Project "49 No Buck$"
 

I figured I'd ask if anyone was interested in building something way on the cheap and still make something cool. I'm in So. Cal. so maybe my version is a little different from the rest of the country, but I figured I'd ask for input. I've been taking pics and keeping track of what I've spent and traded for (LOTS of trading!). Most people that use this site build their own stuff and I thought I'd kick in my 2 cents worth for a cheap little "work" truck project. This is what the truck looks like at the moment (bad phone pic as I haven't brought the chip in to download them from the camera) I see lots of VERY nice trucks in here and after a 3 1/2 year frame up on a bad nasty 72 'Camino I decided to do something quick AND cheap. I'll tell all if anyone is interested... http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...0081652a-1.jpg

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Absolutely!

For starters, what is the subframe out of?

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1981 Malibu wagon with some $100 AIM s-10 spindles! CHEAP!!!

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Where in CA are you?

That subframe looks like it is the perfect width. Do you have pictures of this build?

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What are you asking? If people want to know about your build?

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I'm in the Victorville area. I was asking if anybody wanted to make a down and dirty truck that rides great and sits cool, I'd tell what I know.

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Here's a front view. The bumper and brackets are resting on some wood so I could see how it was going to look. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...220081648b.jpg

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Go ahead! Everyone loves info!

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...........Looks finished too me!!

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Ok... Here goes. I figured I'd start from the back and work my way forward. The wheels I used are Halibrand copies (15x10 & 15x6) I got on Ebay for a little more than $500. The tires are 275/60 & 205/60 for the right rake/look. I needed a narrowed rearend to make the tires fit, but this is where being cheap means being creative. An S-10 rearend would work, but is 1 1/2" too narrow for a wheel/tire with 4 1/2" of total backspace. So I scored a rearend with a plan. Look at the numbers on the glovebox to find out the ratio. I found one with the GU6 code (3:42) with the numbers G80 after (POSI) for next to nothing at our local Pick & Pull. I again went to Ebay for some 1/2" racing wheel studs (around 2 1/4 long about $30) and a set of 3/4" wheel spacers ($35 for the pair). I knocked out the studs with a hammer. Tapped the existing holes (KEEP THEM STRAIGHT) with a 1/2"x20 tap, removed the wheel cylinder (took out the 2 bolts and pulled it back) and screwed in the studs from the back (use washers and some red lock-tite). Now I have my poor mans narrowed rear w/posi and never removed the axles! Here's what it looks like from the inside. Since this is on the cheap, I'll share my mini tub plan as it goes together. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...3/DSCF1133.jpg

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As far as the rear suspension I kind of went against my cheap plan, but the deal was too good to pass up. I scored a brand new TCI rear lowered spring kit in the local paper for $300. I know it kind of backfires my plan, but it's $500 new, so what's a guy to do? I mounted the kit w/3" lowering blocks (I scored from a 4x4 friend for free) to get my basic setup. Figured I'd get it rough and if it was too low, I could always go to a 2" block. So here's how it looked mocked up in place. Now I'm digging it! http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...123081254a.jpg

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Now on to the front! Here's clip I started with after scraping and steam cleaning it. Got it for nothing and it's same suspension stuff as the S-10, so I scored some cheapie 2" drop spindles. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...3/DSCF1134.jpg Next, I took the springs out and used a piece of 12"x 3/8" all thread to set the suspension to ride height (nuts and washers in the shock hole top and some strap on both sides on the bottom. I looked under the car before I cut the front end off to see where the a-arms sat (parallel across the bottom) to have a reference point. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...3/DSCF1135.jpg finally took a sawzall and after measuring to make the ends even, cut the stubs on the back to make the ready to weld to the stock frame rails. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...3/DSCF1137.jpg

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More build pics-----Me Like

Jeff

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I went with the 81 Malibu front suspension for 2 reasons: it was cheap and was 3/4" narrower track width than a Camaro so the wheels would be a little more inboard. Now came the tricky part. The biggest thing on doing a clip is getting the wheelbase the same as stock. after rolling it into the middle of the garage, I put my wheels on the front of the stock axle (was easy because it was already 5 lug). I nailed a set of 2x4's in front and back of the rear wheels so they couldn't move. Next, I slid a 6' piece of 2x2" square tubing against the front and back of the front tires. Taking a black marker I put lines on the concrete to give me a reference point of where my front wheels needed to be. After cutting off the spring perches, we slid the front sheetmetal back on (left the hood in place) and lowered the jack to see where I wanted it at ride height. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...206081339a.jpg After deciding that the bottom of the fender looked *****in' at 4" from the ground (bottom of rim height) I climbed under and found a point on the frame to hold it up evenly on both sides (any spot will work as long as it's the same on both sides) so now the truck is at ride height! http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...3/DSCF1140.jpg 1 1/2" square tubing tack welded to the frame and some 6"x.125" pieces I had laying around worked for my supports. I'll be back after Christmas with the rest of my tale if anybody is still interested. Have a great day tomorrow! Brad

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:welcome2:
Nice looking build Brad.
Everyone here likes pics.
Kim

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I have personally been involved in this project since the beginning when we went down to Yucaipa, California with a rickety trailer and brought it home. Lots of projects claim to be lo-buck, but I can vouch for everything he has done with little or no money. And I thought I was a cheapskate! This is going to be a cool ride that is going to get the wheels driven off of it.

Maybe it'll motivate me to get my '55 on the road!

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cool project! keep those pic's coming and blow by blow tech.

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With as much $ as I have invested in my '54 (and it's still not finished/driveable), I really like this "Lo-buck" approach and have thought of starting another truck with this in mind to get another DD on the road. Keep up the good work!

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MY KINDA BUILD!!!!!!!

Great looking truck TOO:metal::metal:

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looks like the 78' malibu i have sitting is going to become the "low buck build" victim for my 54' burb! do they still call it "victimville"?

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Ok, I'm back! Hope everyone had a great Christmas and yes, it's still victimville! Now where I left off. After the truck is resting on the steel uprights on the front (firewall area) and back of the frame, I made a jig to make my front frame stubs. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...3/DSCF1156.jpg I took the pic after I cut it off but you get the idea. I bent some chunks of .125 over in a vise and tack welded them to a piece of metal I had laying around. I then took a black sharpie and traced the corners on the concrete so I could slide it back when the new clip is on, to see where my bumper stubs go! A rod builder by the name of Dave Gauss told me me these ideas of using your floor as a jig. Great idea!

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The subframe was cut right at the lower a-arm bracket, which was about 12" back from the wheel center. Now we cut the truck frame the same distance back (use your marks you made on the concrete with the 2" square tubing to set your wheelbase length) http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...DSCF1141-1.jpg (note tubing still laying on floor and black marks on concrete for later reference)

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Now I put the wheels on the clip and rolled it into tho hole. I layed my 2" tube behind the tires and put it on the back mark. I then rolled the clip up to where the tires hit (now it's the exact same as stock wheelbase!) and squared it up. Notice the blue circle around the bolt, that hole is the same on both sides and it was the same distance from the rear leaf spring (front hanger pivot) on both sides. I put a bolt in the hole and used that for all my cross measuring. Once I decided it was as even as I could get it, we welded a bunch of little pieces inside before we started fish plating it. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...3/DSCF1144.jpg We used cardboard to make our various templates and used 3/16" cold rolled for the plates. Did most of the cutting with an electric 4" angle grinder with cutoff wheels (cheap!)http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...3/DSCF1145.jpg

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Here is finished welding on both sides. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...3/DSCF1148.jpg http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...3/DSCF1151.jpg So on the next part...

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Now moving to the front of the truck, I cut off 8 1/2" of the front stub. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...3/DSCF1146.jpg Now I slid my front frame stub jig into place (slide back to marks made on concrete) to see where my frame/bumper brackets come out at. I made a crossmember out of 3/16" x 2" square tubing that I welded in place so that the bottom of the tube was the height the top of the stubs needed to be. (whew!) http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...3/DSCF1150.jpg We made the bumper stubs out of some 2x3" 1/4" tubing had laying around (remember cheap!) After everything was welded into place, we welded flat plates (those actually held the truck up for layout and now have a new home!) on the front and tried to fill in everything nicely. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...3/DSCF1149.jpg http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...3/DSCF1152.jpg It looks a little weird, but with the sheetmetal on you can only see the bumper stubs below the grille. So far so good and waaaaay low with all the suspension travel of a stock car (I love low, but don't like my kidneys bleeding from a crappy ride)!

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When installing a Camaro IFS you usually use the upper shock holes to make sure the IFS is square in respect to the AD frame. THe G body shock holes are not symetrical, thus the question....what points did you use on the G body sub frame to measure to?

thanks Don

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Hey Don... On that particular frame there were 2 sets of holes on the back of the frame behind the upper A-arm and another 3 sets in front. We measured out the front AND the back, cross checked them and used both sets. If you have one of those chassis, you can see all the different sets of holes Chevy was so nice to give us. DON'T use the body mount holes as they aren't even close! My shock holes were busy holding the allthread in place anyway, so I couldn't use those if they were straight. Thanks, Brad

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great so far. those pic's are great and the bumper mount is sweet. your having too much fun building your cheap ride.:D

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Here's how the stock motor mounts are located. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...3/DSCF1159.jpg They are too far forward in this spot for what I wanted. Thanks Chevrolet for making LOTS of other holes to move the mounts around! I took the 3 bolts out and slid them back to the next set, which is about an 1 1/4" from the front spot. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...3/DSCF1161.jpg Now I know stuff looks rough and messy, buts that's ok because I'm just building the truck roughly at this moment. When it's all built and all the fab work is done, it will come apart and get sandblasted, painted and put together with new fasteners, bushings, tie rods, etc. so I'm not worrying too much about perfection at this moment. The truck will be new and tight underneath, but like an old truck from the outside. Now that the mounts are slid back, the trans will hit the front of the firewall tunnel. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...3/DSCF1160.jpg I took a pair of channel locks and folded the lip back and under to get an extra 3/4" clearance for the trans ( a few smacks with a hammer to make it nice and even finishes it up) http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...3/DSCF1162.jpg Next up.. Installing an engine and trans to put the exhaust together and installing the 69 Nova fuel tank (more cheap!!!)

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Nice job on the clip! Your truck sits perfect!

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I started on the exhaust with a pile of u-bends (3") that I'd bought on Ebay and a 10' tube of 3" muffler pipe I'd had laying around. Now being the cheap guy I am, I figured I'd rather make it than going to the muffler shop. I had a set of 1 5/8" med. tube Thorley headers and figured I'd start from there. I mocked up the left side and decided move the flange back. I cut off the original flange and after cutting up some bends moved it back another foot and a half. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...111091621a.jpg http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...111091343a.jpg I went the high route because I didn't want the exhaust hanging too low and getting banged up. Next I did the pass. side. I hade to notch the frame a smidge (sorry, I like the word) so I had clearance for engine movement. Did the same with the flange on that side too. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...111091622a.jpg and then ran some pipe to the back of the cab. Trying to keep it all up high I figured I'd mount the mufflers at an angle, plus it keeps them out of the way. I need to finish adding the bolt flanges to the mufflers (thought I had enough and was 1 set short) so I need to finish those. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...118091637b.jpg Ended up using Magnaflow mufflers after deciding I wanted to drive the crap out of this thing and not be deaf from using Flowmasters! Went against my plan, because I already had the flowmasters. Oh well! I gas welded the tubes together and a mig for all the brackets and heavier stuff. After I ran the tubes over the rearend, I decided to kick them out about 2" to the inside of the leafsprings. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...118091637a.jpg You could run them out farther if you wanted, but I hate seeing pipes sticking out of the sides of the truck. I need to finish welding the tubes up and then we move to the fuel tank mounting!

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I've always wanted to ask what clearances should you have on the exhaust. i mean how close should your pipes be to you tank or your bed wood. also how close can you put your exhaust to wires.. what is the norm?
GT
ps i love your welding on your pipes!

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Thanks! I always tried to keep exhaust at least an inch from anything too critical. On this one it will be a little different. Since it was a 3" system, room went away REAL fast. I'll end up wrapping this one in the close areas by the trans, master cylinder and frame. It's about an 1 1/2" away from any part of the fuel tank, so no worries there. I'll also end up covering the trans cooler lines when I run them, so they stay cool also. Hope that helps. By the way... You have a VERY nice truck!!!

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I need a drivers window for this truck. Anybody have anything in not too bad of shape they want to sell? Thanks, Brad

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Here's an illustration I just did for a guy who's doing a VERY cool frame up f100. He wanted to see how it was going to look finished. Should be cool! http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...23/564WEB2.jpg

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When I was a kid my babysitters husban had a 56 F100 painted black with flames. I forget what kind of wheels he had on it at the time but it looked alot like your picture. He still has the truck and it`s still painted the same but now it`s tubbed with a Jag rearend and Centerline Convo Pro`s.

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Any updates?

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Brad, Great project. I am trying to build the same project on the East coast. Are the wheels you have American Racing Hopsters and what are the offsets on the front wheels? I have a sub framed chassis and the hub to hub is 61.5", so I need a narrow wheel and around 4" of offset.
Thanks for sharing your build with us!

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I`m pretty sure these are the wheels he has. you have to scroll down a little to see them

http://jdwheels.com/

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These are the wheels that I want.Anybody else bought them? Quality?
Has anybody bought from this company? With only"10" responses I am a little reluctant to buy from them.
Thanks