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Old 10-24-2016, 05:07 PM   #1
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I am STUMPED! Strange problem in 440/120 circuit

I will try and make this as short as possible but really need to go into detail to show what I'm dealing with. My truck is a '88 V30 454 tbi.

First of all a couple of months ago I installed 2 brand new Delphi fuel pumps and a new fuel tank selector valve. All has been good and I have been alternating tanks every time I fill up.

Last weekend my ECM B fuse blew while running the passenger side tank. I replaced the fuse and when I tried to start it, it blew again. I switched to the drivers side pump and replaced the fuse and the truck started and ran fine. I drove it for several days on the drivers side tank and then my ECM fuse blew again with the truck at operating temperature on the highway.

I crawled under the truck along highway and unplugged both fuel pump pigtails and replaced the fuse. When I turned the key on it immediately blew the fuse on either tank selected. I had to be towed home.

The next morning the truck was cool and I replaced the fuse and turned to key to the on position and the fuse did not blow. So I reconnected the LH fuel pump and started the truck. Truck ran normal. When I switch to the RH fuel tank it blows the fuse immediately.

So here's a short list of where I'm at: Scenario 1-3 the truck is not running.

Scenario 1. Key off, LH tank selected on switch, install new fuse, both fuel pump pigtails disconnected, fuel tank selector valve disconnected

-Turn key to on position (not crank position) and fuse holds
-When I switch to the RH tank it immediately blows the fuse

Scenario 2. Key off, RH tank selected on switch, install new fuse, both fuel pump pigtails disconnected, fuel tank selector valve disconnected

-Turn key to on position and the fuse holds
-Switch the tank selector switch to the LH tank and the fuse remains holding
-If I switch the tanks selector switch back to the RH hand then the fuse blows

Scenario 3. Key off, RH tank selected on switch, install new fuse, both fuel pump pigtails disconnected, fuel tank selector valve disconnected

-Turn key to on position and the fuse holds
-When I engage the ignition switch to the crank position the fuse blows in about 1-2 seconds

Scenario 4. Key off, LH tank selected, install new fuse, LH fuel pump pigtail reconnected, fuel tank selector valve connected.

-Truck will start and run like normal.
-This combo did leave me stranded a couple of days ago when the fuse blew. I'm worried it will blow again eventually I just don't know when or why.

I'm truly baffled by this. Can anyone make any sense of this?

I know the oil sending unit could be at fault but not sure how it would distinguish between LH or RH tanks. I know my truck has a Hot Start fuel module somewhere under the dash but not sure if it could cause my problems.
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Old 10-24-2016, 05:16 PM   #2
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Re: I am STUMPED! Strange problem in 440/120 circuit

Could a faulty ignition switch be the possible culprit? Its one of the few common denominators associated with my problem.
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Old 10-24-2016, 05:23 PM   #3
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Re: I am STUMPED! Strange problem in 440/120 circuit

Sounds to me like the selector switch may be faulty.

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Old 10-24-2016, 05:33 PM   #4
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Sounds to me like the selector switch may be faulty.

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I thought that initially also but I pulled the switch out and with an analog meter I put the switch in each position and wiggled it every way I could think of and could not get a single glitch or short while testing the switch on a bench.
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Old 10-25-2016, 06:09 PM   #5
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Re: I am STUMPED! Strange problem in 440/120 circuit

I would try to remove bits and pieces from the equation.

The switch, for example. Replace it with a temporary for testing and repeat above experiments. OR, bypass the switch completely, and hardwire certain configurations, and repeat above experiments.

Try the same with wiring. Grab a couple spools of cheap wire, and route them from your dashboard, out your door, and underneath your truck to the valve. Repeat above experiments.

You can bypass the valve with a few fittings and hose clamps, and leave any unused wires disconnected and insulate the ends to keep them from shorting. If they STILL blow a fuse while disconnected, then it would indicate a short somewhere in the wiring path.

Get creative and try to find a way to pull specific pieces out of the circuit. I wish I was more familiar with the TBI setup, I could guide you further.
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Old 10-25-2016, 11:12 PM   #6
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Re: I am STUMPED! Strange problem in 440/120 circuit

Well I fixed the problem finally!!! It has been haunting me but persistence paid off. I knew it had to be a wiring short somewhere. I ruled out both fuel pumps, the tank selector valve and the oil pressure sending unit. So next I decided to dive into the wiring harness loom under the hood. I opened it all up and moved things around. After I did this everything started working as it should. Both full pumps worked and I was no longer blowing the ECM B fuse. So I knew I moved something and separated the short when I opened everything up. I started checking wire for wire and finally I found 2 wires that came from my firewall grommet almost directly behind the drivers side valve cover. The 2 wires went down the frame rail but they each had rubbed a small hole in the insulation where they came in contact with the firewall. That's why my problem was erratic because vibrations only allowed it to short out occasionally. I found some other wires that needed some attention so I got everything fixed and ran some new wire loom and everything is back to normal.

I am so relieved.
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Old 10-26-2016, 12:00 AM   #7
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Re: I am STUMPED! Strange problem in 440/120 circuit

Glad you got it figured out. Those kinds of things can be so frustrating.

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