Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

I believe the bracket below was common for 67-72. Thing is, I happily threw mine away decades ago when I had visions of restoring my former bed HA!. Never did have the bolt or nut(s). Anyway, I believe these brackets were mounted between the LH cab and wheel well from factory.

Reason for the post:

1. I have a "new" bed. It's super duper:chevy:, but lacks the screw holes for the carrier bracket. Can anyone offer a measurement for where that mounts to the bed? The carrier has to be vertical, so a measure or two should work fine. I checked the assembly manual for 10 minutes and did find one. It's a different carrier, possibly used where a gas tank is under the bed. Any volunteers to index the manual? Kidding. Bed...Bed.....Bed.......More bed

2. Picture(s) of the correct bolt and nut(s) to mount the wheel appreciated too, especially for a C-10 short bed. Here's the trick......Thanks to a board member there are "three bolts different sizes and lengths to match up to the vehicle".

Thank you

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/a...1&d=1366678660

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/a...1&d=1366678660

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

Attachment 1553050

Attachment 1553051

Attachment 1553052
Not sure if these will help much,as mine is a longbed. SSTim also said the bolt for the wheel is not factory. It is supposed to slide in the slot on the bracket. I would get more pictures and measure , but my son is driving the truck at the moment.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

The manual has been indexed:
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=563097
Download the spreadsheet here. Looks like page 426, of you have a digital copy it should be numbered but paper copies don't have page numbers.


I believe the bottom uses existing bedside to floor bolt holes. Then you drill where the top lands on the bed side flange. That's how mine was anyway on a 67 SWB.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

Thanks for the pictures and the index. Concerning the index, do you know the purpose for the "X" in columns D through S?

This index is AWESOME. I'm numbering every other page and so far everything matches up.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

I used to have one of those too, without the bolt. Don't for the life of me know what ever happened to it.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

I have one too but without the hardware. pretty common back in the day in the south west as fewr roads were paved and even two wheel drive trucks needed the clearance behind the rear axle.

wish somebody reproed the whole set up. Id buy one or two just for the hardware.

could you show some close ups of the hardware...please!

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

Nuts and bolts, nuts and bolts, anyone?

I believe the screws (really bolts) are high crown phillips head. They may be the same screws as what's used to mount the jack handle behind the door (5/16"). The top screws take a washer and nut each. The bottom screws use that and lock washers.

Here's nut & bolt that may be right. Be cool if it is, because I just bought the set.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/a...5&d=1468539562

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

My short bed fleetside had it mount on the drivers side but behind the wheel arch, next to the tailgate.
I took it off when I sprayed the bed with bedliner but you can still see the old paint marks where it was mounted on the upper rail. My truck is parked at my office so I can get you a picture tomorrow with measurements if it helps.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

I have a Cheyenne super short bed with two mounted in it one on each side behind cab , if you want I can send pics or post them

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

Pics would be great. Especially of the nut and bolt.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

Do a search for P13 "ss tim" and you will find a number of threads.

There are only three locations that are factory. Both are the left front side of a fleetside bed. Basically its the same location relative to the wheel housing. The difference is the distance from the bed front be it a SWB, LWB or a Longhorn.

It picks up two production bolt holes on the floor but the details escape me at the moment.

The low crown phillips are factory for the upper two fasteners though and I still don't have a proper picture of the carriage bolt used to secure the tire to the mount. As I said before it (the shank square) indexes in the slot as an anti-rotation measure yet slides up or down as need to center in the wheel assembly resting on the bed floor.

Need to remember these were sold over the counter as kits and any number of locations can be found in the wild. My 72 (as found) had a homemade carrier in the left rear. Handy yet out of normal sightlines.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

I caught quite a few of your posts beforehand Tim. Informative as usual. Concerning the screws, those are "low crown"? What do the bottom screws look like? If memory serves me (15 years since I removed mine), I'm "reminded" the bottom screws may differ. The tops look like the screw for mounting the jack behind the door.

Someone has an original nut and bolt for SWB........Pics?

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

[QUOTE=71CHEVYSHORTBED402;7654973]Thanks for the pictures and the index. Concerning the index, do you know the purpose for the "X" in columns D through S?

I also can not find the column decoder for model and year.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

mine is mounted the other way. with the bottom flange facing out.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

Mine too. Good to know it's in backwards! CRUD!

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

Anyone know if the spare tire is meant to rest on the floor of the bed when it is fastened to these brackets? Or does the entire weight of the wheel and tire stay up off the bed floor - in other words hang on the bracket itself?

I'm thinking it would be handy if I could sweep or hose the debris out of the bed without removing the spare.

I don't want to hijack the thread so the following is just food for thought - but for those of us who don't yet have a bracket - wouldn't something like this be pretty easy to make out of a piece of slotted strut channel and a couple of spring nuts and L brackets from the local Home Depot?

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

I think the answer to your first question is they're meant to rest on the floor. Less weight on the user and the bracket.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

I am surprised no one has a picture of the correct wheel retainer bolt !!!!
The spare tire bracket might not be rare, but the hardware seems to be! LOL

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

I'm not so sure its mounted bass akwards.

Every one I have seen since way back was mounted the way mine is. wonder what the factory assembly manual indicates or the parts catolog.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

Here was the location of mine before the bedliner. Sounds like it was definitely an aftermarket location.

http://i.imgur.com/RkSbyzHl.jpg

Here it is now. The holes through the top rail definitely look like a DIY. The upper washer, nut and bolt are your garden variety hardware store quality. The lower mount used only one of the existing bed mounts.

http://i.imgur.com/qDMrXNFl.jpg

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

I don't have the manual in front of me, but this works. On a side note:mm:, say, by chance does anyone have a picture of the correct nut and bolt? SWB a bonus.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/a...1&d=1366718486

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

Another one needing to see what the correct bolt and nut setup looks like. Mine has the one installed at the factory with the factory orange paint on everything. Before I put the tank in the front of the cab I used it all the time and just used an old spare tire mount hook bolt that was in the trunk of one of the cars I scrapped out. When I put the tank under the bed I'll put the spare back in that mount.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

Thanks for the guys that don't have a manual! Odd that they show a double nut on the carriage bolt! Wouldn't that be a hoot to now whats stamped on the head of the carriage bolt! For restorers of course!LOL

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

Also odd that they show the tire lifted off the bed. I guess it would be good to keep the area under the tire clean as 71CHEVYSHORTBED402 suggested, but wouldn't that tend to warp the steel wheel with just one mounting point over time.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

Here is a pic of a selection from the Parts Catalog that I got from another thread. Also, a couple pics of my NOS carriage bolt

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

Redline novdog, sorry nothing interesting stamped on the head of the bolt.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

I haven't been able to find the correct nuts for the bolt or the mounting screws.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

Wow Cericd, those photos are amazing.. bet there aren't too many of those OEM in-bed spare tire mounting bolts floating around at the dealers around the whole USA - especially with the GM part number sticker still on them.. very helpful though.. I might be able to find an equivalent at Fastenal now that I've seen that - for ten times the price..

Just a statement in general and on a related topic regarding these spare carriers - I do think there are two improvements needed: 1.) Locking feature - because even stock steelies are hard to find these days and if you have a brand new $125 balanced tire on your recently powdercoated spare steel wheel you don't wanna just go off and leave it sitting there in the bed tempting people.

2.) A quick release - to pop that spare off and on for cleaning or for loading large items in the bed.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

I was thinking about using some sort of locking lug nut when I install mine.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

That's similar the one in the illustration. And bonus too, you helped locate another bolt for 67-72. That is, it's the right bolt for a carrier type for 67-72. This is the 399714. I found the part days ago, but the number doesn't come up on wiki for 71-72 on search, so wasn't able to confirm. Does anyone know if this nut and bolt is for the carrier on topic, and if so, how does it work?

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...b0&oe=582B136E

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...bc&oe=5832E2C0

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

I think the tire is not in perportion to what is normal. I have a 15r235 tire on a factory rim and ther is no way the mount could support if up off the floor in fact it sits on the floor and still rises a good 4 inches above the side of the bed.

I guesse I;m wrong about whether its monted inward or outward as shown in the fam. Mine has been mounted that way from new, Ditto for several others I have seen.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

Good, Glad to see my hardware chart clip made it here as it supports what I said about the carriage bolt. Being a pretty typical hardware store staple it should be easy to find one.

There are a number of questions running through the thread so I am just going to hit what I can without a lot of quotes.

The spare rests on the floor, the illustration could be clearer in that regard. But the floor in fact is the primary load bearer. The simple fact the tire retention bolt slides freely in the slot should make that plain.

The carrier mounts as shown in the drawing. Tucking under the upper lip, the lower end swoops outboard (away from the centerline) to pickup the fastener line along the edge of the bed floor.

Since the wheel is retained with a lug nut, the provided wrench is all you need to tighten or loosen the wheel for installation or removal. The second back up nut... see post #71.

If you want to lock it, you have two period options. A keyed spare tire lock with a special nut you tightened then a cover f keylocked to, to prevent theft. They were once common as dirt but I am sure years of neglect and lost keys have seriously reduced their number.
The other of course is a chain (or cable) through the center hole around the carrier and one half of the wheel tire assembly. You could even do a full turn around the carrier if you wish.

Since peple seem really hung up on hardware just use what you can and keep looking. Like I said above a hardware store carriage bolt and a lug nut will get you started.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

Good, Glad to see my hardware chart clip made it here as it supports what I said about the carriage bolt. Being a pretty typical hardware store staple it should be easy to find one. That's what I was thinking.

Since peple seem really hung up on hardware just use what you can and keep looking. Like I said above a hardware store carriage bolt and a pair of lug nuts will get you started just add a washer behind the wheel. Washer between the bracket and wheel?

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

If you look above on the parts clip, that part number is used on the Suburban which used an inside mounted spare. It was also apparently used on Blazers. They had several different mounts including screwing it flat to the floor! As far as I know that wing nut/bolt has no place on a fleetside P13 carrier.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

Thanks for the additional info Tim. I should have known I saved that pic from one of your posts. You're always quick to respond with great info on the specifics of these trucks.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

Not to hijack, but does anyone have pics of their truck with the spare tire mounted in the bed using one of these?

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

I would add a thick washer between the back up nut and the wheel to reduce point bending loads on the wheel. No point in messing up a wheel.

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

Thanks Chris!
I should have done a shout out there.
Help when I can but now is not a good time with my kids howling for their dinner.

Later..... :-)

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

If I understand you right, Suburban had a service 10? Didn't know that, I thought that was marked for a c-10, course it doesn't say fleetside etc like the 1023, which doesn't show for 1971, but it's likely correct anyway. Fun!

Here's the 1022, which shows for 69-72 service 10-30. Couldn't tell you what it's for, but I bet it works. Manual says cut to fit.: http://shop.docrebuild.com/1955-1991...GM3991022.aspx

Edit, I found this illustration for a 1022. http://www.discontinuedspares.com/in...ucts_id=435385

Re: Anyone have this original in-bed spare tire carrier mounted?
 

I agree! Can't believe nobody has the factory wheel bolt & nut. I have a 71 with this option- but no bolt or nut