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crazy longhorn · 01-26-2003, 01:49 PM

Yes, forged/steel.........

Vince M · 01-26-2003, 09:26 PM

OK all this talk about cranks begs the question to be asked. What is the easist way to identify which one I have. I pulled the motor and tranny today and the freeze plugs in the rear behind the flexplate look brand new. I'm pretty sure the motor has had a recent rebuild but the guy I bought it from didn't know the history of anything. The motor and tranny are the original year to the truck just not sure if it is from this truck. Everything looks original though.

It looks like I might keep this motor for a while and make some easy mods to it.

Thanks for all the commemts on the 327 most of it I didn't know about. This is my first small small block.

mikep · 01-26-2003, 10:20 PM

If you look at the parting line on the crankshaft a forged crank will have a 1/4 inch or more width. A cast crank will have a very thin line.

The parting line is the ridge that runs the length of the crankshaft on its non machined surfaces.

One curious thing about forged cranks is their distinctive "ring" . Stand one up and tap it with a wrench.It will ring like a bell. Cast cranks will just go "thud" .

The forged steel crankshaft in my 350 is one I picked up in a junkyard 18 years ago in Oceanside, California and was carting around for that long before I built a motor around it.

jku72 · 01-29-2003, 03:05 PM

Stroker, thanks for the article, I thought I had the article, and a guy on this board was pm'ing me for a copy. Now I have it again, and am grateful. Thanks.

Stroker · 01-29-2003, 06:46 PM

jku72, glad I could be of help. If you ever build one let me know how it turns out....Stroker

68CST327 · 01-30-2003, 01:23 AM

Keep the good buildup ideas coming!

MAC67 · 01-30-2003, 02:04 AM

ok right off the bat ,,i saw a couple guys say somthin about goin with a comp or crane cam,,,DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!! spend the extra money and get a good cam ,,go either luinatti or isky,,,the comp ,,crane and alot of other brands are made extremely soft and i have watched alot of good motors fall victim to those junk cams within the first month of running,,,the lobes go away and go away fast,,the you end up pumpin shavings clear through youre hole motor,,if i were you i would do the aluminum heads and fuel injection,,on a 327 that would be a killer combo,,and i agree with that other guy ,,i forgot his name,,,327 is the king of the small blocks,,all the power of a 350 it just does it faster,,woo hoo,,...but if it were me ,,id go to that other idea you had,,,let me refresh youre memory,,BIG BLOCK BIG BLOCK BIG BLOCK BIG BLOCK BIG BLOCK BIG BLOCK BIG BLOCK BIG BLOCK,,,,ABSOLUTLEY NO REPLACEMENT FOR GOOD OLE CUBIC INCHES

crazy longhorn · 01-30-2003, 10:40 AM

MAC67, I have heard the stories on the Comp cams......cant give much info on that ...yet. I have an XE 268 in my 383, with 3000 miles on it......& Im not seeing any problems. This is the only Comp that I have run.......Crane , on the other hand , I have run a bunch of them over the yrs & I have NEVER seen a lobe failure on Crane cam that was properly broke in! The Olds guys tend to like Engle, or Ultradyne for cam selection(I ran an Engle in my 455). I have run several different, & some off brand cams, & as long as the rest of the valve train was "right on" , fire up was quick, & they were run @ 2000-2500 for the first 20-30 min(also no "buzz' the throttle for the first 150-200 mi)......I honestly havent seen lobe problems with any cam I have used....crazyL

Custom 68 · 01-30-2003, 10:44 AM

I am in the slow process of building mine but I am going TPI on a 60 over 327. Steel crank with the older "fuelly" "double hump" 2.02 heads. I have a Crane cam designed for the TPI. I am excited but moving slow. My truck is also apart at this time. I hope it is a going dude when complete.

Dean · 01-30-2003, 01:32 PM

I have a stock 66 Vette with the 327/350 HP (L79). It is a great combo in that car with the 4 speed. I don't think it would be the best in a truck where you probably want torque.

If you are just crusin around with your 4 speed truck then it would be cool. One of the best sounding combos in my opinion with my factory side pipes on my Vette.

72step · 01-30-2003, 02:03 PM

I have a 327, and they do indeed resist more rpms than a 350, and it brings the RPM's up quicker too. As far as the deal about comp cams and crane cams being junk, these people should learn how to properly seat the cams by idling the engine at higher RPMs for the first 15-30 minutes of the engine firing up. I've had my Comp Cam for nearly six years, not too many miles, but I am hard on it, and I've had no problems. If I would replace it, it would be to go roller. I would think if those companys made "junk" they wouldn't be around any more.

lpaine · 01-30-2003, 03:57 PM

I would definitely look into the 283 crank for a 302 proposition, as previously mentioned. It would be a sweet running little engine, maybe with some vortec heads, certainly more interesting than another 350, not that I'm knocking them, got one myself.

RON WOODGEARD · 01-30-2003, 05:05 PM

IfYOU DO GO THE 301/302 ROUTE, (IT'S A KICKER) Go short gears!!! They are designed to let the engine rev, not pull. And don't take your attention away from the Tach, When you nail it!!! It winds as fast as a Ricer.. Man were they FUN!!!!!!

RON

MAC67 · 01-30-2003, 07:31 PM

hey 72 step,,trust me pal,,,i know all about the break in procedure,,ive done my fare share of motors,,,and im just sayin ,,the cams make better boat anchors than cams,,but everyone is entitled to thier opinions,,,if i build a motor that im going to rely on,,i sure wont go with cheap,,and crane and comp fall directley in the cheap catagory,,

**JDL** · 01-30-2003, 08:09 PM

There are cast steel cranks and There are fourged steel cranks
But they are all made out of steel. It is just how they are made.

01-26-2003, 01:49 PM	#26
crazy longhorn Fabricate till you "puke" Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ill Posts: 9,403	Yes, forged/steel......... __________________ 69 longhorn,4" chop,3/5 drop, 1/2 ton suspension/disc brakes,1 1/2" body drop,steel tilt clip, 5.3/Edelbrock rpm intake/600 carb, Hooker streetrod shorties,2 1/2" exhaust/ H pipe/50's Flows , 6 spd Richmond trans,12 bolt/ 3.40 gears....

01-26-2003, 09:26 PM	#27
Vince M Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,076	OK all this talk about cranks begs the question to be asked. What is the easist way to identify which one I have. I pulled the motor and tranny today and the freeze plugs in the rear behind the flexplate look brand new. I'm pretty sure the motor has had a recent rebuild but the guy I bought it from didn't know the history of anything. The motor and tranny are the original year to the truck just not sure if it is from this truck. Everything looks original though. It looks like I might keep this motor for a while and make some easy mods to it. Thanks for all the commemts on the 327 most of it I didn't know about. This is my first small small block. __________________ ............................................................ 68 Chevy CST SWB w/LS1, carb & 700r4. Golden Anniversary clone with a few improvements.

01-26-2003, 10:20 PM	#28
mikep Used to have a truck Join Date: May 2002 Location: port orchard WA Posts: 1,552	If you look at the parting line on the crankshaft a forged crank will have a 1/4 inch or more width. A cast crank will have a very thin line. The parting line is the ridge that runs the length of the crankshaft on its non machined surfaces. One curious thing about forged cranks is their distinctive "ring" . Stand one up and tap it with a wrench.It will ring like a bell. Cast cranks will just go "thud" . The forged steel crankshaft in my 350 is one I picked up in a junkyard 18 years ago in Oceanside, California and was carting around for that long before I built a motor around it. __________________ No truck :-(

01-29-2003, 03:05 PM	#29
jku72 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: cornville, maine Posts: 659	Stroker, thanks for the article, I thought I had the article, and a guy on this board was pm'ing me for a copy. Now I have it again, and am grateful. Thanks. __________________ jku Cornville, Maine 68 C10 burb 42 Willys MB 46 Dodge WF-32 1.5 ton 53 & 56 Olds' 60 Cadillac 22 Dodge Brothers

01-29-2003, 06:46 PM	#30
Stroker Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Moore, Ok Posts: 1,149	jku72, glad I could be of help. If you ever build one let me know how it turns out....Stroker __________________ 72 SWB parts and pieces Oklahoma

01-30-2003, 01:23 AM	#31
68CST327 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 443	Keep the good buildup ideas coming!

01-30-2003, 02:04 AM	#32
MAC67 " SHOW ME" Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: shelbyville illinois Posts: 2,624	ok right off the bat ,,i saw a couple guys say somthin about goin with a comp or crane cam,,,DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!! spend the extra money and get a good cam ,,go either luinatti or isky,,,the comp ,,crane and alot of other brands are made extremely soft and i have watched alot of good motors fall victim to those junk cams within the first month of running,,,the lobes go away and go away fast,,the you end up pumpin shavings clear through youre hole motor,,if i were you i would do the aluminum heads and fuel injection,,on a 327 that would be a killer combo,,and i agree with that other guy ,,i forgot his name,,,327 is the king of the small blocks,,all the power of a 350 it just does it faster,,woo hoo,,...but if it were me ,,id go to that other idea you had,,,let me refresh youre memory,,BIG BLOCK BIG BLOCK BIG BLOCK BIG BLOCK BIG BLOCK BIG BLOCK BIG BLOCK BIG BLOCK,,,,ABSOLUTLEY NO REPLACEMENT FOR GOOD OLE CUBIC INCHES

01-30-2003, 10:40 AM	#33
crazy longhorn Fabricate till you "puke" Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ill Posts: 9,403	MAC67, I have heard the stories on the Comp cams......cant give much info on that ...yet. I have an XE 268 in my 383, with 3000 miles on it......& Im not seeing any problems. This is the only Comp that I have run.......Crane , on the other hand , I have run a bunch of them over the yrs & I have NEVER seen a lobe failure on Crane cam that was properly broke in! The Olds guys tend to like Engle, or Ultradyne for cam selection(I ran an Engle in my 455). I have run several different, & some off brand cams, & as long as the rest of the valve train was "right on" , fire up was quick, & they were run @ 2000-2500 for the first 20-30 min(also no "buzz' the throttle for the first 150-200 mi)......I honestly havent seen lobe problems with any cam I have used....crazyL __________________ 69 longhorn,4" chop,3/5 drop, 1/2 ton suspension/disc brakes,1 1/2" body drop,steel tilt clip, 5.3/Edelbrock rpm intake/600 carb, Hooker streetrod shorties,2 1/2" exhaust/ H pipe/50's Flows , 6 spd Richmond trans,12 bolt/ 3.40 gears....

01-30-2003, 10:44 AM	#34
Custom 68 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 2,928	I am in the slow process of building mine but I am going TPI on a 60 over 327. Steel crank with the older "fuelly" "double hump" 2.02 heads. I have a Crane cam designed for the TPI. I am excited but moving slow. My truck is also apart at this time. I hope it is a going dude when complete. __________________ Dave 1968 Custom Chevy with turbo charged 5.3 gen III 4l80e swap 1967-71 GMC 3/4 ton long step 4x4 (not sure what year exactly?) "A good friend will bail you out of jail...but a true friend will be sitting next to you saying "that was frekin awesome". "If it doesn't fit force it...If it breaks then it needed to be replaced anyway!"

01-30-2003, 01:32 PM	#35
Dean Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 1,492	I have a stock 66 Vette with the 327/350 HP (L79). It is a great combo in that car with the 4 speed. I don't think it would be the best in a truck where you probably want torque. If you are just crusin around with your 4 speed truck then it would be cool. One of the best sounding combos in my opinion with my factory side pipes on my Vette.

01-30-2003, 02:03 PM	#36
72step Registered User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: chimayo, nm, usa Posts: 898	I have a 327, and they do indeed resist more rpms than a 350, and it brings the RPM's up quicker too. As far as the deal about comp cams and crane cams being junk, these people should learn how to properly seat the cams by idling the engine at higher RPMs for the first 15-30 minutes of the engine firing up. I've had my Comp Cam for nearly six years, not too many miles, but I am hard on it, and I've had no problems. If I would replace it, it would be to go roller. I would think if those companys made "junk" they wouldn't be around any more.

01-30-2003, 03:57 PM	#37
lpaine Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Parksville, B.C. Canada Posts: 637	327 quandary I would definitely look into the 283 crank for a 302 proposition, as previously mentioned. It would be a sweet running little engine, maybe with some vortec heads, certainly more interesting than another 350, not that I'm knocking them, got one myself. __________________ 1969 G.M.C 3/4 Ton 920 (Canadian Version) 307 3 speed, currently apart 1998 Chevy 1/2 ton ex cab V-6 5 speed 1967 Chevy SWB - project truck; not started just yet

01-30-2003, 05:05 PM	#38
RON WOODGEARD Resident Young Old Dude ! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nevada Posts: 1,948	IfYOU DO GO THE 301/302 ROUTE, (IT'S A KICKER) Go short gears!!! They are designed to let the engine rev, not pull. And don't take your attention away from the Tach, When you nail it!!! It winds as fast as a Ricer.. Man were they FUN!!!!!! RON

01-30-2003, 07:31 PM	#39
MAC67 " SHOW ME" Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: shelbyville illinois Posts: 2,624	hey 72 step,,trust me pal,,,i know all about the break in procedure,,ive done my fare share of motors,,,and im just sayin ,,the cams make better boat anchors than cams,,but everyone is entitled to thier opinions,,,if i build a motor that im going to rely on,,i sure wont go with cheap,,and crane and comp fall directley in the cheap catagory,,

01-30-2003, 08:09 PM	#40
JDL Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Agency IA. Posts: 1,838	There are cast steel cranks and There are fourged steel cranks But they are all made out of steel. It is just how they are made. __________________ 72 Chevy short step side with 454 air and tilt. 72 nova project car 63 chevy II drag car Agency Iowa



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