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SCOTI · 07-29-2004, 06:42 PM

From what I've measured on mine, steering shaft interference is directly related to the amount of the notch.

Although in the mags it was listed as a 1.5" notch, I've learned that Turners kits were(are) based on a 1.25" notch. In the articles, they made no mention of any issues w/upper a-arm/steer shaft interference. I 'whacked' 1.5" out of mine & the tape-measure says there will be interference w/the stock steering stuff. I haven't swapped it in yet so I'm not 100% but if I was betting . . . .....

I'm waiting (still....) to see what the AirRide control arms look like & see if they'll offer any more clearance.

Slammed66 · 07-29-2004, 08:02 PM

yeah my tape measue says the same , Im not sure what to do here , what have you guys done to remedy this situation , notch the control arm or gone with a couple of U joints , If I cant put in the srossmember this time IM gonna bag it , It still sits too damn high in front for my liking . heres how it sits right now , this is ride hieght.

SCOTI · 07-31-2004, 02:01 AM

As easy as control arms are to come by, notch it & see how much you have to cut out for clearance. As long as you can weld in a simple boxing 'U' piece, you shouldn't lose any strength.

grnddwn · 08-02-2004, 09:21 PM

I had to notch my upper control arm a little

ls1chevy66 · 08-08-2004, 10:16 PM

how do i get in touch with bill turner for some control arms?

SCOTI · 08-08-2004, 11:23 PM

First read this entire thread from the very first post. There is info from people who have struggled w/Turners.

If you still wish to contact Bill @ Turner Enterprises, their e-mail addy is listed in the thread and his phone number is on his advertisements in classic truck magazines.

I've spoken w/him on several occasions & he's a really nice guy, it just seems some people have problems w/communication w/him after the initial sale. I have purchased items from him w/o issue.

fastbagged68 · 08-09-2004, 01:42 AM

What Scotti said. I bought alot of stuff from Bill Turner and he has always came through except for the last set of control arms. If you are really interested in control arms and I know where I can get them made. Anyone know where to get custom bushings for the arms

XXL · 08-09-2004, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastbagged68

If you are really interested in control arms and I know where I can get them made.

Tell us more, please.

SCOTI · 08-09-2004, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastbagged68

.... Anyone know where to get custom bushings for the arms?....

What kind of bushings are you seeking?

fastbagged68 · 08-10-2004, 01:49 AM

The kind of bushings found on Air Ride Technolgies control arms, I can most likely have a freind make control arms for a reasonable price.

SCOTI · 08-10-2004, 07:28 AM

That's the one thing I don't care for about air-rides stuff.... you can have any bushing you like, as long as it's the urethane bushing that fits their application.

When I spoke w/Darren @ air-ride I told him the arms for the 63-87's should be set-up to use easily obtained factory rubber bushings that can be switched to urethane if desired.

Film Guy · 08-19-2004, 11:17 PM

Has anyone tried to contact Bill Turner lately? I sent them an e-mail and never got a reply. Couple days leter I called them. Got a answer machine. Left a message. Nothing. Couple days later I went to their web-site. It's not there. Wazzup?

wdz28ss · 08-20-2004, 12:50 AM

I'd look elsewhere than Turner Ent.....I have tried to get ahold of him for the past 4 months and never got a word out of him. The answering machine is full most of the time and he dosent reply to emails. The last time I talked to him his wife was going through hard time and I totally understand, however, not returning phone calls is not good business. I know that he's downsized his employees a year or so ago....My guess is that he's not a good business man and is letting things run to the ground and going out of business. He's one hell of a nice and friendly guy.... and I am sorry to bad mouth him, but the ****er has cost me money and a **** load of time.

wdz28ss · 08-20-2004, 12:52 AM

BTW if anyone should happen to talk to him.....tell him Wayne said to keep his joint and to SUCK A FAT ONE!!!!

fastbagged68 · 08-20-2004, 02:35 AM

Bill owed me bushing for my control arms, I couldnt get ahold of him so i'm over him. I found out what bushing I need to use. I am going to make my own control arms from now on. F@#$ him! Nice guy but Sh!t come on.

XXL · 08-20-2004, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Film Guy

Bill Turner

But he's a nice guy

phantom dually · 08-20-2004, 05:37 PM

Yeah Im with you guys he sucks ass!! He has wasted alot of my time as well and stole from me as well.

Film Guy · 08-20-2004, 05:51 PM

Thanks guys. I own my own business and I return all my calls within 24 hrs. Its just good business. Customer service is one of the most important things in business. I have a 72 lwb Cheyenne super, Big block , a/c, 700r4 trans, air ride,
etc... It seems when let all the air out of the bags. The front gets to a point where the camber goes way negative. I guess the only really good solution is the mII front end. I have read this thread and many others for quite some time before I joined this forum. I am glad to be part of this. BTW I am working on another chassis for this truck. It is a swb. Found that the lower I got the truck, the longer it looked. Ha! I guess thats not such a bad thing if your a chick. But, I like the look of a swb over a lwb when in the weeds. Any coments good or bad will be appreciated. Thanks in advance for all your help!

lofly'a · 10-10-2004, 02:21 AM

i'm still reading this thread but it has migrated to other places and dying out. i have'nt gotten around to the x-member drop yet, but i would still like to hear about updates and new discoveries. i have downloaded all the info for the drop and been to all the websites as this is great info. i don't intend to lay frame, just bags, drop spindles, and x-member slice. any updates or findings.

phantom dually · 10-10-2004, 07:30 PM

Good luck on updates here. If I could sell all the parts i have got from him I would. I have been building a new house and a garage so i have no updates.

lofly'a · 10-11-2004, 12:36 AM

good luck with the house and garage phantom, i did that 7 years ago and don't plan on ever doing it again. sell the parts you got from who? i don't follow. what parts?

phantom dually · 10-11-2004, 09:26 PM

I was refering to the parts bought from Turners to do the crossmember drop.

fastbagged68 · 10-12-2004, 02:40 AM

Dont sell your parts phantom! It will get better. I have not really updated mine in a while but it will be under the knife soon. I am still doing up the shop truck with my partner. Once that is done mine will be going in shortly. Then I will get some more pics!

phantom dually · 10-12-2004, 06:34 PM

I could use some encouragement man!! I have some much in it I would lose my butt anyway!!

wdz28ss · 10-12-2004, 11:21 PM

Phantom.......dont sell...take a break for a while until the bug returns.......thats what i did and now i want to work on mine again......it's a big project to vision what you want and then actually build it. I also know what you mean about selling.....Turners stuff seems to finally be working out for me, but all the money put into it, i coulda done something totally different and a whole lot cheaper to accomplish what i wanted.

07-29-2004, 06:42 PM	#476
SCOTI Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: DALLAS,TX Posts: 21,919	From what I've measured on mine, steering shaft interference is directly related to the amount of the notch. Although in the mags it was listed as a 1.5" notch, I've learned that Turners kits were(are) based on a 1.25" notch. In the articles, they made no mention of any issues w/upper a-arm/steer shaft interference. I 'whacked' 1.5" out of mine & the tape-measure says there will be interference w/the stock steering stuff. I haven't swapped it in yet so I'm not 100% but if I was betting . . . ..... I'm waiting (still....) to see what the AirRide control arms look like & see if they'll offer any more clearance. __________________ 67SWB-B.B.RetroRod 64SWB-Recycle 89CCDually-Driver/Tow Truck 99CCSWB Driver All Fleetsides @rattlecankustoms in IG Building a small, high rpm engine with the perfect bore, stroke and rod ratio is very impressive. It's like a highly skilled Morrocan sword fighter with a Damascus Steel Scimitar..... *Cubic inches is like Indiana Jones with a cheap pistol.*

07-29-2004, 08:02 PM	#477
Slammed66 Needs a Big Block Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Red Deer , Alberta Posts: 1,198	yeah my tape measue says the same , Im not sure what to do here , what have you guys done to remedy this situation , notch the control arm or gone with a couple of U joints , If I cant put in the srossmember this time IM gonna bag it , It still sits too damn high in front for my liking . heres how it sits right now , this is ride hieght. __________________ 1964 Short box On dropmembers and billets 1962 Suburban family cruiser 1972 K10

07-31-2004, 02:01 AM	#478
SCOTI Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: DALLAS,TX Posts: 21,919	As easy as control arms are to come by, notch it & see how much you have to cut out for clearance. As long as you can weld in a simple boxing 'U' piece, you shouldn't lose any strength. __________________ 67SWB-B.B.RetroRod 64SWB-Recycle 89CCDually-Driver/Tow Truck 99CCSWB Driver All Fleetsides @rattlecankustoms in IG Building a small, high rpm engine with the perfect bore, stroke and rod ratio is very impressive. It's like a highly skilled Morrocan sword fighter with a Damascus Steel Scimitar..... *Cubic inches is like Indiana Jones with a cheap pistol.*

08-08-2004, 10:16 PM	#480
ls1chevy66 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6	how do i get in touch with bill turner for some control arms? Last edited by ls1chevy66; 08-08-2004 at 10:18 PM. Reason: misspelled word

08-08-2004, 11:23 PM	#481
SCOTI Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: DALLAS,TX Posts: 21,919	First read this *entire* thread from the very first post. There is info from people who have struggled w/Turners. If you still wish to contact Bill @ Turner Enterprises, their e-mail addy is listed in the thread and his phone number is on his advertisements in classic truck magazines. I've spoken w/him on several occasions & he's a really nice guy, it just seems some people have problems w/communication w/him after the initial sale. I have purchased items from him w/o issue. __________________ 67SWB-B.B.RetroRod 64SWB-Recycle 89CCDually-Driver/Tow Truck 99CCSWB Driver All Fleetsides @rattlecankustoms in IG Building a small, high rpm engine with the perfect bore, stroke and rod ratio is very impressive. It's like a highly skilled Morrocan sword fighter with a Damascus Steel Scimitar..... *Cubic inches is like Indiana Jones with a cheap pistol.*

08-02-2004, 09:21 PM	#479
grnddwn belly dragger Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: sherwood park AB. Canada Posts: 696	I had to notch my upper control arm a little

08-09-2004, 01:42 AM	#482
fastbagged68 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tri Valley California Posts: 792	What Scotti said. I bought alot of stuff from Bill Turner and he has always came through except for the last set of control arms. If you are really interested in control arms and I know where I can get them made. Anyone know where to get custom bushings for the arms

08-10-2004, 01:49 AM	#485
fastbagged68 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tri Valley California Posts: 792	The kind of bushings found on Air Ride Technolgies control arms, I can most likely have a freind make control arms for a reasonable price.

08-10-2004, 07:28 AM	#486
SCOTI Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: DALLAS,TX Posts: 21,919	That's the one thing I don't care for about air-rides stuff.... you can have any bushing you like, as long as it's the urethane bushing that fits their application. When I spoke w/Darren @ air-ride I told him the arms for the 63-87's should be set-up to use easily obtained factory rubber bushings that can be switched to urethane if desired. __________________ 67SWB-B.B.RetroRod 64SWB-Recycle 89CCDually-Driver/Tow Truck 99CCSWB Driver All Fleetsides @rattlecankustoms in IG Building a small, high rpm engine with the perfect bore, stroke and rod ratio is very impressive. It's like a highly skilled Morrocan sword fighter with a Damascus Steel Scimitar..... *Cubic inches is like Indiana Jones with a cheap pistol.*

08-19-2004, 11:17 PM	#487
Film Guy Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 105	Has anyone tried to contact Bill Turner lately? I sent them an e-mail and never got a reply. Couple days leter I called them. Got a answer machine. Left a message. Nothing. Couple days later I went to their web-site. It's not there. Wazzup?

08-20-2004, 12:50 AM	#488
wdz28ss Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Clinton, Ut Posts: 230	I'd look elsewhere than Turner Ent.....I have tried to get ahold of him for the past 4 months and never got a word out of him. The answering machine is full most of the time and he dosent reply to emails. The last time I talked to him his wife was going through hard time and I totally understand, however, not returning phone calls is not good business. I know that he's downsized his employees a year or so ago....My guess is that he's not a good business man and is letting things run to the ground and going out of business. He's one hell of a nice and friendly guy.... and I am sorry to bad mouth him, but the **er has cost me money and a ** load of time. __________________ '72 Cheyenne super, short-fleet, air-tilt-tach, fuel injected LT1, 700r4, 3.08 posi, 4WDB, step notched and bagged. "the one i wish i still had"

08-20-2004, 12:52 AM	#489
wdz28ss Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Clinton, Ut Posts: 230	BTW if anyone should happen to talk to him.....tell him Wayne said to keep his joint and to SUCK A FAT ONE!!!! __________________ '72 Cheyenne super, short-fleet, air-tilt-tach, fuel injected LT1, 700r4, 3.08 posi, 4WDB, step notched and bagged. "the one i wish i still had"

08-20-2004, 02:35 AM	#490
fastbagged68 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tri Valley California Posts: 792	Bill owed me bushing for my control arms, I couldnt get ahold of him so i'm over him. I found out what bushing I need to use. I am going to make my own control arms from now on. F@#$ him! Nice guy but Sh!t come on.

08-20-2004, 05:37 PM	#492
phantom dually Project92 SWB stepside Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 4,793	Yeah Im with you guys he sucks ass!! He has wasted alot of my time as well and stole from me as well. __________________ 92 C1500 stepside 496 Stroker Competiton Engineering Ladder bars/QA1 coilovers. Dana 60 rear with 4.10 gear and posi. Bonspeed Palisade 20x12 in rear w/335/30/20 and 20x8.5 front w/245/40/20. 5/8 drop with Belltech springs/DJM spindles/drop shocks. WWS Progress thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=140448

08-20-2004, 05:51 PM	#493
Film Guy Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 105	Thanks guys. I own my own business and I return all my calls within 24 hrs. Its just good business. Customer service is one of the most important things in business. I have a 72 lwb Cheyenne super, Big block , a/c, 700r4 trans, air ride, etc... It seems when let all the air out of the bags. The front gets to a point where the camber goes way negative. I guess the only really good solution is the mII front end. I have read this thread and many others for quite some time before I joined this forum. I am glad to be part of this. BTW I am working on another chassis for this truck. It is a swb. Found that the lower I got the truck, the longer it looked. Ha! I guess thats not such a bad thing if your a chick. But, I like the look of a swb over a lwb when in the weeds. Any coments good or bad will be appreciated. Thanks in advance for all your help!



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10-10-2004, 02:21 AM	#494
lofly'a Registered User Join Date: May 2000 Location: Alexandria, LA 71301 Posts: 1,451	i'm still reading this thread but it has migrated to other places and dying out. i have'nt gotten around to the x-member drop yet, but i would still like to hear about updates and new discoveries. i have downloaded all the info for the drop and been to all the websites as this is great info. i don't intend to lay frame, just bags, drop spindles, and x-member slice. any updates or findings. __________________ -02 avalanche (daily driver) -66 gto ragtop 389/400 (garage queen, hand-me-down from dad) -72 Tribute Trans Am (6.0LS/T56 6-speed) in progress -2003 YUKON (Wife's) -71 gmc swb fleet (current project, gonna shave everything, bags, stuff w/ 20's, gen III powertrain) -48 3100 SWB - 12/31/23 LONG TERM Project

10-10-2004, 07:30 PM	#495
phantom dually Project92 SWB stepside Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 4,793	Good luck on updates here. If I could sell all the parts i have got from him I would. I have been building a new house and a garage so i have no updates. __________________ 92 C1500 stepside 496 Stroker Competiton Engineering Ladder bars/QA1 coilovers. Dana 60 rear with 4.10 gear and posi. Bonspeed Palisade 20x12 in rear w/335/30/20 and 20x8.5 front w/245/40/20. 5/8 drop with Belltech springs/DJM spindles/drop shocks. WWS Progress thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=140448

10-11-2004, 12:36 AM	#496
lofly'a Registered User Join Date: May 2000 Location: Alexandria, LA 71301 Posts: 1,451	good luck with the house and garage phantom, i did that 7 years ago and don't plan on ever doing it again. sell the parts you got from who? i don't follow. what parts? __________________ -02 avalanche (daily driver) -66 gto ragtop 389/400 (garage queen, hand-me-down from dad) -72 Tribute Trans Am (6.0LS/T56 6-speed) in progress -2003 YUKON (Wife's) -71 gmc swb fleet (current project, gonna shave everything, bags, stuff w/ 20's, gen III powertrain) -48 3100 SWB - 12/31/23 LONG TERM Project

10-11-2004, 09:26 PM	#497
phantom dually Project92 SWB stepside Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 4,793	I was refering to the parts bought from Turners to do the crossmember drop. __________________ 92 C1500 stepside 496 Stroker Competiton Engineering Ladder bars/QA1 coilovers. Dana 60 rear with 4.10 gear and posi. Bonspeed Palisade 20x12 in rear w/335/30/20 and 20x8.5 front w/245/40/20. 5/8 drop with Belltech springs/DJM spindles/drop shocks. WWS Progress thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=140448

10-12-2004, 02:40 AM	#498
fastbagged68 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tri Valley California Posts: 792	Dont sell your parts phantom! It will get better. I have not really updated mine in a while but it will be under the knife soon. I am still doing up the shop truck with my partner. Once that is done mine will be going in shortly. Then I will get some more pics!

10-12-2004, 06:34 PM	#499
phantom dually Project92 SWB stepside Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 4,793	I could use some encouragement man!! I have some much in it I would lose my butt anyway!! __________________ 92 C1500 stepside 496 Stroker Competiton Engineering Ladder bars/QA1 coilovers. Dana 60 rear with 4.10 gear and posi. Bonspeed Palisade 20x12 in rear w/335/30/20 and 20x8.5 front w/245/40/20. 5/8 drop with Belltech springs/DJM spindles/drop shocks. WWS Progress thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=140448

10-12-2004, 11:21 PM	#500
wdz28ss Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Clinton, Ut Posts: 230	Phantom.......dont sell...take a break for a while until the bug returns.......thats what i did and now i want to work on mine again......it's a big project to vision what you want and then actually build it. I also know what you mean about selling.....Turners stuff seems to finally be working out for me, but all the money put into it, i coulda done something totally different and a whole lot cheaper to accomplish what i wanted. __________________ '72 Cheyenne super, short-fleet, air-tilt-tach, fuel injected LT1, 700r4, 3.08 posi, 4WDB, step notched and bagged. "the one i wish i still had"

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