tolerable. I also made a successful trip to the C10 Resurrection. It was the first year for the show and they had 250 trucks show up. Not too bad for a small town show in Lexington NC. I only managed to get two photos of the truck. One before heading out to the show, and one arriving. My friend came with me and after about two hours we left and headed back to his place to work on his truck with some newfound motivation. Ultimately, we ended up bringing his chassis back to my house so he has room at his place to start body work. He helped me so much with my truck and now we are making some serious progress on his truck.

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The only issue I've had with the truck lately is a dead starter. At first I thought it was the battery so I tried jumping it with my Tacoma, but still no luck. Then I tried rolling the truck down the driveway and dumping the clutch and it fired right up. At this point I was highly confident it was the starter. Easy enough to swap. It took longer to go get the starter than it did to swap it out. I'm thinking the old one died because it was worn out because I don't think my exhaust is too close. We'll see how long this new one lasts. The starter was indeed the issue. Back to cruisin!

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Here's a few more random shots of the truck. All out and about near home and work. The kids hop into a photo every now and then. They are usually with me since they enjoy riding in the truck just about as much as I enjoy driving it.

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I've also been trying to improve my photo taking skills, at least as much as I can given I'm still just using my phone! My biggest mistake is I've been using the native 26 mm focal length of the lens which allows you to get really close to the truck and still fit it in the frame. This gives it a distorted perspective that exaggerates the size of parts that are closer to the camera. It makes for an interesting photo sometimes, but it doesn't faithfully represent the dimensions of the truck.

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A more natural focal length for automotive photography is around 35-40mm. Unfortunately you cannot change this on my phone. You can, however, mimic it by changing the zoom to 1.5x. This forces you to take several steps back to fit the whole truck in the shot. The tradeoff is you reduce photo quality slightly, but the truck looks much more proportionately correct.

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My tentative plan for the truck this year is to drive it until the weather is unbearable. Then I will most likely park it until the weather cools off just in time for the next C10 Fall Revival. After that, I will probably be ready to start working on the interior. That's it for now.


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