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My dad would drill holes in the primary butterfly's to adjust idle speed, to keep the transfer slot correct.
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Anyway, here is a link the gauges I bought. They got good reviews not just on Summit but several other places as well. I like the fact that they are not too flashy. Anybody know anything about them? https://www.summitracing.com/parts/avm-30-5130
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See, my gauge has a mini computer built in and the capability to data log straight from the gauge, that is boss, and a huge bonus and one major reason I went with Innovate Motor Sports One thing is for sure, having glanced over AEMs website, this stuff is still so unnecissarily convoluted and confusing, and it can be so gosh darn plain and simple |
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Re: INNOVATE DLG1 Wideband O2 Oxygen Sensor Tuning Diagnostics Logging Air Fuel Ratio
I agree. I'm seriously considering returning my two units and purchasing the same double unit that you have. I'm not sure if anybody else sells something similar, but I was looking at either your unit or one like it. As I think I mentioned earlier, it's the digital part that made me turn away.
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Innovate Motorsports LC-2 Lambda Cable - 8 ft. Sensor Cable 3881 no gauges needed for starters, use your laptop to show virtual gauges, your laptop will also act as your Data Logger - win / win by the way we don't need no 8 foot sensor cables the 3 foot ones are plenty |
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Looks like this may have been a good read, but I couldn't get past the third post without a headache. Try not writing like that so people can read your posts without getting frustrated. Not being mean, just stating a fact.
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I don't see a problem with his style. Not everyone's writing style will be the same. I quite enjoy Mr. Gregski's.
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Loving this. Was wanting to try this on my vehicles. Glad you're taking the time to do it step by step! Keep it up.
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I've been enjoying the post and all the information
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apologies I should not post drunk, jk, I don't know sometimes the truck just makes me wanna speak that way, please give it another go as I polished it up a bit realizing this can be important information and should be taken more seriously
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A couple of knocks on this guy's writing..... Odd. I think he's doing a great job at describing everything.
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thank you I appreciate that, I can remember my cool teachers by name to this day the ones that joked around the ones that were loose, think back for a second, can you, sometimes this stuff can be kind of dry and monotone so I try to joke, I'm just one of the guys sitting on a broken lawn chair having a cheap beer (I'm looking at you Ol' Milwaukee) and just shootin the _______ about trucks, you know what I mean, except instead of us being in the back of my house we are on the Information Super Highway
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Gentlemen as we sit here waiting for my Digital Vacuum Gauge to arrive I strongly encourage you to read the following Car Craft article by Jeff Smith. It is a very easy read and Jeff Smith is the Godfather of wideband tunning write ups in my opinion, very good at explaining things. So this is a good primer and a great place to start, it is also one of the oldest articles I found, as its from 12 years ago.
My two take aways were the difference between narrow band oxygen sensors and wideband sensors, and how at the end of the article he talks about diagnosing a Chevelle that has been tuned by a pro yet the equipment showed room for improvement. Enjoy... Tune In, Turn On, and Make Power |
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Finally got through to Holley Tech Support today and spoke with Tony about adjusting the secondary butterflies and exposing the secondary transfer slots on my 4160 carburetor to lean out the idle mixture some more.
He said that the secondary transfer slots sit higher than the ones in the primaries and should NOT be exposed. However I could crack the secondary butterflies open a bit more to lean out the mixture further than the 13.5 at idle I am getting now. We also discussed advancing my ignition timing from 10° to 12° or even higher as an alternative or in addition to. He used a phrase that I have heard from tech support guys like ProForm the makers of my previous HEI distributor, it goes like this "see if your truck likes it" or "and if your truck likes it". Now that's kinda subjective to me, and its like asking your three year old what they would "like" for dinner, I mean my truck will run and drive with the distributor anywhere from 0° to 18° and AFR anywhere from a rich of 9 AFR to 15 AFR, anywho just getting that off my chest |
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more importantly my INNOVATE Motor Sports digital dual function vacuum gauge showed up, it also records RPM, so I am super excited to get that installed.
P/N: 3851, MSRP $169 I scored it for $130 new and free shipping on eBay this will allow me to log RPM, AFR, and Vacuum, very cool as logging AFR by itself is like clapping with one hand the cable in the middle with the black box at the end is the MAP sensor and the key to the whole operation as it takes vacuum and converts it to an electronic signal which the gauge can display one gotcha is that this gauge did not come with the "intermediate" Molex cable to connect it to the existing gauge / controller so I will have to purchase that separate now I can use it in stand alone mode, but the whole point of going with all gauges from the same company is that they integrate and plug in to each other, very cool stuff Last edited by Gregski; 09-25-2018 at 07:12 PM. |
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I hear you and I used to run it as high as 16° myself but since I built (technically rebuilt my 1974 engine with 1999 Vortec heads) according to the GM Chevrolet Performance 350HO Deluxe Engine (19210008) Specifications
"Set initial spark timing at 10º before top dead center (BTDC) at 650 rpm with the vacuum advance line to the distributor disconnected and plugged. This setting will produce 32º of total advance at wide-open throttle (WOT)." So I decided to time it according to their instructions, (at least to have a baseline) and then adjust accordingly. Just thought you all should know where I am coming from as I am a stickler for doing things by the book, within reason of course. |
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so one metric we have not touched on yet was Miles Per Gallon - MPG
here is my MPG progression since I got the gauge 9.19 MPG => 13.3 MPG => 15.6 MPG today when I filled up last something tells me this gauge will eventually pay for itself |
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time to get my read on
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I ordered one of these when I started my project but apparently I didn't do my research well enough.
I got the Innovate Motorsports kit with the single wideband O2 and a simple gauge that displays the A/F. It does have the LC-2 controller so at least I can log it on my laptop, but I wish I would have spent the extra hundred and got the provisions for the better gauge and second O2 sensor. I suppose that knowing one bank is better than nothing, and I could still add a second bung and just switch it to the other side as needed but that's a bit of a pain. Greg: In your tests are the sensors always pretty close in terms of A/F? |
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Ha, I kept advancin the timing til it slowed down at the strip. Never did put a light on it.
It liked it alot.
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now this can also be do to a persistant misfire but again we will cover that later, also this is when having an O2 sensor in each header pipe would really narrow it down but we're talking about 4 dual gauges there and eight total O2 sensors, super geeky stuff, but cool non the less |
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