Daddyjeep Hauler - 85 K30 crew cab short bed
So I finally drug the truck into the shop so I can get started on this project. I picked up this truck about a month ago and it is in need of a little love. It hasn't been registered since 2003 so I'm going to have to go through everything. I'm going to cut it down to a short bed and eventually drop in a 6.0. For now I have to focus on the short bed conversion and replacing the rockers and front floors. I go to the Bantam Jeep Heritage Festival every year with my YJ so I need the truck functioning by June to use it to drag the Jeep there. Lots to do. :)
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Cool rig and sounds like a good plan. Going to keep it a dually or go single rear wheel? What's the specs on the truck? June will be here before you know it!!! Looks like a nice shop to work in.
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You are right MTCK, I need to put my signature together. It is a 454, auto, D60/D70, A/C, power everything. The interior is really clean aside from the rust. I plan on single rear wheel. Yes, I am spoiled with my shop. The lady we bought the house from said nobody wanted the place because of the 40×80 shop. I agreed and asked her to drop the price. :)
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So I finally messed with the truck and little tonight. I took the two, yes two, bolts that held on the fifth wheel hitch on out so I could yank it out of the bed. I can't believe someone hauled trailers with two 1/2 inch bolts. I also investigated things a little and got a pic of this.
[IMG]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...2_211053_1.jpg[/IMG] The bed is really nice for this part of the country. Just look at that floor. [IMG]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...202_211153.jpg[/IMG] Here she is in all her rusty glory. Hopefully I can make some steady progress now. [IMG]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...1214_001_1.jpg[/IMG] I tried unbolting the bed mounting bolts and to my surprise they actually turned...for a little while. The head started turning in the bed. On to plan B. What is the best method to remove them? I was thinking drilling out the heads would probably be the easiest. |
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Will you be finding new axles or using single wheels in dually offset?
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Ive got a crew short bed I built for hauling my jeeps too. Im running an 8.1/4l80e combo though.
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somehow I screwed up and move the original pic of the Jeep so here is another.
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The donor trucks will be IFS so unless you're going 2WD you'd need more. |
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I haven't measured anything yet, but it was my understanding that the dually rear axle is 4" narrower than the front. I'll know more when I get things torn apart...hopefully this weekend.
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I thought I had read of folks using H1 rims with squally axles since they have a ton of back spacing.
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So obviously I got the bed bolts out. I even got the bed off after that. [IMG]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...206_153324.jpg[/IMG] I then started fighting with the rusty hitch and bumper bolts. Luckily all but three of the bolts broke. Those last three took a 3' cheater all the way off. Before [IMG]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...206_153345.jpg[/IMG] After [IMG]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...206_213040.jpg[/IMG] I removed all of the unnecessary brackets and started wire wheeling the frame. To my surprise, the frame has very little pitting under the scale. [IMG]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...207_135448.jpg[/IMG] close up of the frame. [IMG]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...207_135454.jpg[/IMG] Here is what has been taken off, including about a 20 pound pile of rust. [IMG]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...207_135501.jpg[/IMG] |
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Ive got an m38, and 3a. M38 is heavily modded, and the 3a just has a granny tranny and lift.
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I might be interested in the section of frame you cut out if you want to part with it
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Ok how much are you cutting out and what type cut are you going with (the front section)
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I'm going to do the "z" cut I guess it's called.
I-----,___I. Kinda like that. 14" |
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I like the z cut to I I was asking I wasn't sure on how much you had to cut out to do a short bed I just know I you had to cut some out of the middle and some off the very end thanks
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From what I understand, 14" in the middle and 6" in the back.
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I done a Google search and found a YouTube video of a guy cutting a 83 crew cab down its a three part video you might want to check out he explains some issues he found while getting ready to cut the front doing a z cut and he only cut 3 and 1/2 inches of the end of the frame he done a pretty good job on it loos good might check it out might get some helpful tip
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14" is correct. I have cut several, and while I can agree that the "Z" cut is arguably better, I have always done a straight square cut, and fishplate on the inside of the frame rail. I have never had issues with any of them being fatigue points or anything else. its much easier to make a precise straight cut (at least for me), due to the location of the forward spring hanger and trying to fit a saw in there to cut exactly where I want.
I always make my cut about an inch or so behind the front bed mount holes. IIRC you can measure it out pretty close to where the rear gas tank mount holes will not interfere with the splice, but its pretty close. I think on my last one the gas tank holes were very close to the splice. I think I usually only take 4" or so off of the rear, or you can not the bed lip and leave the frame rails sticking out for more bumper mount material. |
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The more reading I do, the more I am thinking about a 45 cut. I watched the videos mentioned above and read a few other threads and don't see huge benefits of doing the "Z" cut. Can anyone argue differently? I should be cutting this weekend.
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I've weld frames in all three z/45/ and straight cuts and never had a problem with any of them I just prefer to use the z and if it's not possible to use a z I like a 45 and I only use a straight as a last option if room or the frame shape dose not make it possible I actually went and looked at a truck for the cab and it was a wrecker at one time and it was cut straight with no fish plates (which I don't recommend) the only extra support was piece3x3 1/4wall squad tube welded to the top rail for the wrecker bed to clear the step up in the frame it was a 89 crewcab that was a wrecker scene 91 and the truck was just parked about 5 years ago when the bed was put on a 4x4 truck with all that being said as long as you clean good and get good penetrating weld and plate the inside with a fish plate I don't ever see you haven a problem
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I fired up the coal stove and the wood stove in the shop on Saturday and spent the day cutting up my truck. Since it was 0 degrees with a 20 mph wind I had no intentions of doing anything outside. I ended up going with the 45 cut starting 3" behind the front bed mount hole in the frame. I guess the pic is from 1" behind the hole, but by moving back to 3" I had more room to cut at the bottom without as much interference from the cab.
[IMG]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...212_225146.jpg[/IMG] No turning back now. [IMG]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...213_181044.jpg[/IMG] One side burned mostly in, the other just has a few good tacks. I ran out of welding wire so this is where I stopped. I still need to cut up some 3/16" for fish plates and burn everything in. [IMG]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...213_203043.jpg[/IMG] Before [IMG]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...206_213109.jpg[/IMG] After [IMG]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...213_203141.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...213_203203.jpg[/IMG] |
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Oh yea...Shop Tip of the Day....notice the scissor Jack under the frame. If you don't have a couple of these around the shop you should go get some. They are perfect for aligning the frame and many other things. The ones with a hex bolt on the end are better because you can use the impact.
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Looks good I'm still interested in the pieces you cut out
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I got some more wire and at least finished welding the seams while I waited for a buddy to shown up last night. I'm going to Motorama tomorrow so I probably won't get a whole lot done this weekend.
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Hey JW76, I can't send you a PM because your box is full. Send me a message when you get it cleaned up. :)
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wow, two weekends in a row where I didn't get much done. I shot pool in three different towns this weekend so no time in the shop. I did at least get some grinding done Friday night and got 1 fish plate burned in.
[IMG]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...103414_001.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...227_103540.jpg[/IMG] Yes, I know what you are thinking. I have seen better welds too. It is impossible to get a comfortable position up in there. |
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Got the rear completely disassembled finally.
[IMG]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...305_160810.jpg[/IMG] I then spent a couple more hours with the wire wheel on the grinder. I really should consider a dust mask when I do that crap. I think I am still coughing up rust. Aside from the abuse to my lungs, the rear of the frame is just about ready for paint. I also started wire wheeling the leaf packs. [IMG]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...305_160647.jpg[/IMG] Any thoughts on how many leaves to remove? Since I am no longer going to be a dually and have no intentions of having massive payloads in this thing I am going to soften up the rear a little. I am thinking removing 4 of the 10 leaves out of the main pack and retaining the overload pack in case I do load here down a bit. Does this seem out of line to anyone??? |
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Nice work. Can you figure out the tongue weight from your trailer? I'd try to replicate that and then take some measurements to make sure you are level. My rear springs in my v3500 were hammered, and it sagged empty. I think the wear on your springs would make it hard to know how many to remove without a little trial and error. Leave the big overload on the bottom and make sure no leafs are broken above it.
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Nice work. I will be following along. :metal: :metal:
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