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After spending a TON of time reading and learning on the forum, I'm finally ready to start a build thread. In October of this year I began disassembly of my 1966 C20 LWB Fleetside. The truck was a 3/4 ton with a factory 283/SM420 and Eaton HO52 rear with 4.56:1 gears. The truck was purchased new in Bozeman, MT by the parents of my dad's stepfather. My parents bought the truck from them in the mid 80's, and I have a ton of childhood memories from this truck. My mom drove it as her daily driver for a number of years until a bad clutch put it into the field at my parent's house. Fast forward to 2002 when I was a senior in high school. I decided that I'd have a new clutch put in the brown truck and drive it to school. After that I was hooked. I spent most of a year chasing down small mechanical problems. Every time I'd fix what was broken, the next weakest link would fail. Finally, after my Dad installed a new HEI distributor, Edelbrock intake, and Holley carb for me as a surprise, we got the truck running strong. I was in heaven as I drove the truck to work on the morning of my high school graduation. On the way home from my job as a greens keeper at the local golf course, the next weakest link failed: the 283. Needless to say, this truck has broken my heart several times. I spent the summer mowing at the golf course to save up enough money to have a mild 350 rebuilt. I installed the engine outside in January of the following winter and drove the truck for the next year. After that, I installed a Turbo 350 into the truck but got only a little further. The truck sat for about 5 years waiting until I finally had the time and resources to move forward. That time finally came in March of this year when we pulled the truck from Missoula, MT to Billings, MT where I now live. I was able to get the truck running, and drove it for most of the summer. This fall, I finally decided to take the plunge and tear the truck down. Here are some pics of what I started with (sorry, but I'm a terrible photographer): |
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I've spent the last 10 years thinking about how I wanted to build this truck. I wish I could say that I haven't changed my mind more than a few times, but I've finally settled on the following plan:
My goal is to maintain a semi-original stock height look, but with many drivetrain modifications hidden underneath. Notice the recurring theme of ideas that I've gotten from this forum. This truck will be made to drive and work. 1)Repaint the truck in its' original color scheme: Paint code 555 Saddle/Off White 2)Complete Big Back Window Conversion (thanks to jonzcustomshop for the BBW panel and glass!) 3) 12 bolt rear from a 1968 C-10 with upgraded 11 5/32" x 2 ¾" brakes from a 1977 K-10 (thanks to Captainfab for the idea!) 4) 1 1/4" sway bar from a 1977 3/4 ton Suburban (thanks to TX Firefighter's FAQ sticky!) 5) Rebuilt 1987 700r4 with Lokar shifter. 6) Original gauge cluster to replace my idiot lights (thanks again Jon!) 7) I'll retain my mildly built 350. 8) Early Classic C20 to C10 conversion spindles with 6 lug disc brakes. (this is a very quality kit) 9) Converting to C-10 rear cab mounts thanks to Tony Smith's beautifully reproduced rear cab mount brackets) 10)New Classic Update wiring harness from American Autowire. 11) Steel wheels from a 73-87 K-10 with original-style chrome hubcaps. 12) 19 gallon aluminum underbed gas tank. 13) Bucket seats with integrated seatbelts from a 2006 GMC Sierra. These fit with almost no modifications except for drilling new holes. 14) Not to mention countless other upgrades along the way! |
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Good for you there's nothing better than saving the old family truck. I will be watching your build. There's alot of things about your build and mine that are the same. My father inlaw bought my truck near new and my wife and her siblings all drove it to high school and it's the same color as yours. So keep your finger nails dirty and your nose to the grind stone. And I'm a old Golf Course Superintendent so I did my time on the links.
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Thanks 66farmer, that is the plan! I'm not going to set any deadlines yet, but I'm hoping to keep up good progress through the cold winter months.
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As you can see, I had my frame, front suspension x-member, and rear control arms sandblasted. Everything was given the full Por-15 treatment including degreasing with Marine Clean and prep with Metal-Ready. Por-15 is a very picky material, so I wasn't about to take any chances.
Here are a couple of pictures of what I started out with. Attachment 672317 Attachment 672322 Next are a couple of shots after a trip to Industrial Coating Solutions here in Billings. Attachment 672323 Attachment 672325 Merry Christmas Everyone! |
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Merry Christmas from Bozeman (via Iraq)! It's good to see some more 60-66trucks from Montana showing up here:cool:. looks like you're off to a good start! Hope to see it running around when I get back!
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How did the paint job turn out? I sand blasted my frame and used POR15 semi gloss back and the gray on some of the parts. I called POR to ask if I needed the cleaner and metal ready he said blow it off and paint it. The gray looks great the black is ok but inconsistent in color. I used a paint brush and did one coat. I would post a picture but having problems doing so.
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Thanks Pope, I'm glad to see that we have a strong MT contingent as well. Merry Christmas and stay safe.
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Since I've been burned by POR-15 in the past (painted a trailer without proper cleaning and prep, and no UV protective topcoat--the coating failed miserably after about 6 months) I decided to go the whole nine yards with the frame. After sandblasting, I degreased with Marine Clean and prepped the metal with Metal Ready. I think this was overkill, but I wanted to be safe. I put one solid coat of black on the frame, and two coats on some of the smaller parts. After one coat, the black doesn't look great, but two coats look nice and shiny. The folks at POR recommend two coats. I then topcoated everything with a coat of thier Chassis Black. Since it is cold here in Montana, I was only able to heat my garage to about 55 degrees, so the paint dried very slowly, and there are some definite brush marks in the paint. I think the cold limited the paint's ability to flow.
Overall, it looks OK, but not great. I think it would have been better if I had put two very thin coats of each product on, but I did it all by myself and spent 16+ hours getting done what I did. If I could do it again, I think I would get set up to spray it. Overall, after a week of drying, I have a decent looking, very strong finish on my frame and that is the most important part. Quote:
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I'm heading over to meet Jon (jonzcusstomshop) to pick up a factory gauge cluster tomorrow! I'll hopefully have more updates later this week. Ordered a bunch of new parts too!
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Sounds like you have a great plan for the truck. It's good to see that you are moving forward and making good progress.
Keep up the good work and keep the pics coming. :metal: Tony Posted via Mobile Device |
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Thanks for the post. I definitely need a lot of positive reinforcement!
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I've managed to squeeze in some time on the truck over the holidays. First, I met up with jonzcustomshop in Missoula and pulled a few new parts from his collection. I picked up a nice factory gauge cluster and oil pressure hard line, a bed mount perch, and a new plastic piece for the bottom of the steering wheel. My dad is an amateur knife maker, so he offered to polish the gauge bezel for me. I'll post pics when he finishes it. It's nice to have someone to help me out as I go along, too bad he lives 350 miles away.
Attachment 674602 Yesterday, I pulled the axles out of my 12 bolt so I could pull the old brake backing plates off. I was a little worried about pulling the axles, but it turned out to be an easy project. I reinstalled the axles for now so I won't risk the spider gears falling out. I also went to the local junkyard and picked up a set of 67-72 motor mount perches. I'm going to experiment with the forward holes for the engine to allow for more clearance for the 700r4 and HEI distributor. Attachment 674601 Today I spent a bunch of time degreasing the 12 bolt and sandblasting various other metal parts (sway bar, front suspension brackets, rear spring cups, steering linkage, motor perches) in preparation for POR-15. I ordered some of their solvent this time around and I'm going to try spraying it with a Preval aerosol spray setup. Attachment 674610 |
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Here's a picture of my seats. They came out of a 2006 GMC Sierra. I'm lucky enough to have an uncle who is an upholsterer. He offered to recover them in leather, but I'm having trouble deciding what color.
Should I go with a lighter grey color? I'm not sure how that would look with the fawn interior. Or, should I track down a set of seats that came from the factory in tan so I could match the plastic trim pieces with a tan leather. I'm wondering if that might make too monotone of a cab. I have a black carpet for the truck. Opinions Please!!!! Attachment 674618 |
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I managed to get a few more things done this weekend. I made a huge list of nuts and bolts to pick up in the morning, ordered a stainless body bolt kit from Totally Stainless, and disassembled prepped my vent windows for paint. I also had the old tires pulled off of the 15 inch 73-87 k10 6-lug wheels. I'm going to take them in for sandblasting in the morning.
Attachment 675833 I talked the kid at Walmart into pulling the tires off and disposing of them for a total of $3. Not my usual tire shop, but for a simple job on a Sunday, they did the trick. Attachment 675834 If you look closely, you can see the vent window rebuild FAQ thread by alansclassics up on my laptop. It was a huge help and easily guided me through the process. Thanks Alan! |
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Yesterday I finished prepping another round of parts for POR 15. Time to get the garage heated up. I also picked up a fresh set of grade 8 bolts to use when reassembling the suspension. I got them at Fasteners here in town and paid about 1/3 the of what they charge at the local hardware store, and they had everything in stock!
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It's amazing how many times I'll tell myself "well, if I'm going to all this effort, then I'd better replace _______ while I'm at it."
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My other favorite brown truck didn't bring my latest batch of POR-15 yesterday, so I'll get my parts painted tonight. I haven't said too much about my engine and transmission. The engine is a 350 bored .030 over with flat top pistons and an EPW performance torque cam. It was rebuilt by a local shop. My transmission is an '87 700r4 rebuilt with a kit from Monster Transmissions. I'm pretty excited to get it all together.
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Tonight I'm painting the rest of my suspension components, vent windows, and wheels. Here are the before pic's. This time around I used a Preval aerosol spray setup for the POR-15. The propellant doesn't last too long, but it sure is convenient.
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Hi All,
Here is the finished product. I hope the POR-15 is as durable as they say. I had a hard time getting it to look that good, but hey, these are suspension components, and the truck is made to drive. The wheels just have a base coat, and they will be primed and painted the body color. Attachment 678436 Also, I stumbled across this paint chart on the forum. It has both the fawn interior color, and the saddle poly exterior color that originally came with my truck. The dash will be the dark fawn color though. Attachment 678438 |
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Nice work STF....I also think your seats would look good with some type of vintage color match to the interior. Best of new and old.
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looking real good! Your doing it right!!
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I realize that my previous engine picture was pretty bad, so here is a nice one of it cleaned up and looking nice.
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your project looks good. i also por-15 everything. That stuff is worth the effort.
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It was a big day today. The sandblasting/powdercoating company came by and picked up my cab, bed, and all sheet metal. We loaded it all onto a 35 foot gooseneck trailer and shipped it off. It should be delivered to the body guy by the end of the week all clean and ready to go. I'm also having them powdercoat the rest of the black parts that need to look nice.
I meant to get a picture, but forgot until he was driving away. I ran upstairs to get a shot out of the window, turned on the camera, and the memory card was full. I deleted a picture and was able to get a blurry shot. It was kind of sad to see it go, but mostly exciting. |
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The sandblaster finished up with the truck today, and we delivered it to the guy who is going to do the body and paint work. Everything turned out very nice, and I didn't find any rust that I wasn't expecting! I've seen some trucks turn into swiss cheese after blasting, but mine is almost completely solid except for rust in the front cab corners (and various dents and holes drilled through the years). I also had the hood hinges, license plate bracket, radiator support, inner fenders, bumper brackets, and emergency brake handle powdercoated semi-gloss black. I'll have pics tomorrow when I pick them up.
Attachment 681354 Attachment 681353 The other brown truck brought my sway bar mounting brackets and Totally Stainless bolt kit! I've got to get to work! |
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I picked up my assortment of parts at the powder coater today. They turned out BEAUTIFULLY! The only thing I would have done differently is to do a bit better job prepping everything before taking it in. I'm very impressed with the coating, and the sheen is far more even than I could get with the POR-15. Luckily I had all of the parts that can be readily seen coated with powder, and the parts that need to be durable were hit with POR.
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Nice build! From the pictures it looks like the rust was minimal.
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Here's my progress from today. It's starting to look like a truck again!
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Lookin good :D
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If you saw my last post, I'd finished up the front control arms, but hadn't gotten the springs in and spindles attached. I tried to use three different coil spring compressors, but none of them would compress the spring and give me the clearance I needed to get the spring in place. Since I had no weight on the frame, it was impossible to just put a floor jack under the control arm and compress the spring to put the spindle on. I thought a lot about how I might go about getting the spring compressed, and thought maybe if I put the motor in place it would give me enough weight to offset the spring. No luck. So I finally realized that if I put a heavy duty tie down under the jack and over the frame, I'd be able to keep the frame from lifting up. Just to be safe, I used two 1500 lb capacity ratcheting tie downs, and it worked like a charm. :ennyd:
Now my spindles are on and I'm ready for brakes, engine, and transmission this weekend. Luckily, I rebuilt my 3/4 ton control arms with new top and bottom cross shafts and ball joints this spring. Now THAT was a job! Interesting fact. Has anyone else noticed that 1966 C-20's use the same design lower control arm cross shaft as the '60-62 pickups? They bolt directly to the crossmember instead of using u-bolts. The accelerator pedal is the same way. It doesn't use studs and just bolts directly into the floor like the earlier years. Does anyone know why? |
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I got another shipment of parts yesterday. Lokar 16" shifter for the 700r4, heavy duty transmission cooler, flex-a-lite fan and clutch, spark plug wires, etc. It's amazing how fast the small things add up, and how easy it is to forget about them in your budget. Good thing labor in my shop is $0 per hour.
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I got my 11 5/32" x 2 ¾" rear brakes installed today. Everything went smoothly except for Napa's Maxi-Pack brake hardware kit being incomplete. I tracked down the rest of the parts easily enough, though. The drum brake guide from the FAQ section is a lifesaver. If you haven't seen it, take a look here: http://www.pbase.com/nufsed/drumbrake
Here is the completed assembly. Attachment 686514 Notice how much additional surface area comes with the big brakes. My backing plates came off of a late '70's K10. I did the upgrade for only $70 more than it would have cost me to redo my stock rear drums. Early Classic claims a 28% increase in braking power with the new drums. [ATTACH]Attachment 686517[/ATTACH] |
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Nice, so what was the cost? I bought the early classic kit and I paid a lot. Way too much.
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