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RADustin 02-12-2018 05:06 PM

1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Afternoon all,

I have finally had some time to sit down and document the current project I'm working on. I've found through my previous '49 Chevy build that build threads are super helpful later on after the build and I figure some of you may find this one interesting.

As a forward, most of this story is somewhat on instagram, under #trucknamedsue Some of you already follow there, so if you are wondering this is the same build.

My goal is to have an early squarebody CCSB with a duramax, 4x4, and well executed and sorted to be able to drive it everyday- and anywhere in the country at a moments notice. I had a 2015 Denali Duramax truck and although it was nice, it got boring quickly. So the plan is that truck in a square shell, keeping all the original squarebody nick-nacks that make them super cool and improving where current 70's tech and GM fell short. @duramoose88's truck really was the final inspiration I needed to get moving. His truck-
https://i.imgur.com/e2qm29Z.jpg

Originally back in March 2017 I found a super cool truck on instragram for sale by a badass dude out in New Jersey. I knew better than to get a truck from there but I couldn't hold back. Truck seemed right, price was good, seller was easy to work with, and I wanted it. So I pulled the trigger- bought plane tickets and my buddy and I flew to New Jersey, grabbed the truck and drove back to New Orleans in 2 days. It was a great experience working on the truck at fuel stops, although quite frustrating and trying at times. I'd do it again though.

Truck was a 1976 camper special C20. 454/4speed. it had a previous restoration years back but seemed ok at first. it drove awesome, body wasn't perfect but it was something I could start with and drive while working on working my way to my end goal.

Some pictures of that truck and the trip to get it-

night we got back-
https://i.imgur.com/tYsslIh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/VZZUuMp.jpg

after a wash-
https://i.imgur.com/sngze84.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/LdVQ39f.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/wXGWV0l.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/cQVB9Ad.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/FGPYtNO.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KVzOyrh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KVzOyrh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/0Ngt09b.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/WsqIPkU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/OhlUVpE.jpg

It was a cool truck- but I found a little old lady who wanted it more than me. The excessive bondo and panel replacement made me tire of it quickly and when I received a really good offer I let it go. The lady wanted it to pull her tinyhouse which was the same color, I thought that was sweet. She never sent me pictures of it hooked up but I know it's done well for her.

About the same time I was selling the '76 chevy I found a '76 GMC. This was in June 2017. I was actually on my honeymoon and brokered the deal over facebook. My younger brother found the truck only 2 hrs away so it was too perfect. This truck was an original survivor, never touched. I don't know of any rust in it, but it is a little beat up. I decided this would be the body for my build. I haven't taken it apart yet, and have minimal pictures. I did drive this one home as well, during a tropical storm. lol.

1976 GMC Sierra Classic C35 with 10,000lbs title. 454/turbo 400. Has literally every option you could get in '76. It also has the correct early style doors which the yellow truck did not have- and bummed me out. So this was important. Also the colors are hideous and just perfect for the build, so I will be respraying it this factory brown/white. Note the white on the insert is not OE but resprayed soon after purchase.
https://i.imgur.com/xOBOT4T.jpg

bed is rough, but I won't use any of it.
https://i.imgur.com/5GgS7GU.jpg

While I was looking for the C35 and had the C20 I made a trip to Dallas TX to get some parts from a Texas Square Bodies. He has a good inventory of used parts, and is honest as they come.

I picked up a crewcab, fenders, bed floor and front panel, and some door panels and other little pieces. Later I went back and got a frame to cut on and also a super rare GMC tailgate. This allowed me to leave whatever truck I had on the road while I built a roller to swap the body on.

Frame was longer than my '18 trailer LOL-
https://i.imgur.com/k4pVYty.jpg




So this is where the build thread basically starts. I ad the '76 GMC as my body, and plenty of extra parts to get started. I originally did a first round of fabrication to get all the bits I had at the time as far as I could take them while I continued to plan, plan, and plan the build. more on that later.

when I made it back with the frame I got it in the shop with the forklift and laid out the cut for the shortbed. Frame was decent shape, just had to cut off old homemade gooseneck and a few other brackets to clean it up-
https://i.imgur.com/94eeOxC.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3IuzdJ2.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/uAEyBPT.jpg

frame cut and back together. took 14" out.
https://i.imgur.com/rOaGh5t.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/puiFElm.jpg

strength was a concern as I plan to use this truck to tow with a gooseneck when done. So I beveled and welded the inside first, then back gouged the outside and welded that up for a nice full penetration weld. I then used pieces that were removed and braced the inside of the rails over the cut. Not too much to cause stress risers but enough to support the cut area.

https://i.imgur.com/bwOUGzm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Oz1bJxO.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/s5DzysV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/E4NX2pc.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/FVYr0ps.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/A5ouIa3.jpg

took 6" off the back. The frame had some random hitch welded on, so this was the best solution. I filled and moved the factory bumper holes and bed mounting holes.
https://i.imgur.com/tuydkXV.jpg

test fit with some shortbed tanks. Got these from my buddy in Dallas as well.
https://i.imgur.com/jbnTOOF.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/VJV9Yus.jpg

cleaned up a bit more and frame was off to sandblasting/prime-
https://i.imgur.com/uUK1WEw.jpg

the radiator support also needed some rust repair before it was blasted and primed. I've since realized it's bent so I will need to fix that-
https://i.imgur.com/pPSZf2E.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4CKSxdk.jpg

The tailgate I blasted, epoxied, blocked and filled and blocked, and polyester primed. It had been hit right on the M in the GMC but I got it all pulled out and put back right.
https://i.imgur.com/Jtgjl1L.jpg

The final item I worked on in my initial fab push was the bedfloor. It was damaged from the original bedside removal so I fixed it up.
https://i.imgur.com/n6walAh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/WM3ugJu.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/xxDgh3a.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/283NqF8.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/J5k33Ry.jpg


That's good for this first post. I'll continue the next chapter in a reply. :metal:

phillipm 02-12-2018 05:17 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Maybe resize the pictures down? They're so big I can't see them.

RADustin 02-12-2018 06:16 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phillipm (Post 8186200)
Maybe resize the pictures down? They're so big I can't see them.

should be better. I really wanted to use dropbox to host as I pay for the service but it just wasn't going to happen. I have since moved everything to imgur.

RADustin 02-12-2018 06:52 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
The idea of this truck originally started as wanting to build a crewcab 67-72. But I didn't want a custom body so I came to the decision to do an early square.

Before I purchased anything I did some decent feasibility studies to see if my plans would work, and if not how to modify them to work and fit/function.

Using a long bed frame drawing I found on the internet and a .dxf body I purchased, I got everything put in CAD. I'm a mechanical engineer by degree and design heavy equipment for a living, so it's second nature to realize everything in 3D CAD before a single piece of material is purchased.

Some of my earliest model progressions using stock square frame, 05+ Ford front D60, and LML Duramax rear axle, engine and trans. Original plans were coil springs in the front and leafs in the rear.



It can be noted that the LML radiator did not fit in the model and this proved to be true in real life.

I purchased a 2014 LML donor from copart out of Houston. Its about 60k miles, 4x4 with manual case. Involved in a flip accident but ran and drove once I welded the front suspension on it and got a key cut.
https://i.imgur.com/KedIpUa.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/jv2ETDK.jpg

Out of the truck came the LML Duramax. Which is massive with twin EGRs. Designed and built a pallet to move it around the shop.


https://i.imgur.com/bjR71lz.jpg

With the frame back from blasting/priming I went ahead and threw my extra cab on it, with some random front sheetmetal and coresupport. This allowed me to get some 3D scanning done and look at radiator options.

3D scanning the firewall-
https://i.imgur.com/HgpvqYF.jpg



fits the linesketch of the body perfect-


I knew the LML cooling stack was too large. But I wanted to try the LBZ/LMM stack. Luckily my brother let me borrow one he had.

LBZ/LMM compared to LML-
https://i.imgur.com/Vm4nMXP.jpg

LBZ in the truck, obviously won't work. It'll have to be LB7/LLY-
https://i.imgur.com/h5KQQdb.jpg

Also realized with the scan it was going to be hard to fit the trans in a stock tunnel. I knew from research though that it has been done, but only in factory 4x4 trucks. So I sourced a tunnel, both the bolt in half and the weld in half.

Comparison-
https://i.imgur.com/ZJcfWhc.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/JTgp1vi.jpg

I was able to put this data in CAD to place the engine/trans. Got the front suspension 4 link and front crossmember, engine mounts, and trans mounts designed. Steering bits was left on hold, as was coilover mounts. In the process of designing I went away from coils in favor of coilovers. Also will use air springs in rear with a level controller.

RADustin 02-12-2018 07:07 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Once the designs were solidified I went ahead and ordered all the material laser cut. This started the second major fabrication push on this project.

Much of the parts were broke on a brake I got from SWAG offroad. I modified it a little but it works well, especially for the price. There is also some machined DOM for the bushing tubes and machined aluminum bushing simulators to hold everything true while fitup and welding. Better than using the actual bushings.

Pallet of goodies-
https://i.imgur.com/uJvOAzQ.jpg

Front crossmember, full of internal gusseting-
https://i.imgur.com/xfCyGrH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KNwSdoR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/LvFzbnH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/CaQAxtq.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Kx3Zv8o.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Fefz9ap.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/cvkWIiM.jpg

Internal frame stiffeners-
https://i.imgur.com/owGtvyy.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UdgVH4D.jpg

Trans crossmember. Made from 3x4x3/16" with some dimpled/broke plates-
https://i.imgur.com/QBdbvD2.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/S3ja3aQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/0jUIFwA.jpg

Machined DOM for engine mount bushings.
https://i.imgur.com/ti0Zbnf.jpg

Engine mount, engine sides mocked up-
https://i.imgur.com/LGUMUoM.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Hy3iH9I.jpg

The frame braces/engine mounts were tough to bend but came out nice-
https://i.imgur.com/gRwXQC3.jpg

had to make a little lower die for the press-
https://i.imgur.com/JVMBGwZ.jpg

All the engine mounts-
https://i.imgur.com/yFBFKpC.jpg

Once everything was fabbed up I drilled a few holes and test fit everything. Dropped the engine in to check clearances. Fits well. Didn't put a cab over it yet but I'm hopeful it all clears. If not I'll cut the sheetmetal at this point.
https://i.imgur.com/AajXZmC.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SdMnx7F.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UsFGKeB.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/cek3beC.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/c1AdMVm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/CIX1lDg.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qOSRxck.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rFRDmPO.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/5mRAk3r.jpg

Dads79GMC 02-12-2018 09:07 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
That is some cool fab work!! Well done!

Mike

RADustin 02-12-2018 11:29 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
This post should get this thread up to current. My end of year goal last year was to have the bed in primer. I used a used floor and front bulkhead with new LMC bedsides.

I want dual tanks, so I had to add the fuel filler to the bedside, it was fully tac'd before being ground smooth front and back-
https://i.imgur.com/KCdwY2D.jpg

The bedside fitment was terrible. I had to come along things into place to get a decent gap from the main bodyline down. Then cut off the flange on the upper tailgate gaps on both bedsides and remake to fit.
https://i.imgur.com/JrKPsvh.jpg

taillights didn't fit in their holes, had to cut the little tab loose and move it-
https://i.imgur.com/vOBq49H.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TOexr62.jpg

gap sucked-
https://i.imgur.com/adbl4Df.jpg

front bulkhead had broken threaded tabs so I made some new ones-
https://i.imgur.com/56sxCxq.jpg

but I did get the bed and tailgate final primed-
https://i.imgur.com/2tAWcIg.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/m3B4KUM.jpg

I finished designing the rear suspension. Using the 2014 AAM axle, Fox 2.5 shocks and firestone air springs. Late model Dodge 2500 application sway bar.

cleaned rear axle for new perches-
https://i.imgur.com/ltu2V3b.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/cWHYafi.jpg

new perches cut on cnc plasma from 6x3x3/8" tubing. heavy stuff..
https://i.imgur.com/WXH1daO.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/JZejspZ.jpg

and stuck to axle-
https://i.imgur.com/ByOJ3DE.jpg

modified B&W hitch from LML truck to work. Was too wide, u bolt spacing off from bed floor, and changed bolt pattern.
https://i.imgur.com/SZdo7nX.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/i0GBHHg.jpg

rear fox shocks-
https://i.imgur.com/cL6ddk7.jpg

started on rear gooseneck crossmembers. 2x3x3/16". slugged holes.
https://i.imgur.com/jCpSg4M.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4JIEUBK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8a3np7s.jpg

picked up Ford front axle-
https://i.imgur.com/u4yUxPV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/YxrfGuQ.jpg

finally, I deleted the EGR in the passenger up-pipe.
https://i.imgur.com/7ohqf37.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Zo5Qf4T.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/LPvdK31.jpg


I'm currently waiting for the next round of laser cut parts for the rear to show up. Then fabrication part 3 will begin and last until the axles are under the frame and it's basically a roller. Then more design work on steering, front coilover buckets..etc.

Indyfab 02-12-2018 11:48 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Very impressive fabrication. Pretty jealous of the laser cut parts.

Low Elco 02-13-2018 09:13 AM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Great stuff! I gotta get me some CAD skills. It's bad when making stuff is the easy part, figuring out what to make is hard!

RADustin 02-13-2018 09:41 AM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dads79GMC (Post 8186377)
That is some cool fab work!! Well done!

Mike

Thanks sir!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indyfab (Post 8186560)
Very impressive fabrication. Pretty jealous of the laser cut parts.

Thanks! Laser is the way to go for sure. I have basic free access to CNC plasma and I still pay out the nose for laser. Totally worth it. P&O plate is also the trick.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Low Elco (Post 8186739)
Great stuff! I gotta get me some CAD skills. It's bad when making stuff is the easy part, figuring out what to make is hard!

Man you say that! The better you get in CAD, the more tools you need/need access to. It's a vicious circle of spending money on truck VS spending on tools. It also makes a project very cyclic, where your working very hard- then stuck designing, then working again... but the integration you can achieve with CAD is unbelievable. When everything fits together and you took allowances from one part to fit another and everything lines up, it's pretty sweet.

RADustin 02-13-2018 09:48 AM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
I bought a sweet grill from a member here on the site. Using it I designed some custom badges that I haven't cut yet but will cut later and have my sign painter brother fill in with color.

grill-
https://i.imgur.com/xkrld7M.jpg

The GMC logo continues the center bar through it. and is a bit larger than factory-
https://i.imgur.com/xbRZun9.jpg

Engine Badge-
https://i.imgur.com/IPow4Ik.jpg

kinda mocked up-
https://i.imgur.com/fpt1OzC.jpg

They should be neat. The GMC and engine badge have the upwards angle in them that the factory ones have. I'm waiting to get the truck together though to ensure the factory angle is good for seeing them based on the height. The truck will have about a 4" lift kit, on 35's/20's.

aggie91 02-15-2018 03:40 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Awesome thread. What CAD package are you using?

RADustin 02-15-2018 03:43 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aggie91 (Post 8188825)
Awesome thread. What CAD package are you using?

solidworks 2013. Been in SW since 2006.

Flames97 02-15-2018 04:01 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Wow!! Nice fab work!! Following!

Devilman 02-15-2018 05:16 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Wow again!! Very nice build!!

SCOTI 02-16-2018 10:43 AM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Very nice. Impressive work on the various brackets & pieces for the x-members. It's nice to know how to utilize design software & have access to certain equipment to bring your ideas to reality on an engineered level.

RADustin 02-16-2018 12:59 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Thanks Gentlemen. Should have some decent updates soon.

STOCKISH 02-17-2018 02:04 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Absolutely amazing. Can’t wait for more!

COS399 02-17-2018 03:31 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
I'm jealous. This is an awesome build and can't wait to see it all done. I love the squares and like the ideal of mixing the old look with modern technology. Keep up the great work and keep us posted often. :metal: :metal: :metal:

STOCKISH 02-17-2018 04:33 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Wondering if you would have any interest in producing and selling those c-channel shaped frame stiffeners for us crew cab guys to bolt inside the frame where the 14” is taken out when we cut them for SWB.

RADustin 02-19-2018 09:31 AM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by STOCKISH (Post 8190447)
Absolutely amazing. Can’t wait for more!

me either! I need a crewcab back as a daily.


Quote:

Originally Posted by COS399 (Post 8190519)
I'm jealous. This is an awesome build and can't wait to see it all done. I love the squares and like the ideal of mixing the old look with modern technology. Keep up the great work and keep us posted often. :metal: :metal: :metal:

yep, I think so too. I'm retaining all the ABS, stabilitrak, integrated trailer brakes, and many creature comforts electrical wise from the donor truck. So it should be nice. It'll be neat to have onstar.


Quote:

Originally Posted by STOCKISH (Post 8190564)
Wondering if you would have any interest in producing and selling those c-channel shaped frame stiffeners for us crew cab guys to bolt inside the frame where the 14” is taken out when we cut them for SWB.

probably. I'd need a little more info on exactly what you're looking for, and if 1 ton/crewcab, 3/4 ton or 1/2 ton.

RADustin 03-19-2018 11:39 AM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
whelp, finally time for a decent update. Got my next order of laser parts in, wrong material but I used it anyways. I prefer to work with P&O plate but for some reason the laser shop thought standard A36 black plate was a perfect substitute.:devil:

so anyways, I used it all just cleaned it well with a scrubber wheel and alcohol before welding.

Pallet of parts-
https://i.imgur.com/XgQd5i6.jpg

all of these parts are rear end parts, so I started with the frame side 4 link brackets.

bent some metal and getting fit up, the aluminum bushing spacers are critcal-
https://i.imgur.com/aHjuvuh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gbG9wzW.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/A1Sdp2d.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/hg5lFWF.jpg

bottom axle saddles bent and fit up. These have shock mounts and sway bar mounts integrated.-
https://i.imgur.com/RMvUwBC.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/aJjkZEV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/591sreZ.jpg

upper bag brackets- also hold bump stops, upper shock mount and sway bar end link. started by bending out all these pieces-
https://i.imgur.com/wuK380a.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rwouCr8.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/yP4bav9.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/hKrhM9h.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/2A1jcUK.jpg

machined the centering pins for the rear axle 4 link/bag brackets out of chromoly rod.
https://i.imgur.com/wItdVaG.jpg

fitting up the axle side brackets-
https://i.imgur.com/sDrOeKX.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/WFt9sbN.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gWA50rW.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/5KxTEWc.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Z9nFjWo.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gaMjkci.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/2vc7kNb.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3vps8TB.jpg

frame side brackets fitted-
https://i.imgur.com/6r0JuA7.jpg

inner stiffeners/gooseneck mounts-
https://i.imgur.com/iaZGfI4.jpg

gooseneck crossmembers. I really like how the transition/gussets worked out.
https://i.imgur.com/gA50J2s.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ex2Ujak.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/niPq6jY.jpg

building out the 4-link and panhard. All the tubes are cut, faced flat, weld prepped, and drilled for plug welding. Quite a bit of work. They are tac'd up now, waiting for final welding until I am 100% on lengths.
https://i.imgur.com/7kKScI6.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/LUq0Wwp.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/znjQowK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/jEbHLtV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/djmo9z3.jpg

with the rear end linked and sitting on the airbags, the engine and trans was able to be set back in to keep mocking/measuring and working with the CAD model.
https://i.imgur.com/zy53NHs.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/z61RcPC.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/P3movXl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/tWLga9P.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fKa31qy.jpg

so that's pretty much caught up to current. Just a ton of fab work, but making steady progress.

Will post some more in a few days.

tinydb84 03-19-2018 12:22 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Wow man. Just...wow.

Devilman 03-19-2018 01:37 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Soooo ummm when can I drop my 78 off for this same engine mount & suspension setup??? Lol but seriously I'd buy the entire kit from you if you wanna make a copy of yours.

Is there a big difference in widths between the 05+ ford axle and the AAM rear? I've been searching for a GM Dana 60 front axle but they're either junk or $1000+ still needing rebuilt. I've found loads of the 05+ ford axle with low miles for cheap and would like to use one of them.

aggie91 03-19-2018 03:15 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
That's one heck of an update. Totally blown away.

Devilman 03-19-2018 04:13 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RADustin (Post 8215749)
Thanks man. I checked out your work, looking nice!



kicking around the idea. that was the plan with making everything bolt on, is eventually offering it as a kit. It's a TON of work to make what I've done so far. I feel like I could do an entire frame quicker. I'm not sure what the future holds, I just want to get this first kit done and on the road for some testing. We'll see after that.

Not all GM AAMs are the same. I'm using the LML variant, 2011+. It's a little wider than the earlier 2010- AAMs. Not sure what AAM you have?

Bolt pattern has been a major topic lately with the end decision to keep the 8x170 everywhere. So I will be machining the rear hubs for it, and drilling the rotors. Also going to be swapped to the 60tooth ABS tone rings in the rear to match the front. Basically my front D60 will be bone stock and the rear will have all the modifications to work. I'd rather have drilled rear hubs(non wear item) than drilled front unit bearings(wear item). It sucks the rotors will be 'custom' but it's not the end of the world.

The difference in width between the axles is 0.394" per side, with the front axle being wider. (71.496" vs 70.709") I attached a pic as well to show.

I've got an 08 dodge dually AAM rear. But I can get my hands on an 11+ axle easily. I'd do way with the abs and use a free-spin kit with a 8 on 6.5 bolt pattern on the front 05+ axle.....that was my thought process anyways on having everything the same bolt pattern.

Devilman 03-19-2018 05:28 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RADustin (Post 8215781)
the free spins are just $$. Especially considering the units are plenty strong and already there.

But it certainly is an option.

That was my only option to retain the 8 on 180 if I wanted.

A '14 Dodge AAM is 71.574".

Oh yeah they're definitely expensive, only reason I'd use a free-spin kit is I've already got one for the ford axle, found it on Craigslist for less than a grand so I jumped on it.
Fab work is looking awesome bud, let me know on the suspension & engine mount kit, I'm ready

RADustin 03-20-2018 11:54 AM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
man that's a steal!

yep- for sure I'll let you know. I can't bring myself to sell anything though until I've beat the crap out of it personally and I know it's 100%.

When that happens you'll know.

RADustin 03-28-2018 10:25 AM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Moving along.

Front axle side 4-link ends bent up, fit, welded, and tac'd to bars to hang front axle. I will have to take the ends back off to finish welding everything but I wanted to fit up the front axle before I got too far.
https://i.imgur.com/sBItYRp.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7iI418H.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7rKUnU1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/K9LFseJ.jpg

swung the D60 underneath.
https://i.imgur.com/Hoxsfj0.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/CmLGRcc.jpg

I wanted to check a bunch of different things next. The body mounts I made, the engine/trans fitment, and the front wheelbase. So I need to get my cab off the donor and ready to go.

The donor '76. C35, true camper special with 10,000lbs title. The bed is wrecked, but I won't use it. Only using the cab and front clip, plus interior items.
https://i.imgur.com/I2J9xUY.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/aVHKGsM.jpg

I didn't touch the mechanical systems. I'm hoping to sell the frame as a roller, running.
https://i.imgur.com/Hiqq3Oh.jpg

cab getting cleaned up, vacuumed out. It's real clean. I only found 2 rust through spots, under two of the cab clearance lights. I further stripped the firewall to nothing. I won't be using the stock AC or anything.
https://i.imgur.com/kMXDzsl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/bzytlXC.jpg

to get the 4x4 tunnel in and effectively convert my 2wd cab to a 4x4 cab, I started by laying the weld in half in and marking around it.
https://i.imgur.com/tSVtakD.jpg?1

then I offset the marker line with tape to make the cut line. also mapped out the front bolt in half.
https://i.imgur.com/Ap7NNdJ.jpg

cut out the rear half and cleaned the bottom of the lip. This was terrible work. I use weld thru primer on the weld in parts lip and the cab side lip to help prevent rust. I'll also seam seal everything later on.
https://i.imgur.com/lJTAs4x.jpg

drilled for plug welds and celco'd in the weld in half from the bottom.
https://i.imgur.com/5YBcrcT.jpg?1

welded in. I perfer to TIG the rosette welds so I can heat everything up, fill, then keep the heat on letting it all flow. Also cut front half. I didn't cut front and back out of cab at once to keep as much material in there at all times.
https://i.imgur.com/8BfLG70.jpg

test fit front bolt in piece.
https://i.imgur.com/pLfDciX.jpg

Then I was able to test fit the cab. It fits perfect. I'm very happy. The ride height is a little low for what it'll be final, but its close. and ofcourse the final tires will be bigger.
https://i.imgur.com/8lh6GZv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/f3PM2vY.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rgGiU1J.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/iepqEwe.jpg

to get the bed ready, I needed to remove the center crossmember from the bed floor. from my research, some beds got this piece and some didn't. My bed floor had it, but it would be in the way of the gooseneck, so I removed it. Drilled the spot welds and popped it out-
https://i.imgur.com/ItNg2dm.jpg

since I used a small pilot hole and a 3/8" annular cutter to drill out the spot welds, I had the small pilot hole to fill in the bed floor. I drill my pilots all the way through. So I TIG'd up these little holes and smoothed top and bottom.
https://i.imgur.com/KZfh80J.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8k7oF8O.jpg

and that's caught up with current. I hope to test fit the bed and check rear wheelbase soon. I need to order lots of parts and figure out steering and front track bar. Also have some engine items to handle.

Update again in a few days. :metal:

Devilman 03-28-2018 12:33 PM

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Oh man it looks perfect!! Im leaving mine a dually and love the ride height you have now, maybe slightly taller to clear 37s. What tire/wheel size are you going with?
I might be interested in the dually bed if the floor is good, the floor in my bed is junk.

Where'd you find the back section of the tunnel? I've already got the front bolt in section (well the 2wd manual version which I think is the same minus the transfer case shifter hole) I could easily fab up a full tunnel that'd clear but I'd like to stay with stock 4wd parts.

Sry for all the rambling questions I'm just really digging your build! Lol

RADustin 03-28-2018 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Devilman (Post 8224115)
Oh man it looks perfect!! Im leaving mine a dually and love the ride height you have now, maybe slightly taller to clear 37s. What tire/wheel size are you going with?
I might be interested in the dually bed if the floor is good, the floor in my bed is junk.

Where'd you find the back section of the tunnel? I've already got the front bolt in section (well the 2wd manual version which I think is the same minus the transfer case shifter hole) I could easily fab up a full tunnel that'd clear but I'd like to stay with stock 4wd parts.

Sry for all the rambling questions I'm just really digging your build! Lol

my bed is toast. Since you're in Dallas you're very near to Texas Square Bodies. He will have nice beds.

I'm going to run 35x12.50s. The current height is probably an inch or two low. Give or take. I am a little concerned I may be too high. We'll see.

the 2wd high hump is different than the 4wd. you'll need the 4wd bolt in tunnel and a donor cab section. I got my parts from azpartslocator.

see the attached PDF. It shows the different in humps.

Low Elco 03-28-2018 01:08 PM

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Great work! I gotta ask, Do you just have your own warehouse? This thing's gotta be taking up a bunch of room!

Devilman 03-28-2018 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RADustin (Post 8224125)
my bed is toast. Since you're in Dallas you're very near to Texas Square Bodies. He will have nice beds.

I'm going to run 35x12.50s. The current height is probably an inch or two low. Give or take. I am a little concerned I may be too high. We'll see.

the 2wd high hump is different than the 4wd. you'll need the 4wd bolt in tunnel and a donor cab section. I got my parts from azpartslocator.

see the attached PDF. It shows the different in humps.

I forget about Texas Square Bodies, I'll holler at him about a bed.
I had thought there was a difference in the tunnels but didn't realize they're that different. Thanks for the pics and I'll check out azpartslocator. Do they have new 4wd crew tunnels or take outs? You know of anyone making a new replacement tunnel or the entire 4wd tunnel front and rear? I've searched but haven't found any.

RADustin 03-28-2018 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Low Elco (Post 8224138)
Great work! I gotta ask, Do you just have your own warehouse? This thing's gotta be taking up a bunch of room!

Thanks.

I work out of a flex warehouse my Dad has to support his automotive shop. Sometimes I have lots of space, sometimes nearly none. But no complaints as it's a nice spot.

Most of the truck parts are on a huge pallet rack I access with the forklift. So the footprint of the project is smaller than you'd imagine.

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Originally Posted by Devilman (Post 8224159)
I forget about Texas Square Bodies, I'll holler at him about a bed.
I had thought there was a difference in the tunnels but didn't realize they're that different. Thanks for the pics and I'll check out azpartslocator. Do they have new 4wd crew tunnels or take outs? You know of anyone making a new replacement tunnel or the entire 4wd tunnel front and rear? I've searched but haven't found any.

no replacements. You need to source good used parts. There was a front bolt in piece that just sold on here a few weeks ago. Check ebay.

I like the OEM route because you have to cut through the main crossmember of the cab. So it's nice to have a sturdy part to put back in that would be kind of a bear to fabricate.

LT7A 04-16-2018 10:18 AM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
This is phenomenal to watch. I feel like I'm sitting in on a build at some sort of a GM skunkworks.

Devilman 04-20-2018 10:52 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Bump for some updates!!

RADustin 04-24-2018 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LT7A (Post 8239671)
This is phenomenal to watch. I feel like I'm sitting in on a build at some sort of a GM skunkworks.

probably the coolest words spoken about the truck yet:metal:

Wouldn't it be the coolest if GM directly sponsored some of these old truck builds by opening up their old drawing packages and full from the bins of previously design parts? Maybe that's just my dream but I think it'd be sweet.

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Originally Posted by Devilman (Post 8243570)
Bump for some updates!!

yep!

So I lost about a 10 days of any progress ~2 weeks ago. Got randomly really sick, bad vertigo. So no 3D model progress, no nothing. but, been moving along well other than that.

got the bed dropped on. Wheelbase looks good, but bed to body lines are off considerably. Still not exactly sure the problem, I think it's the aftermarket bedsides. Either way, I'll find a way to get everything in tune.

https://i.imgur.com/t9E9rgC.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kcW6DHJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/NPNqE04.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/J7Qivpm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/nA366t5.jpg

put the rear bumper on to make sure I cut the frame correctly. It isn't adjusted, but the stick out is right from the back of the bed. so that is a good.

https://i.imgur.com/CEnNul6.jpg

downpipe fits well.

https://i.imgur.com/RinopWa.jpg

so then I switched gears for a bit. I needed some major 3D model progress on the front suspension. Although the axle was hung on the 4 link, that is as far as I went with design. So I ordered up a redhead box, specific for what I'm doing. Ordered a pitman, all the stuff for the rebuild on the front axle, and some other nic-nac to add into the model. I'll make a seperate update on just model stuff.

Box of goodies from Rockauto. They are the best.

https://i.imgur.com/kLtaUSk.jpg?1

So anyways, been back round working on 3D model, while also pushing forward on fab.

The core support has been lingering. I been avoid it to be honest. I knew it was going to be toughest part of my swap. I wanted it to look fairly OEM, use stock LB7 parts, use mechanical fan and OEM LB7 fan shroud. OH and I didn't have any of these 3D models, so everything was going to have to be figured out shop level.

Initial fit up, the cooling stack from the LB7 is much more massive than anything the squares came with. The lower intercooler mounts are basically right on top of the core support mounts, so I knew it'd be fun to figure all this out.

https://i.imgur.com/uKqRtXw.jpg

I laid out all of my cuts, and made some of them. I wanted to build the new vertical posts first before I cut the meat out, so I can align everything prior to cutting out the center. Going a full 48" wide of opening.

The new posts will spot weld in like factory. And they wrap around the backside on the opening to give a very finished OEM look.

https://i.imgur.com/WL96CAm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SbxG17L.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EJb1gpm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6DXQOJ0.jpg

used my level to ensure everything is on the same plane.

https://i.imgur.com/FpyDCcl.jpg

for the outer halves I hammer formed the lip. So made templates and cut lots of MDF. One pattern brought the lip to 90, and another to 135°. So two forms for each side. Also my brake I wanted to use is short, so I had to two each half in halfs. Lots of pieces here.

https://i.imgur.com/L7UKSDB.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/2H8pe0P.jpg

hammer formed lip follows the contours of the headlight bucket nicely.

https://i.imgur.com/k9j8rZ3.jpg

once the verticals were tac'd up I braced up the bottom of the support to cut the center.

I machined locators for the stock mounting pickups so I can retain the angle and position. They have a raised face that fits the stock hole tight.

https://i.imgur.com/Gumf14M.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/IfIWQHs.jpg

center removed.

https://i.imgur.com/BKb3TqV.jpg

to terminate the ends of the new center to the old outers I made some offsets out of 1x2x16ga tube. Very angular to match the shapes well.

https://i.imgur.com/O1NOlen.jpg

The new frame mounts are cups made from 1.5" HREW with plates welded on the bottom. After welding I machined the weld with a little radius so they look nice.

https://i.imgur.com/DOvVZm5.jpg

things getting fit up. The spanner tube is again 1x2 and is flush with the outside of the new verticals. This is how the offsets fit.

https://i.imgur.com/2UrbI7z.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pzi5X4Y.jpg

mounting cups finished out and fitted to jig.

https://i.imgur.com/VeGhn6G.jpg

marked crossbar for cuts. cut and fit in mounting cups.

https://i.imgur.com/VGU2tOn.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/O9ZiAki.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZUmBTRl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GgE0Y8J.jpg

trimed cups, fitting back in place

https://i.imgur.com/V3qBu08.jpg

I welded things in a very specific order to minimize warping the support. So basically I welded in the cups, then straightened the spanner bar, then welded the bar in.

https://i.imgur.com/wY6Dfwe.jpg

re-fit radiator in place with full shroud. everything looks good except I'll have to shade the radiator to the drivers side to make the fan shroud line up. I completely forgot during my engine mount design that GM offsets the engine to the drivers side about 5/8".

https://i.imgur.com/nOqQ4XQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZjIRpMn.jpg

once the refit was done I took tons of measurements and ordered some material to make the upper radiator mounts from. In the meantime I started forming the lower intercooler mounts. They will also brace things considerably.

https://i.imgur.com/y0tyI6u.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/LbuXDeN.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/dUPetCB.jpg

I'll keep working on these this week until I leave for Talladega. But hopefully the core support will be finished soon.

I'll make another post about the model updates.

RADustin 04-24-2018 01:42 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
3D model updates.

As I mentioned earlier, the front looks alot more complete than it is. So I set out to get that finished up so I can officially have a roller.

The coil towers where sort of drawn early on, but setup for 8" Kings. I change them for the 10" Foxes. I also added a cross over bar, over the top of the duramax to connect both towers to keep from rolling the frame rails.

The factory Ford panhard mount wasn't going to work, so I removed that and designed my own. I ordered a Reid Racing high steer knuckle for the 2005+ Ford D60. Also steering box from redhead and a jeep TJ pitman. I'll be using GM 1-ton TREs on the drag link and the factory ford tie rod. Using all the dimensions of the selected components, and physicals of the redhead box, I sized the length and position of the TRE on the Reid high steer knuckle. The steer arm bends over to line up much closer to the king pin axis so that the truck will steer the same left as right. The ratios are set so that the steering wheel angle will give similar road wheel angles as the stock LML truck. This is so the ABS system and stabilitrak will work. I will be mounting a steering wheel angle sensor to the column to monitor this.

so anyways, lots of fun design work. challenging to get all the fitments right, keep it looking nice, and making sure it'll function correctly with all the fancy LML electronics.

I did 3D scan the drivers inner fender and steering box. I'll work on cleaning up the inner fender more and get it 'mounted' as close as I can to real so hopefully I can pull some templates out the model when it comes time to cut it up for the coil towers. The steering box was done to ensure fitment.



I'm just starting to finish sorting the rear out. Looking to get the spare tire under the bed [hopefully!] and get a hitch out there. But, the spare tire fitment is VERY tight. The hitch shown is from the LML and just for kicks while I think about it. I'll probably run a class 3/4 hitch and not the 5 that the LML is. I don't really tow heavy bumper pull trailers.

I'll progress this in the coming days. The plan being that the remainder of everything can be cut in one more laser order. Then just small nic-nacs after that my brother can cnc plasma for me.


:chevy:

Low Elco 04-24-2018 03:13 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
This is gonna be so awesome.

Palf70Step 04-24-2018 04:08 PM

Re: 1976 CCSB Duramax Project #trucknamedsue
 
Great looking build! I am looking forward to seeing more on it.


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