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81ChevyC10inSC 04-23-2019 03:29 PM
I6 to 454 Swap?
 
I have the Gen IV 454 and a TH400. It came out of a 90 or 91 truck. Other than frame mounts needing to be moved. What other issues do i face? Will the Oil pan clear or do i need a new one? I assume i have to have another set of headers as well? OH to add the engine is complete with all the accessories as well. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

sweetk30 04-23-2019 04:12 PM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
for the most part bolt in with the correct frame mounts and engne mounts for the new truck its going in .

and yes exhaust / some small little parts / but to be correct the front coils from I6 to big block are different part #'s for the heavy engine . so if keeping it stock then coil swap . if lowering it try it and or get the correct coils as to desired height .

the rad will need swapped also with the shroud as the big block is a 3 or 4 core over the little one for the 6 cyl .

watch for drive shaft length . and the th400 is prob a 32 spline rear output for the drive shaft yoke over the 27 spline from the old drive-line combo .

tucsonjwt 04-23-2019 04:30 PM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
I don't know about the later models, but my 73 454 and my current 83 454 both used standard V8 truck radiators which were 2 core, but they were thicker than most radiators. The one I currently have in the 83 came from AutoZone and is a thicker 2 core aluminum and plastic one from Spectra. It cools fine in the 100+ degree desert heat. I have given up on copper/brass radiators.

Personally, I would stay away from headers, since the BB takes up a lot of under hood space as it is, but I know a lot of people like headers anyway.

81ChevyC10inSC 04-23-2019 04:40 PM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetk30 (Post 8512319)
for the most part bolt in with the correct frame mounts and engne mounts for the new truck its going in .

and yes exhaust / some small little parts / but to be correct the front coils from I6 to big block are different part #'s for the heavy engine . so if keeping it stock then coil swap . if lowering it try it and or get the correct coils as to desired height .

the rad will need swapped also with the shroud as the big block is a 3 or 4 core over the little one for the 6 cyl .

watch for drive shaft length . and the th400 is prob a 32 spline rear output for the drive shaft yoke over the 27 spline from the old drive-line combo .
I plan on lowering the truck a little, not slamming it. So i might be looking at replacing the front coils anyway. So i would need a new Yoke if i went with the th400 and maybe even a shorter drive shaft is what i am hearing?

CarolinaHD 04-23-2019 04:52 PM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
Which l6 engine do you have now?

81ChevyC10inSC 04-23-2019 11:33 PM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CarolinaHD (Post 8512348)
Which l6 engine do you have now?
The 4.1L 250cid

87 STEPPER 04-24-2019 09:48 PM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
I'm not sure what the roads are like in Greer but if you drop that rat motor in your truck and don't change your front springs your gonna bottom out your suspension and maybe wipe out your lower control arms.

If your gonna lower the truck do it the correct way and either get drop spindles or dropped coil springs for a BBC C10. Don't use the weight of the engine to lower the vehicle and expect it to work like it was designed to.

sweetk30 04-24-2019 11:21 PM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 87 STEPPER (Post 8513173)
I'm not sure what the roads are like in Greer but if you drop that rat motor in your truck and don't change your front springs your gonna bottom out your suspension and maybe wipe out your lower control arms.

If your gonna lower the truck do it the correct way and either get drop spindles or dropped coil springs for a BBC C10. Don't use the weight of the engine to lower the vehicle and expect it to work like it was designed to.
x2 :metal:

81ChevyC10inSC 04-25-2019 04:30 PM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 87 STEPPER (Post 8513173)
I'm not sure what the roads are like in Greer but if you drop that rat motor in your truck and don't change your front springs your gonna bottom out your suspension and maybe wipe out your lower control arms.

If your gonna lower the truck do it the correct way and either get drop spindles or dropped coil springs for a BBC C10. Don't use the weight of the engine to lower the vehicle and expect it to work like it was designed to.
Agree 100%. I will lower it with spindles and i will replace the coils. I dont need to bounce for an hour after hitting a bump. :metal:

81ChevyC10inSC 07-23-2019 11:13 AM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
Just an update that the I6 is out and the 454 is resting in place. Working through the TH400 conversion at this point. Hope to have it up and going by end of the week.

sweetk30 07-23-2019 12:51 PM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
dont forget the kickdown switch on the gas pedal mount under the dash for the th400

lobuck64 07-25-2019 10:16 PM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
Hey just done same swap in my 73 swb step few months back send me a pm if you interested in checking it out I'm about hour away from you

Pano 07-31-2019 07:44 PM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 81ChevyC10inSC (Post 8563487)
Just an update that the I6 is out and the 454 is resting in place. Working through the TH400 conversion at this point. Hope to have it up and going by end of the week.
What did you use for motor mounts for the 454? I have a 91 454 replacing my my 87 GMC 350. I hope to do it over the winter. Thx

81ChevyC10inSC 07-31-2019 10:00 PM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pano (Post 8568270)
What did you use for motor mounts for the 454? I have a 91 454 replacing my my 87 GMC 350. I hope to do it over the winter. Thx
The I6 used the clam shell style on the frame already. We just moved it to the proper location and then used a set of regular engine brackets as the original ones on the I6 are too long. Cant give an exact part number as we sourced them from parts we had from something else. Pretty sure they are engine brackets that came from a SBC.

81ChevyC10inSC 07-31-2019 10:01 PM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetk30 (Post 8563527)
dont forget the kickdown switch on the gas pedal mount under the dash for the th400
Truck is running now and i must be missing something here. Its a 3 speed TH400 so im not sure why a kickdown switch would be needed as it has no OD. Please feel free to learn me something if i am over looking something here.

sweetk30 08-01-2019 10:51 AM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
th400 uses a kickdown switch for the passing gear drop in the trans when you floor it .

th350 uses a cable for this function .



info for pano :

and if swapping a 350 sbc to a 454 chevy its a virtual bolt in swap minus drive brackets for the alt/ p/s pump and such along with the exhaust .

now if your 87 350 is fuel injected like the factory tbi system you will need those parts and computer to make it run correctly . otherwise its a custom burnt chip or carb or aftermarket system .

legendman 08-01-2019 11:09 PM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 87 STEPPER (Post 8513173)
I'm not sure what the roads are like in Greer but if you drop that rat motor in your truck and don't change your front springs your gonna bottom out your suspension and maybe wipe out your lower control arms.

If your gonna lower the truck do it the correct way and either get drop spindles or dropped coil springs for a BBC C10. Don't use the weight of the engine to lower the vehicle and expect it to work like it was designed to.
The big block is a about 260 lbs heavier, I doubt he is going to bottom out his suspension. if it's on stock springs

Quote:
Originally Posted by blkcorvair (Post 5023216)
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81ChevyC10inSC 04-30-2020 04:23 PM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
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Currently what the truck looks like now

Palf70Step 04-30-2020 06:16 PM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
Very Nice!

If you haven't already, I would also look into changing at least your front disk brakes. The 6 normally came with the smaller/thinner rotors. If your changing spindles, get ones that will work with the 1.25" rotor. There is a lot more go in thrat truck now, so some wwhoah would be good.

81ChevyC10inSC 04-30-2020 08:03 PM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Palf70Step (Post 8729292)
Very Nice!

If you haven't already, I would also look into changing at least your front disk brakes. The 6 normally came with the smaller/thinner rotors. If your changing spindles, get ones that will work with the 1.25" rotor. There is a lot more go in thrat truck now, so some wwhoah would be good.
Mine actually had the 1.25" rotor. Had to measure them for my spindles. In that pic it is lowered 2" in front and 4" in the rear. Just have larger wheels on it so it doesnt really look like it. Also changed the upper and lower control arms to tubular added a sway bar in the front.

Palf70Step 04-30-2020 08:20 PM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
Nice!

sweetk30 04-30-2020 08:21 PM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
when i built my rear axle i did the optinial BIG drum size in the rear . had to score a set of 4x4 10 bolt rear backing plates . then i ordered drums / shoes / hd-kit all for the big option size . went together just fine on my older 12bolt rear 5 lug . went from the 2" wide shoe to the 2.75" wide shoe size .

81ChevyC10inSC 04-30-2020 08:33 PM
Re: I6 to 454 Swap?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetk30 (Post 8729395)
when i built my rear axle i did the optinial BIG drum size in the rear . had to score a set of 4x4 10 bolt rear backing plates . then i ordered drums / shoes / hd-kit all for the big option size . went together just fine on my older 12bolt rear 5 lug . went from the 2" wide shoe to the 2.75" wide shoe size .
I have a set of "GM Big Brake" calipers that a guy gave me that i will put on assuming they fit my truck. Might convert the rear to disc but not sure on that yet.


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