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ivorton74 12-25-2014 02:46 AM

JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
Lately I've been reading a lot of threads and watch videos trying to do my home work on a turbo swap for my truck. I just ran across this video on youtube of this guy who offers turbo kits for lsx motors. Only thing is he doesn't give a price unless ur actually ready to do ur turbo build but from the videos I've seen it seems like a good deal. This kit would be perfect for me as I have little to no fab skills at all...don't even know how to weld yet.Has anyone heard of or dealt with this guy before?

Here is one of his vids....http://youtu.be/Isg85uifGmI

tinsoldier 12-25-2014 11:11 AM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
Sounds like someone is trying to make a quick buck. $100 for an initial consultation? Didn't really go into details of what type or sizes of turbos, what type of material of manifolds, size of injectors, etc...He sounds more like a used cars saleman trying to selling a kit with different options. Most likely the turbos, wastegates, BOVs are chinese made from Ebay.

I can see he is trying to make a quick put together kits from the video. I know I wouldn't use a 90 degree silicon elbow to the throttle body. He could have gotten an aluminum elbow and use a straight connector to minimize flexing or boost leak.

If you don't know how to turbo, its best to get a shop to do it and you can learn from it.

Just a quick search, I found a kit that looks like his.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHEVY-SBC-28...30e6b7&vxp=mtr

truckdude239 12-25-2014 12:27 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
Hes all talk

windmill 12-25-2014 12:42 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
He might be all talk but he's had some fast ls car's.. check the little 280 z out,, 5.7's is kinda fast. anyways here's a guy on ls1tech is selling a looks like a great kit that might work on a truck...
http://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-ind...kit-build.html

I do have a mustang with ls,,, thought of going to his setup.... and doing away with the nos setup. here's my mustang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtbooZoGZmQ

tinsoldier 12-25-2014 01:01 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
On3 performance uses Chinese turbos, wastegates, etc. I am familiar with them, a friend of mine uses their kit...That guy in the youtube posted by the original poster is not On3.

tinydb84 12-25-2014 03:55 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
If you spend some time on the ls1tech forced induction forum you will see tons of Chinese stuff going super fast.

Can you fab? VS Racing has the "Denmah Special" that has pretty much all you need for like 800 bucks.

ivorton74 12-25-2014 04:12 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
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Originally Posted by windmill (Post 6971033)
He might be all talk but he's had some fast ls car's.. check the little 280 z out,, 5.7's is kinda fast. anyways here's a guy on ls1tech is selling a looks like a great kit that might work on a truck...
http://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-ind...kit-build.html

I do have a mustang with ls,,, thought of going to his setup.... and doing away with the nos setup. here's my mustang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtbooZoGZmQ

The setup in that mustang is exactly how I want my setup to be...with the turbo sitting on the passenger side and everything.

ivorton74 12-25-2014 04:19 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
Im trying to figure everything out.... like what turbo I need to get for the kinda power I want to get. The truck is just for the street not track. I would like 450-500 to the wheels. The engine would be bone stock except from what I've read so far, it'll be better to have dual valve springs. And i'll have to the get the 4L60 beefed up for that power obviously. Im trying to find all the parts i'll need for the build as well. Im getting pretty serious about this build...we have a 2015 f350 super duty on work and the way that turbo diesel pulls that heavy ass thing is crazy lol...I want that for my truck. I probably wont be able to do the build right away but im starting to plan for it now.

ivorton74 12-25-2014 04:27 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tinydb84 (Post 6971172)
If you spend some time on the ls1tech forced induction forum you will see tons of Chinese stuff going super fast.

Can you fab? VS Racing has the "Denmah Special" that has pretty much all you need for like 800 bucks.

I actually was on ls1tech last night checking out the FI threads and subscribed to some of em. I was reading about this guy using an ebay kit in his firebird. It looked like he was doing ok with it but he still had to modify the kit and I think he changed his turbo and the engine too if im not mistaking. But I wouldn't use them ebay kits. I read that the piping crack since they're made from cheap metal.
here's that ebay kit thread...http://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-ind...-ebay-kit.html

I don't know how to fab but i'll have to learn if I want to do this. i'll be doing the turbo build at the same shop where I did the 5.3 swap and the guy said he built turbo motors before so I guess it'll be ok

ivorton74 12-25-2014 04:47 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
just found these vids on justchevytrucks youtube channel...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ney9GOUv9K0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNbeeCVLJZQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFmTY3AMshs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv9zMp6t56I

tinydb84 12-25-2014 04:56 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
Read this thread: http://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-ind...turbo-kit.html
Or check out Wasted Income's Family Hauler thread on here.

I looked at your build thread and it seems like you should be mechanically inclined enough to do a turbo on your own. Just pick up a 110 mig and get some practice in before you start and you will save thousands.

ivorton74 12-25-2014 05:12 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
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Originally Posted by tinydb84 (Post 6971224)
Read this thread: http://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-ind...turbo-kit.html
Or check out Wasted Income's Family Hauler thread on here.

I looked at your build thread and it seems like you should be mechanically inclined enough to do a turbo on your own. Just pick up a 110 mig and get some practice in before you start and you will save thousands.

I will check those threads out. I really do need to learn how to weld. my uncle in law has a mig welder...may I could buy it off him since he don't really use it. But where do I get all the piping? I know theres kit but I don't want to get no cheapy Chinese rubbish

tinydb84 12-25-2014 05:33 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
http://www.mandrel-bends.com/catalog/

ivorton74 12-25-2014 06:17 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
Kool!! Thanks for the link

BR3W CITY 12-25-2014 08:03 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
How's he gonna weld Stainless or Alum with a basic 110 mig?

I agree he's prob capable enough of putting something together tho, but personally I wouldn't try to "learn" mig welding on tube, for a turbo application.

Ivorton, for the power levels you want, you have a ton of wiggle room and choices for parts. I'd really consider having some vbands or flanges welded onto flipped truck manifolds, which has been done 100's of times, and can easily put the turbo where you'd like it. Chinese turbos' can go fast, you just have to be a bit more diligent in WHERE you get it from, and making sure that your getting exactly what you want.

Starting with the truck manifolds, some flanges, a bend kit like Tiny posted, your already well on your way. Used Holset's can also be nice if you want "factory" type parts.

My .04 cents.

tinydb84 12-25-2014 08:25 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
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Originally Posted by BR3W CITY (Post 6971363)
How's he gonna weld Stainless or Alum with a basic 110 mig?

I agree he's prob capable enough of putting something together tho, but personally I wouldn't try to "learn" mig welding on tube, for a turbo application.

Starting with the truck manifolds, some flanges, a bend kit like Tiny posted, your already well on your way. Used Holset's can also be nice if you want "factory" type parts.

My .04 cents.

You can run mild steel for the cold side too. I'd get it coated so you don't get anything flaking off into the engine. You could also make a mock up piece in cold and have someone do it in aluminum (too much effort for me though).

I agree about the learning to weld part though. Welding tube isn't too much different once you know how to weld but learning on a curve is just making it harder on yourself.

ivorton74 12-25-2014 08:42 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
Good point about the welding...learning to weld on tubes would be hard for a novice like me. I was just look at a some vids of a kid in florida with 4.8 in a ford Fairmont and he made his own kit using just truck manifolds and tubing and it turned out pretty good...here's the vid if u want to check it out...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr3HpPYGeF0...Using the manifolds seems to be the easiest way to do the kit with that piping kit on the site Tiny posted. Also I do see alotta turbo threads with guys using those Chinese gt35 and gt45 turbos and making good power without issues...even them guys on justchevytrucks are using them so maybe i'll use one of those. btw do I have to use the truck manifolds or would the fbody ones I have on the truck work too? I'm gonna have a ton of questions.

HemiChallenger71 12-25-2014 09:41 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
I havent read all of this thread but just spend the extra $$ and got a borg warner turbo instead of the $300 china stuff. Genuine b/w turbos can be had new for $6/700.

ivorton74 12-26-2014 12:47 AM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
I saw those b/w turbos on ebay...those are pretty good for the price.

ivorton74 12-26-2014 02:17 AM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
Came across this on ls1tech....http://shop.huronspeedproducts.com/G...7-truckhot.htm. would this work on an older truck?

tinydb84 12-26-2014 03:10 AM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
Its not a bad kit. Good thickness on the parts. The 2.5 inch hotside is a bit large. They might be able to tell you if it will fit if you call them over the phone.

Check this guy out: http://www.one-guys-garage.com/
Depending where you are in South Dakota it might be worth driving it there and having him build you a custom kit (and any other custom work you want). His shop rate is $55 an hour.

83 Silverado 12-26-2014 10:08 AM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
Dirty Dingo sells a turbo manifold with crossover kit. http://dirtydingo.com/store/product_...oducts_id=1439

Looks like it uses a stock cast manifold for the pass side, with the crossover at the rear of the motor.

ivorton74 12-26-2014 01:35 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
@ tiny...that shop is about 5 hours away from where i am in Northeastern SD so not that far away. Looks like an impressive shop...guy did some sweet turbo cars.
@83silverado....that kit looks great as well...theres alot of options...just gotta figure out which is the best way to go

ivorton74 12-26-2014 02:14 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
Where does the blow off valve usually go?

HemiChallenger71 12-26-2014 03:04 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
If your thinking about turbo-ing the lsx in that big body chevy you have a more room than just about anyone for options.

If it were me I would take the time to build my own with reverse truck manifolds or buy a kit based off that. Those log manifolds dont look all that enticing to me. The idea of a "turbo kit" is kind of funny when you think about.

ivorton74 12-26-2014 03:50 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
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If your thinking about turbo-ing the lsx in that big body chevy you have a more room than just about anyone for options.

If it were me I would take the time to build my own with reverse truck manifolds or buy a kit based off that. Those log manifolds dont look all that enticing to me. The idea of a "turbo kit" is kind of funny when you think about.

I'm not worried about room at all. That thing has a huge engine bay. I would like the turbo to sit right about where the intake filter is. I see some guys having their turbo sit in front of the motor but the motor is sitting a bit more forward than the 350 was and I would like to keep the truck accessories. The truck doesn't have a/c so don't have to worry about that. Have to find a good intercooler that'll fit behind my grille. The truck is lowered and im still running the stock pan. I may go with an fbody pan. I gotta see where the crossover pipe would go too. I'm running 2.5 dual flowmaster exhaust...I gotta see how that's going to work too. Just so many things to think about.

tinydb84 12-26-2014 03:53 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
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Originally Posted by ivorton74 (Post 6972041)
Where does the blow off valve usually go?

On the cold side before the throttle body.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiChallenger71 (Post 6972081)
If your thinking about turbo-ing the lsx in that big body chevy you have a more room than just about anyone for options.

If it were me I would take the time to build my own with reverse truck manifolds or buy a kit based off that. Those log manifolds dont look all that enticing to me. The idea of a "turbo kit" is kind of funny when you think about.

This^^ Check out theturboforums as well when you get the chance.

ivorton74 12-26-2014 04:07 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
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I just contacted One Guy Garage over in Minnesota and they said about $3500 for a budget turbo kit made with mild steel tubing with a Chinese turbo, intercooler, wastegate and bov with potential for about 600hp and if I drop off the truck it would be done in about 2 weeks. They said if I want stainless steel piping with American made components it'll be more. There's a 71 c10 on their site that has a 6.0 turbo and he said that setup cost about $6000.

ivorton74 12-26-2014 06:01 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
@tiny thanks again for the link...its a pretty good site. I just joined it

ivorton74 12-29-2014 12:28 AM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
Im leaning towards getting a borg warner turbo but which one should i go with? Will a s475 or s480 76mm turbo be good for a stock street 5.3 or are they too big?

BR3W CITY 12-29-2014 11:34 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
I've seen the s475 a bunch of times on LS's. Realistically you won't see "max" boost on either turbo with that small of a motor, but that doesn't mean they don't work.

the 475 would be making over 450 at ~12-15psi, with a sh!t ton of room to grow. Seen them pushed 20ish psi making near 600. The s400's are physically large tho, just keep it in mind when deciding where to put it.

ivorton74 12-30-2014 12:43 AM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
What size piping is good for the hotside, cross-over, downpipe and intercooler? My buddy is going to be building the kit using mild steel and he already has the truck manifolds.

tinydb84 12-30-2014 12:51 AM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
Read here: http://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-ind...over-pipe.html

ivorton74 12-30-2014 01:45 AM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
Thanks man...that was a great thread. I'll probably go with 2.25'' piping. I saw some good intercooler kits on cxracing's ebay store so I'll probably go with one of those.

BR3W CITY 12-30-2014 03:08 AM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
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Originally Posted by ivorton74 (Post 6976844)
What size piping is good for the hotside, cross-over, downpipe and intercooler? My buddy is going to be building the kit using mild steel and he already has the truck manifolds.

Its really worth considering trying to go with Alum tubing for the cold-side/charge pipe stuff if you can (really stainless would be nice on the hot side too). Most of the welding needs to happen on the hotside, so for the sake of budget and welding I understand staying mild steel; but for the rest, going to alum (or stainless) offers some real benefits.

Most of the charge piping can be bought in bend kids and fastened with silicon couplers or strap bands (even v bands), so you can avoid having access to a TIG if you don't. Alum and SS allow for a thinner wall on the same size tube, while retaining the strength that you'd need in that situation. This means a cut in weight over the total length of the piping, and a physically smaller footprint..as a start.

Lets say you have 10ft of tubing on your cold side/charge pipe/intercooler etc.

For steel Formula: Wt/Ft = (*OD - *WT) x *WT x 10.69
  • which means over our assumed 10ft of pipe; IF you used .049 (exhaust tube) it would weigh about 12lbs. However, using exhaust pipe on turbo systems (even the inlet side) is something I consider sub-par.
  • If you stepped up slightly to .065 wall steel, it becomes a little closer to 15lbs.
  • If you started to move up to sch5 (.083, something you might source from construction or hvac supply), its around 24lbs.
  • If you went all the way to sch40 (like you might see on home built hot sides), its jumps to nearly 57lbs.

Now if I compare that to aluminum;

..i got lazy but,, for the same diameter, its only about .5lb /ft, cutting the calculated weight to only 5 lbs.

Stainless on the hot side allows for thinner wall thickness for weight savings as well, but I won't start doing those numbers unless your interested.

ivorton74 12-30-2014 03:49 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
Man BREW...you really know ur stuff man. Thats why when i start a thread i always look forward to ur posts. I would go with stainless steel but my buddy said he doesn't know how to weld that so thats why im going with mild steel. Aren't those ebay intercooler piping made out of aluminum or are they cheapo materials?

BR3W CITY 12-30-2014 04:09 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
I've used the ebay GodSpeed units before, and they were actually pretty nicely made aluminum. There are a few floating around made from galvanized, but I see less and less of those.

tinsoldier 12-30-2014 04:53 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
Stick with aluminum for intercooler tubings. Buy couple of U bends and start cutting and connect with silicon couplers. You want aluminum for the heat dissipations. Using mild steels or especially stainless steel will soak in heat.

As for the sizes of the intercooler pipings. Don't order the sizes until you have the intercooler and turbo in your hands. Because the inlet and outlet of the intercooler will dictate the sizes of the pipes. Majority of the times, they are 2.5 but sometimes 2 or 3 inches depending on how large the intercooler is. Then also the sizes of the compressor housing of the turbo will come into play.

For the turbo manifolds. Some people will use mild steels to help keep the costs down but those will crack in about 6-8 months. Or those Ebay stainless manifold from China, they will crack just as fast too. If you want the best, some company uses schedule 40 stainless.
http://www.amazon.com/Dirty-Dingo-Motorsports-Turb... http://www.amazon.com/Dirty-Dingo-Motorsports-Turb...

Here is one I really like and will probably use when I am done with my LS swap. But you have to be fluent in turbo for this manifold.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/271697172489...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

ivorton74 12-30-2014 07:11 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
Oh yeah... I actually have that manifold on my watch list on ebay and justchevytrucks had a video on youtube about it. It looks like its a pretty decent manifold. The dirty dingo looks good too. I don't really have any other choice but to use the mild steel. I guess i'll be taking a chance with that.
I'll get the aluminum intercooler...cxracing has a complete kit...intercooler, piping, couplers and even a bov with the flange. I'll have to make sure and check the space behind the grille so I don't get an intercooler that's too big.

BR3W CITY 12-30-2014 09:23 PM

Re: JS LSX Turbo complete kits...anyone heard of this?
 
Not all BOV's use the same flange, and you'll also need a wastegate flange if your making the hotside yourself, which will need to be welded in.

Mild steel can sag and weaken after seeing 1400+ temps from the heat, but the reality is it'll probably take 3-4years at least to get cycled enough for that to really happen (assuming its not a daily ). By then, you'll have saved up enough to have one of us fancy-weldin folks to make you a stainless one :)


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