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09-23-2009, 01:03 PM | #1 |
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Re: Emissions fail - any advice
Not only that... but everything over 25 years old is emmisions exempt. So... 2009-25=1984. 1984 and older is emmisions exempt.
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09-23-2009, 04:16 PM | #2 |
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Re: Emissions fail - any advice
One thing to keep in mind is that these old vehicles were never designed to meet today's emission standards and just because you "Pass" does not mean that your vehicle will be running at its best....
I remember every time I brought my old 69 - 396 Camaro in for testing I would need to mess with the carb & timing so bad on it in order to pass that it ran like complete crap!....So one block down the road all the settings went right back to where they were...and I was good to go
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09-23-2009, 04:59 PM | #3 |
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Re: Emissions fail - any advice
No emissions in Florida, and in my county all the cops have old mud trucks and race cars. The Sheriffs office sponsors a drag car 90s camaro with race chassis, slicks, full race motor with nitrous, and a sheriff's car paint job and working lightbar on the roof. I drove a truck for years that looked like the skeeter truck. People who followed me would run their washers the whole time, and you could follow me home because it left a trail of smoke everywhere I went and I never got in any trouble.
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09-21-2009, 10:40 PM | #4 |
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Re: Emissions fail - any advice
And you have to have muffled tail pipes 'past the doors' is the basic rule of thumb, but if you find a cool shop they can even let that slide I'd wager.
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09-21-2009, 11:53 PM | #5 |
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09-23-2009, 11:20 PM | #6 |
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Re: Emissions fail - any advice
Step 1. Join the military.
Step 2. Have your Mom go to the DMV for you in your home state since you live in another one or another country. Step 3. Can't inspect since its either in that other state or country. Step 4. Have Mom pay for license plates with your money and mail them to you. Step 5. Don't worry about it anymore. Sorry, just had to be a smart a$$ since none of mine have been inspected in the last 23+ years even tho its required in MO. But like I said, if its not there, they can't inspect it and don't charge you for it.
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09-24-2009, 11:37 PM | #7 |
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Re: Emissions fail - any advice
Man thats dumb having emissions on something that old. There are no emissions in my area thankfully.
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09-25-2009, 12:13 AM | #8 |
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09-25-2009, 11:04 AM | #9 |
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I have smogged several cars and trucks here in norcal. I simply put 8oz of Lucas Oil fuel injector cleaner with a tank of 87 octane gas and all of mine pass easily. My 79 454 no problem, my 78 Toyota Corolla read zero on emissions and the smog guy told me not to use that car locked in the garage to commit suicide!
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09-21-2009, 10:46 PM | #10 |
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NO OCTANE boost or high octane gas.....that screwed ya right there.... OCTANE SLOWS THE BURN !!!... anyways get a can of acetone, dump in gas tank, set mixture screws correctly (turn in till stumbles/idles rough then turn out 1/2-1 turn) set idle at 1000-1500rpm.... make sure its at operating temp when ya get there and dont idle in line.... (ex phoenix resident just went thru getting my 91 to pass)
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09-22-2009, 11:25 AM | #11 | |
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I don't know about the acetone but I've heard about the denatured alcohol trick and was considering doing that (add 2L of denatured alcohold to about 4 gallons of gas, test immediately, then top off with good gas). Any opinions? |
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09-22-2009, 01:28 PM | #12 | |
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09-22-2009, 01:36 PM | #13 | |
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So I had a full tank of 91 octane pluse about 24OZ of 108 Octane booster and I failed for CO which is unspent fuel. Think I'd be better off next time with 87 octane like the original poster stated? |
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09-22-2009, 01:52 PM | #14 | |
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Too much HC = too rich Too much CO = too lean Too much NOx = high compression |
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09-21-2009, 10:50 PM | #15 |
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Re: Emissions fail - any advice
IN GREAT OLD NC any vehicle 35 years or older does not have to pass any kind fo inspection
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09-22-2009, 02:13 PM | #16 |
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Why not just get classic car insurance (which is also cheaper) and then as long as you own another vehicle there is no emissions test required in AZ....it falls under the classic car exemption law that was passed a couple years ago....
http://www.azdeq.gov/environ/air/vei/motor.html
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09-22-2009, 09:41 PM | #20 | |
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Normally quite a bit cheaper than conventional insurance & with the right company there are no mileage restrictions and are "Agreed Value"........don't see the downfall....I've used Grundy for years....They rock and I have heard their claim service is top notch!....$400 a year for $45K agreed value and NO mileage restrictions ....oh yea, an no smog checks
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09-22-2009, 04:54 PM | #21 |
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Re: Emissions fail - any advice
We dont have emissions in most of Virginia, just the counties around Washington, DC and even there any vehicle over 25 years old is exempt. Also anybody who registers with antique plates is exempt from safety inspections as well. With antique plates you can only drive your car certain times though but the big exemption is "occasional pleasure driving". I do a lot of that now.
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09-22-2009, 05:11 PM | #22 |
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Re: Emissions fail - any advice
Lets focus people! The issue here is not the laws of his state or complaining about the state where you live. The issue is why does he have a high CO under load.
There has been some incorrect information posted here. Let me fix that: 1. High CO is a sign that you are running RICH. 2. High Hydrocarbon count is caused by unspent fuel in the exhaust. (this can be caused by a rich mixture, or missing ignition). 3. You should run the same gas that you normally run. If the truck can't pass the very liberal requirements you have, then it is not running properly (read: expensive waste of gas!). Based upon the results of your last test, I think that you are close to passing. Just bring the idle mixture up a little(richer) and run some regular gas. I will eat my shoe if you don't pass.
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Thanks Sean, appreciate the advice! I'll run 87 octane next test and see how it goes. And for the classic car insurance stuff... not really interested. From what I've read my mileage will be limited and I don't want to play any games. The emissions is a pain in the ass but if I'm running rich I'm wasting gas so I want to fix it. |
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09-23-2009, 05:41 PM | #24 |
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even my bb 71 402 went thru but again i leaned it out a bit and turned up the idle... as for SEANs reply.. hes right but hes missing one important aspect... you ran a tank of high octane (over done with octane booster) that your motor CAN NOT completely burn in stock form, so in turn there goes your CO (unburned fuel) RIGHT UP TO THE SKY....
and in AZ. the cut off point for emissions is 66 so our trucks fall right at the first year of this crap....and i dont think it matters if you have antique plates or not if your newer than 66 ...(not 100% sure bout that) when i took my 91 thru on my first try i was at 22%+ CO...... put the bottle of acetone in and dropped to less than 7%.... so it def. works.. Last edited by QKENUF4U; 09-23-2009 at 05:43 PM. |
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"Historic Plates" doesn't matter...but....Effective April 30 2007, House bill: HB2357 became in effect.....vehicles that are 15 years and older which are deemed collectable, have the proper collector car insurance and is not your daily driver are eligible for emissions exemption....This was a huge deal in the collector car world and made a lot of people very happy...Including me!..... My first car that qualified was a nice little 67 driver quality camaro worth about $9k at the time....total full coverage insurance premium for one year was a whopping $212.00.....and no emissions....Loved it and still love it!
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