402 bbc question

[Hart_Rod]

Originally Posted by my67chevytruck

he's asking 700 for the 402.

I'll probably get the 402 as its complete, and has all accessories...

Great deal! The accessories are worth almost that.

[monte0185]

My info came from one of my best friends grandfather. we used to go visit him every now and then when we were in high school. He worked at a GM casting factory outside of indianapolis. He retired when i was in high school and had a collection of GM cars and trucks that would make you cry!!! He also got a really fat discount on anything new from GM.

[monte0185]

Originally Posted by my67chevytruck
he's asking 700 for the 402.

I'll probably get the 402 as its complete, and has all accessories...

Congrats by the way sorry for hijacking your thread.

[my67chevytruck]

Thanks for the comments and help guys ! Monte, you didnt hijack my thread, i learn alot from this site from different users insight/responses.

Thanks again.

[Dynomutt]

I think $700 is a good deal for the motor and accessories so the trans would be a bonus. AC brackets alone could be worth 1/3 that.

I am interested in the 468 if you can get a price less trans from the guy or I can ask if you'd rather pass his info along in a PM or something.

[breeh]

Originally Posted by monte0185

My info came from one of my best friends grandfather. we used to go visit him every now and then when we were in high school. He worked at a GM casting factory outside of indianapolis. He retired when i was in high school and had a collection of GM cars and trucks that would make you cry!!! He also got a really fat discount on anything new from GM.

I am sorry for the diversion of the thread as well. That is some interesting stuff though IMHO.

[my67chevytruck]

very interesting, and i dont consider it a diversion or hijack,.

[too much stuff]

That sounds like a fair deal. You know the brackets vary from the trucks to cars? I just picked up a 73 454 and the brackets are all different. Still hard to find brackets but wanted you to know they may be different.

[67/72junkie]

I have a chevy engine builders book some where boxed up with some of my old magazine collection.It has several chapters by smokey y "best damn garage in town".That is where I first read about 402s being .30 396s and was to out cub the largest smallblock starting in 1970.He put a 69 chevy 302 crank in a 400 small block with bearing spacers and 6'' rods It was a 350 something cubic inch motor built this way and was something he built for round track racing that had a 355 cubic in class limit.It was suppose to be able to turn 10grand with the 3'' stroke.The 6'' rods made the pistons dwell at top dead center longer for better combustion and reduced the tendencies of the short stock 400 rods to push the pistons toward the cyl walls.He said it would way out perform a standard design 350 because it pulled so hard off the corners and with the high rpm capability he could run a higher gear for even more pull off the corners.there never was a 396 anymore after 1970 only 402s. The 402 is ok for a restored bb truck but for performace and a driver nothing beats a 400 smallblock in my personal opinion.

[my67chevytruck]

Originally Posted by too much stuff

That sounds like a fair deal. You know the brackets vary from the trucks to cars? I just picked up a 73 454 and the brackets are all different. Still hard to find brackets but wanted you to know they may be different.

didnt know they were different. may have to make the drive and snap some pics.

[too much stuff]

The trucks have the alt. on the drivers side and have a canister fill for the power steering. (long hose to the fender to add fluid). A/C is on the pass side on a truck also. Hope that helps. I could take some pics if that may help you.

[leddzepp]

Originally Posted by monte0185

Tidbit of historical info. Actually The 402's were a GM fluke. What happened was they had a batch of 396's that were bored at the wrong angle. So instead of chunking them in the scrap they rebored them correctly but in correcting the mistake they upped the CI's to 402. Thus the reason there are only a couple of years of 402 bb's. Just an interesting bit of history for yall.

Yay...I finally see someone else knows the correct answer!

[shooterpcb]

I have been a BBC Chevelle/Elky guy for several years until I got this '68 truck. I just sold my original 1969 SS396 Chevelle last year. The 1969 was last year of the short water pump in Chevelles, not sure on other BBCs for trucks.

[1956cameo]

my67chevytruck, It definately sounds like a good deal. From what I have seen things selling for on this board the a/c brackets are worth $200-250 and the power steering set up is worth $150-200. That alone adds up to around half of the asking price without even counting the actual big block engine.

[my67chevytruck]

Originally Posted by too much stuff

The trucks have the alt. on the drivers side and have a canister fill for the power steering. (long hose to the fender to add fluid). A/C is on the pass side on a truck also. Hope that helps. I could take some pics if that may help you.

Eric, if you have time , pics would be awesome...

[monte0185]

Originally Posted by leddzepp

Yay...I finally see someone else knows the correct answer!

Ive only met a couple people that knew this. They like me happened to just know the right person that worked for GM at this particular point in time. Its not something that was ever advertised i dont think. Interesting though if you ask me.

[too much stuff]

Few pics. for you. The first is a 73 454 impala, the second is a 71 402 from a station wagon, and the orange one is a 402 with 72 truck brackets. Hope this helps you. Eric

[ETsC10]

Originally Posted by monte0185

Tidbit of historical info. Actually The 402's were a GM fluke. What happened was they had a batch of 396's that were bored at the wrong angle. So instead of chunking them in the scrap they rebored them correctly but in correcting the mistake they upped the CI's to 402. Thus the reason there are only a couple of years of 402 bb's. Just an interesting bit of history for yall.

Oh buggers Monte0185, now I know my motors an off child .. thanks good buddy

Seriously, price wise, I bought a complete 402 (and I mean complete..included radiator,
pan to intake, all brackets, engine mounts, headers, etc...) from a board member
for $800 and I figure I got a very rare deal.

IMHO, for a good running, low mile 402 engine alone, I would suspect that the same price
would be appropriate and, if I was looking wouldn't hesitate.

BTW, Too Much Stuff, thanks for the pics...mine's still on a stand with accys in boxes

[my67chevytruck]

Thanks for the pics Eric!!!

[too much stuff]

No problem. You should be able to see the difference in power steering set-up and alt. location from truck to car. I think the 73 and later truck big blocks are like the car set ups. So did ya buy it?

[monte0185]

Originally Posted by ETsC10

Oh buggers Monte0185, now I know my motors an off child .. thanks good buddy

Well I imagine it probably matches your personality since we all seem to OFF in our own way!!!

[my67chevytruck]

Originally Posted by too much stuff

No problem. You should be able to see the difference in power steering set-up and alt. location from truck to car. I think the 73 and later truck big blocks are like the car set ups. So did ya buy it?

Waiting on him.. he was out of town. and i am trying to schedule something up for him. I would guess its the car BB as he mentioned it was from a wagon... also found out he has a 327 with 6-pack but it has sentimental value so he's hangin onto it.