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Late 60's Vintage Modified Race Car
Well, my C-30 project is pretty well finished up and so I've started working on this ol beast.
I'll post some more pictures and info later, but it's a 1933 Ford 5 Window coupe that was made into a modified in the mid or late 60's, and only ran until '68 or '69. Since then it's pretty much sat out in the woods until I dragged it out. I'm sure a few here can appreciate one of these old relics :lol: http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...Racecar001.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...Racecar002.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...Racecar010.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...Racecar013.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...Racecar011.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...Racecar012.jpg Got the body off of it today: http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar2003.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar2004.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar2006.jpg |
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that is a def cool old coupe!! what era are you gonna get it back to? i vote for early -mid 50s dirt track . put a flathead or maybe even a y block. that would be awesome. whichever way you gi its def cool
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Thanks for comment hopped up.. I plan to put a flathead back in it, and I think that's all it ever ran... Doesn't look like any other motor-mounts have ever been put into it. I'll be sure to keep this post updated... Have to show some pics of the frame, that's the real project part!
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thats awesome to hear! love those model b coupes!! look forwars to updates, im building a model A Coupe,
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thats awesome to hear! love those 33-34 coupes!! look forward to updates, im building a model A Coupe,
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Some more pictures:
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar3029.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...r3013-Copy.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...r3009-Copy.jpg Frame is going to be the hard part... But definately do-able http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...Racecar008.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...Racecar016.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar2007.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar2010.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar2011.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar2013.jpg |
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That frame is rough,but gotta keep that roll cage!,
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What a find, I have always loved old race cars, can't wait to see the build, so glad you saved it.
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Looks like a cool ride.
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I want the body!!!!!
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Thanks for the comments guys! The frame's definately seen better days, but the body is in awsome shape for being almost 80 years old, being left out for at least the last 40, being a race car, and who knows what else. There are some dents that should band out pretty easy, but little rust.. I've seen alot more rust on cars less then 10 years old!
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wow,, in for more pics of this project..
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I'll have some more pictures tomorrow... Have the front end/rearend ready to come out, just two stubborn bolts left. Then I'll have the chassis sandblasted and hopefully start welding on it soon..
The big news of today is that I found a flathead for it. Stopped at a guys house while out riding around who always has some different junk around, and he just got a '48 F6. He wanted the cab to put on a late model chassis, so I'm getting the motor, trans, and radiator for around $500.. Hopefully picking it up on Monday, definately have more pictures then! |
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Made some progress today...
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...acecar4009.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...acecar4014.jpg Taking the front end and rearend over to our other shop to work on at some points (got 3 out of 4 drums to turn so far, but the rearend might be junk).. http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...acecar4018.jpg Frame ready to deliver and have it sandblasted, just have to put a strap on the back haha http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...acecar4022.jpg Hopefully I can get the chassis sandblasted, and then pick up my motor, trans, and radiator this week. |
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Just realized that the trunk is leaded in? Very cool !!
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The rear suspension is also real funky. All it is is two threaded rods welded to plates on top of where the spring perches were on the rearend, then the rods go up through the rear crossmember, with only a short coil spring in between. At some points one was broken and never fixed... Perhaps why it stopped racing at the time. There are some mounts on the frame further up that look like they could go to maybe some leaf springs or some other type of suspension, but they don't hook to anything... Same with the little shocks in the back of the car- no where to hook them on the rear. |
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Made some more progress.. Dug into the front end and rear-end. Front end is pretty much ready to paint with POR-15, rearend needs some more attention before paint. Would like to weld the other bolt/threaded rod first, but our 220 welder needs a new liner.
Got most of the stuff off of the motor to get ready for paint and stuff... http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar5001.jpg Front end- Drums came off pretty easy, just needed to adjust the shoes on the driver side.. http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar5004.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar5008.jpg Check out these wheel lug adapters- go from 8 lug, to wide 5 bolt patterns: http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar5009.jpg The rearend proved a little more difficult... The drivers side drum/backing plate came off slick for having sat outside without an axle for probably 20 years. The passenger side was a bit more challenging... Never seen rot holes in a brake drum before, and the brakes ended up just coming out with it, after I unbolted the wheel cylinder: http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar5011.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar5014.jpg Then I opened up the rearend to look at the gears... http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar5015.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar5016.jpg Might need to find a different pumpkin... http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar5017.jpg |
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more....more....MORE!!! :D
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That's awesome!! My machine shop guy has a 32. Keep the pix coming!!
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Gainin' little by little... Ordering a bunch of brake parts tonight. Also got the rearend welded up (around the bolts, and the perches used to mounted them) and put back together. Got the front-end painted a while ago, but forgot pictures before. Got a complete rear-end (actually for my birthday) just need to go and pick it up. I'll use the axles and probably the brake drums.. Keep the rest for spare parts.
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What rear is that? I fig it had a banjo rear. What front axle? 8 lug to wide 5? WTF. Never sen that
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Not sure on the front axle... Some guy said a '48, but I'm not real firmiliar with this vintage of Fords.. I do know the brake on the front are actually REAR brake off of a '39-'42 Ford car.. So perhaps the axle is from then?? One side has the stock hub and the wide-5 bolt pattern, while the right front has a 3/4 ton "safety hub" which was mandated by the track, so that the wheel can never accidentally come off of the car. Lotta race cars had started going to wide-5 patterns to run regular racing rims and tires... Guess they used to sell adapters back in day to make it easy to switch over?? |
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Did you get to hear the motor run? Flatheads are one of the coolest looking engines ever.
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Very cool and unique project. I love the use of the old flattie too....I'm in!
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Been making some progress, but no real good pictures to show... Dropped the frame off to have it sandblasted, and the guy said early to mid next week he'll have it done so that's good news. Got some of my brake parts from Mac's a week and a half later, but had to cancel the brake shoes because they were backordered 6-8 weeks, so I ordered from another place a week ago and they haven't shown up yet either... Hopefully by the end of the week though. Also pulled the oil pan to clean out the gunk in the bottom and inspect some of the bearings, no big/bad suprises there seemed decent, some pits in a couple cylinder walls but way down and not where the rings would touch. Ran into some big problems with the rearend... Got it all painted and everything, and assumed it would be easy to find a set of axles (why I bought the extra rearend), but I soon found out there's two of these style rearends made by Timken. I've got the newer A-150 style out of a '53-'56 F250. The older style is the one most racers actually used, and the kind that I bought to get parts from. Of course, the rearend out of the car is 2" wider, and the splines aren't the same either. Now I'm not too sure what to do... Been looking and asking all the guys I know about axles, but haven't turned up a thing yet. I could always mount up the spare rearend I bought if worse comes to worse though... Have to see. Also kind of wondered about the electrical on the car today... Would a regular flathead run fine on 12 volt? I'm guessing the generator wouldn't work, but what about everything else? The electric fuel pump in the back of the car is a 12 volt and was definately being used at the time, and I'm pretty certain this car only had a flathead... |
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Been working on it some more, but been getting kind of frustrated at the same time. When I order a bunch of parts from Mac's a few weeks ago, I clicked the box to notify me if any parts were on backorder. Of course the brake orders were on backorder 6-8 weeks. I didn't really want to wait that long, and so I cancelled them from my order. So then I went and ordered them almost two weeks ago from Honest Charley's. Waited a week, no news, so I e-mailed a guy, who gave me the phone number of another guy to contact. He assured me last Friday they had shipped. Well the showed up today... and guess where they came from?? Mac's. Kind of an annoying run around but at least they're here... Just to show that I've been doing something:
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...rBrakes008.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...rBrakes012.jpg So I'd pretty much have the front brake done, except for the springs. I kept fighting with the new return springs I bought from Mac's and so I went and dug out one of the old ones to compare- the new one is about 1/2" shorter, no wonder it was giving me such a hard time! Then tried to see if the old ones were still OK, bent one and seemed OK, bent the other and it snapped in half... So back to the drawing board on those I guess... Also had the brake drums turned, just have to go and pick them up. Been trying to work out the rear axle shafts as well... I used one of those snake cameras to count the splines on the pig and it turns out this Timken uses a 16 spline axle instead of a 12 spline like the older model... No wonder the other axles wouldn't fit haha... Been trying to track those down, asked just about everyone I can think of but haven't had any luck. Saw a 1-ton Timken, made the same year(s) as the rear end I've got, but they're a little different and I'm not sure if they'd work... Might end up having to go pull one and find out. Also learned that early Dana 60's have 16 spline axles about the same length, so that might be an option too... Hopefully the chassis will be back this week so I can get started on that too... Anyways thanks for reading, hope you guys are enjoying the build! |
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Glad to see some progress, saw you posted on the hamb too. I'm vntge41 on there
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Didn't have much time to work on it this weekend, but I did get a few places patched... Some before and afters: http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar7001.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar7019.jpg This one I'm not completely happy with, but I've still got some reworking to do.. http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar7003.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar7007.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar7022.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar7014.jpg I've also pretty much made up my mind that I want to put this car on the road.... I'll still keep it as stock as possible, so that it could easily be put back to "as-raced" condition (the side bars are in the way anyways, so the doors will have to remain welded..) but add the items needed to have it inspected as a street rod. I've always wanted to build a decent hot rod, but of course money was always an issue... So far I'm into this car for right around $2,000, that includes the car itself, the engine, all the brake parts, sandblasting, and the steel to patch it. I'm sure I'll have over $3,000 into by the time I'm done, but I've got all the major parts except for the transmission and radiator, plus all the replacement parts (clutch, brake lines, etc). Probably some feel that an old stock car shouldn't be put on the road, but hey why not? This car wasn't a track champion, and to my knowledge never won a feature, so I might as well have some fun, go to some shows/cruises instead of just covering it up in the garage... But I think I've still got a while before I need to worry about all of that stuff! |
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Today's progress.... Still need to do (alot) of grinding:
Used a plasma cutter for the first real time to cut out the rotten section (outer frame rail first).. http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...eCar6012-1.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar6021.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar8005.jpg Then I cut out the inner frame rail section (doesn't look as bad, but it was paper thing and pitted awful) http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar8008.jpg Just kinda went around and tacked in the inner frame rail section, when I flip the frame over I'll be able to weld around it better plus I didn't want the outer frame rail patch to hit on the welds http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar8012.jpg And then the outer section... I heated up the bottom section and hammered it down to give it a more factory curve to it http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar8022.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar8023.jpg |
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Damn was that frame sitting in a pool of water. Alot of rust!!! But nothing better than a n original frame under an old ford
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Got the rear drum brakes all done today, just have to put the two halves together and that part of the project is done. Also just have to put one more spring on a front brake and then those can go back together. I want it so when I'm done welding/grinding and eventually painting, I can roll out the front end and rear end, bolt them in, and then I've got a nice rolling chassis. Then it'll look like I've really got something! |
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Nice progress, can't wait to see it rolling. :metal:
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Still peckin away at it....
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...eCar6008-1.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...eCar6009-1.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar9002.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar9003.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar9017.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar9031.jpg Tipped back over... http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar9048.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar9051.jpg Originally they only welded one side of the gussets for the cage, which is certainly strong enough but I decided what the heck, might as well finish the other side.. http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar9053.jpg Swiss cheese anyone? http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...aceCar9060.jpg Ended up sitting in the car for the first time yesterday, man the guy who drove must have been pretty short haha! Will have to move the seat back further, and also going to have to do some reworking on the radiator support, not sure on the plan there yet, but definately going to be cut down quite a bit. Trying to figure out what to do about the actual radiator as well.... I got measurements from an F7/F8 radiator and it doesn't sound anywhere close to what I need, so I guess maybe a Lincoln radiator is quite a bit different. Really doesn't matter what radiator I put in though. And some guys have told me you can add the extra water necks to any old radiator? Anyone here try that or have it done? Also might have found a transmission, guy is supposed to deliver it next week if all goes well. |
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Just to show that I haven't been slackin off too much...
This is Monday afternoon: http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...cecar10001.jpg And this is tonight.... http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...cecar10024.jpg Been quite a week of progress (especially since I only got to work on it 3 nights) but its alot more motivating to see it back on its feet again Ran into a few issues lately that I've been tackling... Bought a 4.10 ring and pinion for it, but of course the part number didn't actually go to this model and ended up with one for a Dana 60 instead. Looking it over and talking with a couple knowledgable guys it COULD have been made to fit... But it would have required alot of machine work ($$$) to make it fit. Then I went to a couple junkyard looking for rears, mostly at Dana 60's, and found one, but then talked it over again with some people and decided just to put the rearend that I have back together again and run it... Can always change it in the future. The rear suspension is real funky... Homemade 2 link set-up, which was sort of ahead of its time back then, but they never really went all the way with it.. Here's some pictures to kind of show it: http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...cecar10025.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...cecar10027.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...cecar10030.jpg When I put it in the car, the rear automatically wanted to twist and the pinion was facing way up and the tires were hitting the side bars. I knew the suspension was going to need some help but the ratchet strap is holding it in a decent position and it should be easy to take out a little more metal to get the pinion level and then weld a plate or a couple thick washers to the top of the crossmember to keep it there. Then I'll be building some radius rods out of aluminum like out of a newer stock car. Not really the most authentic, but hey I have it available and once it's painted black I doubt most will know the difference... Also one the rearend when I decided to put it back together, I didn't really want to deal with the welded spiders on the road (especially with how big the tires are going to be on the back) so I started messing with it and found only one actualy weld was still holding it (the rest had broke) so I used a plasma cutter to cut the weld, took the spider gears apart, and then carefully took a die grinder and got rid of the welds. Not exactly the most popular/correct way to do it, but hey this ain't Nascar. http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...cecar10015.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...cecar10018.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...cecar10017.jpg Also had to deal with the drag link... Originally they just used the stock drag link and cobbed it into the Chevy steering box with only a few threads on the end holding it and of course they were pretty stripped... Hadn't paid any attention to it when I took it apart so that was sort of a speed bump when I went to put it back together. So then my Uncle talked me into just making my own out of the aluminum I had for the radius rods. Never really worked with this stuff before, but it was pretty easy. Might have to do some adjusting with it, but the steering actually seems to go pretty good turning the wheel. http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...cecar10032.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...cecar10033.jpg Also managed to find a transmission a couple weeks back. Been looking all over for one asking all the guys I know, and then I just happened to talk to a guy at a local cruise night and he said he had one. So he brought it with him the next week to the cruise night and I picked it up there so that worked out alright. Hopefully soon (meaning tomorrow) I can get the engine/transmission in there for mockup. |
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Great to see you got it on some wheels!! Keep pecking Away and you'll be there before you know it
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Had some more time yesterday and this afternoon. Dropped the motor/trans in. Went pretty good considering I did it by myself, I've only done it once before and I only had a regular car lift to do it with.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...1Engine001.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...1Engine011.jpg I guess I know why they torched that section of the frame out now.. http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...1Engine010.jpg So I've been thinking that this car last ran with a 3 speed out of an F1 because of the transmission crossmember they built had two holes close together. But after getting the rear mount, it wasn't even close. But then I got to looking at the other mount they had where a bolt was sticking up and it looked close and of course this trans bolted right to it. Looks like they cut out the other side of the mount for some reason.. But if anyone has any idea what other transmission it might have had I'd be curious to know.. The crossmember sit back maybe 2 or 3" from the end of this F1 transmission, and the only two holes for bolts are in the center maybe and inch or two apart. I'll try to get pictures tomorrow of it to help with ID.. http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...1Engine003.jpg So I had good luck with the one transmission mount, but the motor mounts were a different story... http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...1Engine006.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...1Engine005.jpg Any ideas what might have cause this? Is it because it's an 8ba instead of the older style flatheads? Or maybe they had a transmission that set back a little more? There was also a fitment issue on the driver side by the steering box... http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...1Engine007.jpg Looked like quite a tight fit for even a stock manifold let alone headers But then I remembered that with the rubber mounts it'll probably sit up another 1" or so which would help. So I took out the motor mounts that were in it thinking I'd have to make some new ones, but then I held them against the frame and moved them forward about and inch to line up with the water pump holes and it looked like they'd fit. So I got out the welder and welded them to the frame but not permanent so I could rework them if I had to. I was able to get the rubber mounts in after that so it looks like those motor mounts will end up working in that position (Had to go out and get a new engine crane of course :rolleyes:) http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...1Engine019.jpg Hard to tell from the picture but I gained quite a bit of clearance by the steering box. The dipstick tube still hit the box but just barely so I'm sure something could be done about that. http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...1Engine025.jpg Looks like the radiator might be a tight fit...... http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...1Engine015.jpg |
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The frame actually looks in better condition than my old 91 Trooper was so pretty damn good for its age. I was patching worse holes than yours and ended up scrapping it as there was just nothing solid left to weld a patch to!
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Had to pull the car out today....
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ceCar12048.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ceCar12049.jpg In order to unload this from the trailer using the lift and then set it on the car after pushing it back in.. http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ceCar12050.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ceCar12051.jpg My favorite view (although the photo doesn't really look as good).. http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ceCar12068.jpg The hood will need a little "massaging" http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ceCar12052.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ceCar12053.jpg I be this will make a few guys jealous... http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ceCar12071.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ceCar12073.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ceCar12076.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ceCar12075.jpg http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ceCar12079.jpg Aside from the old battery box on the firewall, that is the ONLY rust on the body.... Not bad for almost what 80 years? And I know it spent the last 20-40 of those years in the woods.... Also got the rear suspension all done, just forgot to take pictures of it. Built some radius rods using new style aluminum for stock cars nowadays. Also fabricated some peices that fit over the jacking bolts to make them stay in place. Just jumping on the bumpers shows that it gives it a nice suspension now.... Certainly better then the original set-up! |
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