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CKfan 09-25-2023 03:29 PM

went cheap on the door seals
 
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Was ordering something from LMC and decided to also buy some door seals while I was at it. I usually use a different vendor but was trying to save on shipping. Figured they are probably all being made in the same place anyway.

Ever door seal I have done has either been exactly end to end in fitment or I had to trim a little off.

LMC did the trimming for me...... about an inch and a quarter short on both sides!
Always something (unless I find more openings grew):waah:
Being "thrifty" rarely pays off for me

LockDoc 09-25-2023 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CKfan (Post 9244466)
Was ordering something from LMC and decided to also buy some door seals while I was at it. I usually use a different vendor but was trying to save on shipping. Figured they are probably all being made in the same place anyway.

Ever door seal I have done has either been exactly end to end in fitment or I had to trim a little off.

LMC did the trimming for me...... about an inch and a quarter short on both sides!
Always something (unless I find more openings grew):waah:
Being "thrifty" rarely pays off for me


Read this thread:

https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=821404

And this one:

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=741910

They fit and work great....

LockDoc

CKfan 09-25-2023 03:56 PM

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Thanks LocDoc, I have read those before.
Just kicking myself for being cheap. I would re-read them but it won't make mine grow:lol:

LockDoc 09-25-2023 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CKfan (Post 9244473)
Thanks LocDoc, I have read those before.
Just kicking myself for being cheap. I would re-read them but it won't make mine grow:lol:


I got a pair of the Honda seals at the local salvage yard for $13.50 and it took me all of 5 minutes to install them. That's pretty cheap..... :)

LockDoc

jumpsoffrock 09-25-2023 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LockDoc (Post 9244476)
I got a pair of the Honda seals at the local salvage yard for $13.50 and it took me all of 5 minutes to install them. That's pretty cheap..... :)

LockDoc

My town has one "pick your part" and I go every month or so, I'd be lucky to see one 06-11 civic coupe every 6 months and (yes I'm counting) so far 1 out of 4 have had a sorta-usable set(one small tear), the other 3 were in shreds.

I'll always be on the lookout.

MikeB 09-25-2023 09:58 PM

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Precision brand push-on seals are the only way to go, IMO. Get them from GMC Paul's or Summit Racing.

If your rocker panels have been replaced, the Honda seals may let the doors close easier, but they don't look very nice unless you trim them. Again, IMO.

57taskforce 09-25-2023 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeB (Post 9244604)
Precision brand push-on seals are the only way to go, IMO. Get them from GMC Paul's or Summit Racing.

If your rocker panels have been replaced, the Honda seals may let the doors close easier, but they don't look very nice unless you trim them. Again, IMO.

This!!!! They will be a little tight at first but once they break in they work really really well, and are easy to remove when necessary.

MikeB 09-25-2023 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 57taskforce (Post 9244611)
This!!!! They will be a little tight at first but once they break in they work really really well, and are easy to remove when necessary.

Yes. Glue-on seals absolutely suck Ford exhaust!

CKfan 09-26-2023 12:11 AM

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Thanks for the replies.
I will be going with Precision as I should have done in the 1st place. I last used them after seeing a review by Stout Customs a couple years ago. They do fit very well.
I at least hope my LMC review will help someone else.

1970 CST Short Wide 09-26-2023 12:47 AM

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LMC has been Bad lately. I ordered inside door handles awhile back and the Spindles didn’t match. Everything is made in Taiwan

MidLifer 09-26-2023 02:09 PM

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+1 on the Honda seals. Made my doors close like a new truck. Threw the Taiwanese set in the trash and never looked back.

MikeB 09-27-2023 10:18 AM

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As for Taiwanese parts, I typically find they are better than Chinese communist parts. But I'm talking about hard parts, like hood hinges.

Had a vendor (H&H) tell me several years ago that he stopped selling window regulators (55-57 Chevy, as I recall) because he got so many returns. Apparently there was only one manufacturer for a while, and they were Chinese. He finally started getting good quality versions from Taiwan.

I think a lot of the good stuff has clear packaging like GM uses (or used to use), with the name "Counterparts" in blue. However, I just read an old thread where GMC Paul's said that brand ranges from very good to bad.

MidLifer 09-27-2023 10:31 AM

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I've used plenty of good stuff from both Chinas, but the Honda door seals (which may also be made in China, who knows) work better on our trucks than anything else.

For my 1950 3100 I used Soffseal door seals and they are great. Steele's also makes good ones for AD trucks, don't know if they have it for 67-72 trucks or not. No idea where either of them are produced.

I miss my 71 C10....but it won't be the last 67-72 for me...

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Originally Posted by MikeB (Post 9245115)
As for Taiwanese parts, I typically find they ae better than Chinese communist parts. But I'm talking about hard parts, like hood hinges.

Had a vendor (H&H) tell me several years ago that he stopped selling window regulators (55-57 Chevy, as I recall) because he got so many returns. Apparently there was only one manufacturer for a while, and they were Chinese. He finally started getting good quality versions from Taiwan.

I think a lot of the good stuff has clear packaging like GM uses (or used to use), with the name "Counterparts" in blue. However, I just read an old thread where GMC Paul's said that brand ranges from very good to bad.


jumpsoffrock 09-27-2023 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MidLifer (Post 9245123)
I've used plenty of good stuff from both Chinas, but the Honda door seals (which may also be made in China, who knows) work better on our trucks than anything else.

For my 1950 3100 I used Soffseal door seals and they are great. Steele's also makes good ones for AD trucks, don't know if they have it for 67-72 trucks or not. No idea where either of them are produced.

I miss my 71 C10....but it won't be the last 67-72 for me...

Somebody on here insisted that Steele uses precision seals for our trucks, and they were sure about it.

dmjlambert 09-27-2023 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CKfan (Post 9244466)
Was ordering something from LMC and decided to also buy some door seals while I was at it. I usually use a different vendor but was trying to save on shipping. Figured they are probably all being made in the same place anyway.

Ever door seal I have done has either been exactly end to end in fitment or I had to trim a little off.

LMC did the trimming for me...... about an inch and a quarter short on both sides!
Always something (unless I find more openings grew):waah:
Being "thrifty" rarely pays off for me

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this, here goes. I got some more expensive seals and installed and came up with the same gap. Then I read in a post here on the forum it matters how you install, because as you go around the door frame and push the seal on, there is an opportunity to bunch or stretch the rubber by an almost imperceptible amount. Then when you get to the point where the 2 ends meet you either have too much or not enough. I took mine loose, and just to see how it would turn out, I barely pulled as I put it on, and sure enough I had an extra 4 or 5 inches that I could have cut off. I look it loose again and with some "precision" installation trial and error, the 2 ends met perfectly. I suspect yours will meet perfectly and work fine if you install it with this in mind.

jumpsoffrock 09-27-2023 11:17 PM

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^^^Very insightful experience and advice. Would never have thought of that.

CKfan 09-27-2023 11:21 PM

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I put them on and off mmmmmm.... around 15 times trying to stretch them like a 70's stretch arm strong toy. Got them to just barely meet and then fought with the door not closing which started another can of worms.., Finally got driver's door to close decent but the P/S side is crazy hard to shut.

Both doors were pre-fit and sweetly I must add, after body work and prior to paint but I failed to pre-test new rubber (big mistake I have re-lived). Tried some lube on the rubber face last night slammed the door and let set over night. Checked this morning and the rubber had shrunk back to around a 1 inch gap (its memory as they say) and the fit still sucks.

Being a seasoned citizen and having done this a time or three, I can say it is as frustrating as usual. But I only have myself to blame for failing to pre-fit before paint.

CKfan 09-27-2023 11:23 PM

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P.S. I dare you to try and stretch the LMC ones, you will get a work out and no more length.

These are the press on type (no glue). The interior side rubber is hard and not really flexible like the door face, which is very flexible.

Joyridin 09-28-2023 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CKfan (Post 9245372)
P.S. I dare you to try and stretch the LMC ones, you will get a work out and no more length.

These are the press on type (no glue). The interior side rubber is hard and not really flexible like the door face, which is very flexible.

What is amazing is the Honda seals are 1 piece designs and not matter how you install them, they seem to fit perfectly. I think it took a whopping 5-10 minutes a side on the seals to install.

MikeB 09-28-2023 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Joyridin (Post 9245413)
What is amazing is the Honda seals are 1 piece designs and not matter how you install them, they seem to fit perfectly. I think it took a whopping 5-10 minutes a side on the seals to install.

Did you leave the outer flap (for lack of better word) or trim it off? Are the seals grey? Photos?

My Precision seals are great, however it takes too much effort the close the doors. The problem is at the front of both rocker panels which were replaced years ago. There's a video out there somewhere with a guy bending back the tops of the panels and test-fitting the seals before paint, a luxury I don't have. But I'm not averse to removing the doors, doing the work and doing any touch-up paint as necessary.

Joyridin 09-28-2023 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeB (Post 9245444)
Did you leave the outer flap (for lack of better word) or trim it off? Are the seals grey? Photos?

My Precision seals are great, however it takes too much effort the close the doors. The problem is at the front of both rocker panels which were replaced years ago. There's a video out there somewhere with a guy bending back the tops of the panels and test-fitting the seals before paint, a luxury I don't have. But I'm not averse to removing the doors, doing the work and doing any touch-up paint as necessary.

I did not do any modification to the seals. I read the post on removing the flap, but I didn't see an issue. The seals look black to me. Maybe not tire black, but definitely not gray.

I can pop the seals off in 1 minute, and have them back on in 5-10. I opened both packages and removed the seals originally. I installed the PS on the DS. It looked a bit weird before I realize what I had done. Whipped it off, installed it on the PS and all is good. I bought them from a Honda dealership online.

Oh...I should mention my truck is nowhere near stock, so if you are in restoration mode instead of modification mode, the flap, color, and design might not be exactly what you are looking for in the Honda gaskets.

MikeB 09-28-2023 11:42 AM

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Did you buy the Honda seals new?

leddzepp 09-28-2023 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LockDoc (Post 9244476)
I got a pair of the Honda seals at the local salvage yard for $13.50 and it took me all of 5 minutes to install them. That's pretty cheap..... :)

LockDoc

Same here. I’ve used them on three different trucks, best fitting seals and I’ve tried a lot of different ones.

Joyridin 09-28-2023 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeB (Post 9245460)
Did you buy the Honda seals new?

Yes. I bought them off David McDavid Honda dealer online. They were $142 including shipping for the pair.

CKfan 09-29-2023 11:30 AM

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Some have suggested buying the Honda rubber so I checked a couple of the sites listed either "no longer available" or out of stock or don't ship.

Called a couple not so local wrecking yards, said you have to come check yourself and/or we don't have inventory records. As fun as driving wrecking yard to wrecking yard which are few and far between here and have no "inventory records" which means you go on a prayer, at $6 a gallon I'll pass.

Local Honda dealer, Oxnard DCH Honda parts dept. want $125 "each" for black the 2dr door seals. That is pricey!
Part #72315 SVAA01 ZA Right side
Part #72355 SVAA01 ZA Left side


Hondapartshub.com (does ship)
Product Description Price Quantity Total
Seal, R Front Door Opening *NH167L* (Graphite Black)
Seal, R Front Door Opening *NH167L* (Graphite Black)
Product ID: 72315-SVA-A01ZA
$59.08 Quantity $59.08

Seal, L Front Door Opening *NH167L* (Graphite Black)
Seal, L Front Door Opening *NH167L* (Graphite Black)
Product ID: 72355-SVA-A01ZA

$59.08 Quantity $59.08

Subtotal Amount: $118.16 with shipping $135

Thanks to the info from others I have a set ordered.........reluctantly.

Joyridin 09-29-2023 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CKfan (Post 9245789)
Some have suggested buying the Honda rubber so I checked a couple of the sites listed either "no longer available" or out of stock or don't ship.

Called a couple not so local wrecking yards, said you have to come check yourself and/or we don't have inventory records. As fun as driving wrecking yard to wrecking yard which are few and far between here and have no "inventory records" which means you go on a prayer, at $6 a gallon I'll pass.

Local Honda dealer, Oxnard DCH Honda parts dept. want $125 "each" for black the 2dr door seals. That is pricey!
Part #72315 SVAA01 ZA Right side
Part #72355 SVAA01 ZA Left side


Hondapartshub.com (does ship)
Product Description Price Quantity Total
Seal, R Front Door Opening *NH167L* (Graphite Black)
Seal, R Front Door Opening *NH167L* (Graphite Black)
Product ID: 72315-SVA-A01ZA
$59.08 Quantity $59.08

Seal, L Front Door Opening *NH167L* (Graphite Black)
Seal, L Front Door Opening *NH167L* (Graphite Black)
Product ID: 72355-SVA-A01ZA

$59.08 Quantity $59.08

Subtotal Amount: $118.16 with shipping $135

Thanks to the info from others I have a set ordered.........reluctantly.

I got mine from Hondapartshub.com, which is David McDavid Honda.

CKfan 09-29-2023 01:18 PM

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Same here, as noted above

Richard 10-04-2023 02:33 AM

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Have pair of these in route. Thank you for the link. The Precision push on door seals have been on truck for more than a year and still require slamming the door. Hope these will fix the issue.

desert-rat 10-04-2023 03:38 AM

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So what year civics are we talking about? '06-'11 coupe?

desert-rat 10-04-2023 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jumpsoffrock (Post 9244481)
My town has one "pick your part" and I go every month or so, I'd be lucky to see one 06-11 civic coupe every 6 months and (yes I'm counting) so far 1 out of 4 have had a sorta-usable set(one small tear), the other 3 were in shreds.

I'll always be on the lookout.

You must not be in so-cal to only have one salvage yard. There's like a dozen around me here. Some you pull, some they'll pull.

Richard 10-04-2023 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by desert-rat (Post 9247555)
You must not be in so-cal to only have one salvage yard. There's like a dozen around me here. Some you pull, some they'll pull.

There are a few not to far from me. I have not visited in years and do not bother. The piranha's strip anything worth while before I can get to them. My brother in another state visits yards near him and I can get parts I need for 1/4 the price, including shipping to me.

cericd 10-04-2023 12:08 PM

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Are these Civic seals from a 2-door or 4-door model?

leddzepp 10-04-2023 02:38 PM

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2 door.

jumpsoffrock 10-04-2023 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by desert-rat (Post 9247555)
You must not be in so-cal to only have one salvage yard. There's like a dozen around me here. Some you pull, some they'll pull.

No I'm not, We had three self-serve in 2010, two by 2012, and one afterwards. I love going to Ontario; back 7-10 years ago I had made an effort to visit about 6 of the yards spread through LA.

Richard 10-07-2023 02:01 AM

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The new Honda seals arrived today. Was anxious to see how they fit. I peeled the Precision press on seal off the drivers door and threw the new seal on. I spent quite a bit of time adjusting the door and the pinch weld mounting point for the Precision seals and still had to slam the doors. Door closes real easy now. I think the Honda seals may be a bit loose the way my door is adjusted. Should be easy to tighten them up a bit.

loudchevy 10-10-2023 10:55 AM

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I just got my Honda door seals in the mail yesterday and threw one of them on and it fits perfect. I don't have any experience with the LMC or Precision, but the Honda seal installed in less than a min.

MikeB 10-10-2023 11:36 AM

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Please post photos of the Honda seals installed. The used ones I tried had a "flap", for lack of a better word, that was unsightly to say the least.

Also, the Precision push-on seals should be installed a little long. In other words, a little more length than it looks like you need. Just bunch them up a bit as mentioned above. And pay special attention to all four corners to make sure they are snug.

If you stretch them tight and cut them perfectly, they WILL eventually "grow" a gap at the bottom.

loudchevy 10-10-2023 01:48 PM

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Please post photos of the Honda seals installed. The used ones I tried had a "flap", for lack of a better word, that was unsightly to say the least.

I assume you're asking for a pic from inside the cab. I already pulled the one off that I installed and didn't take any pics from the inside. Here are a couple pics of the outside. Maybe someone else can posted the inside or I can get an inside pic in the coming days when I work on the drivers side door.

CKfan 10-12-2023 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeB (Post 9249139)
Please post photos of the Honda seals installed. The used ones I tried had a "flap", for lack of a better word, that was unsightly to say the least.

Also, the Precision push-on seals should be installed a little long. In other words, a little more length than it looks like you need. Just bunch them up a bit as mentioned above. And pay special attention to all four corners to make sure they are snug.

If you stretch them tight and cut them perfectly, they WILL eventually "grow" a gap at the bottom.

Just got back from a trip and the Honda seals were waiting in a box. Unpacked and will leave out a while so they can un-crumple.

The "flap" on the them doesn't seem to be much bigger than the corners on the LMC ones (IMO)

MikeB 10-13-2023 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CKfan (Post 9249874)
Just got back from a trip and the Honda seals were waiting in a box. Unpacked and will leave out a while so they can un-crumple.

The "flap" on the them doesn't seem to be much bigger than the corners on the LMC ones (IMO)

Maybe a pair of those is in my future. Much nicer looking than the junkyard pair I tried.


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