Was it karma? or "Why Glass Fuel Filters Suck"

[Sin7]

sorry to hear about your truck bro. My brother had an 85' crew cab dually that burned down 4 days after i repainted it. Same culprit.

[1978chevybigten]

Originally Posted by VWNate1

I wasn't going to say anything but you made an ergregious error there so I'll address it :

The proper and safest location is just in front of the carby , nowhere else .

These pictures clearly show the filter was not placed on top of the engine where it's safest , I doubt the filter caused this engine fire because if had , there wouldn't be any fuel hose left ~ notice the vacuum hoses all burned up but the primary fuel hose didn't .

Poor maintanance cuses most underhood fires , the guilty just don't want to accept thier blame .

Never been neglected. But I will say the filter was not in the best position.
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[Dan in Pasadena]

FFredo - WHERE are you man? What's going in with your truck? Been watching awhile to see if you've gotten her back up and running.

Enquiring minds (not to mention nosy busy bodies!) want to know.
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[mechanixman]

I know I'm late, but
I'm really sorry to hear that Fredo.
I also thought of the first one.
So does that mean (the first one) that original glass fuel filter that is Oh so cool is still safe to use?
I haven't heard anything bad about it, and it's the one I want to run.

[VWNate1]

Yes .

[Rufton]

I was lucky that my glass fuel filter w/ those cheapo plastic nipples took a leak when I was working under hood. Scared the crap out of me. I promptly replaced it.

[Dan in Pasadena]

Yada, yada, yada.....where's Fredo?

Sounds like "Where in the World is Carmen San Diego?"

[mechanixman]

So this is alright?
Up and away from the manifolds, and away from vibration

[Dan in Pasadena]

I think the idea is don't use the glass filters at all.
They're subject to breakage. Hence, FIIIRE!
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[mechanixman]

Ha ha I got the idea.
But my plan is to use this (i already had it) until I know for sure my fuel system is good and ready to go. THEN I'll run straight over to Oreillys and get the metal canister

[Dan in Pasadena]

Your truck, your decision but it's DIRECTLY over the top of your exhaust manifold in the photo. Heat + gasoline? Uh....no thanks.

[mechanixman]

Ha ha yeah I got it.

[mknittle]

Those things are lick a hand grenade. every time you start the truck you pull the pin out a little bit farther.
If you like the replicable filter Jegs and Summit sell anodized aluminum ones.

[VWNate1]

Originally Posted by mechanixman

So this is alright?
Up and away from the manifolds, and away from vibration

Yes , close ~

It should be as close to the carby as possible to prevent it from vibrating .

Use a short bit of hose , only the least amount possible .

Those " Take Apart " things are not really good ~ they tend to leak .

FWIW , I see you're getting a lot of seriously BAD ADVICE here from folks who clearly know nothing of what they speak .

You cannot get a gas fire by spilling raw gasoline onto the exhaust manifold failure to understand this means you weren't paying attention in 7th grade science class .

I see you still have a 216 C.I.D. BOWTIE Babbit Pounder ~ this is great , just remember to never run it on the freeway else you'll kill it in short order .

These sturdy , 1930's tech engines also like the thinnest oils you can find , 10W~ whatever , and use a fairly good bit of it leaked & burned , by design .

[Coconut-kid]

Originally Posted by VWNate1

Yes , close ~

It should be as close to the carby as possible to prevent it from vibrating .

Use a short bit of hose , only the least amount possible .

Those " Take Apart " things are not really good ~ they tend to leak .

FWIW , I see you're getting a lot of seriously BAD ADVICE here from folks who clearly know nothing of what they speak .

You cannot get a gas fire by spilling raw gasoline onto the exhaust manifold failure to understand this means you weren't paying attention in 7th grade science class .

I see you still have a 216 C.I.D. BOWTIE Babbit Pounder ~ this is great , just remember to never run it on the freeway else you'll kill it in short order .

These sturdy , 1930's tech engines also like the thinnest oils you can find , 10W~ whatever , and use a fairly good bit of it leaked & burned , by design .

Why can't you just put the filter in the line half way between the tank and carb?
What's the differance compared to being at the carb?
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[mechanixman]

There are 2 filters you're suppose to use; pre pump filters, and post pump filters.
We're talking about the post pump filters, or the filter that goes between the pump and the carb.

[Rufton]

Originally Posted by mechanixman

There are 2 filters you're suppose to use; pre pump filters, and post pump filters.
We're talking about the post pump filters, or the filter that goes between the pump and the carb.

When I pulled glass filter I replaced w/ a larger pre pump filter and it works great. Now that you mention it, If the rubber breaks down after a decade or so debris could get into carb. Don't think I'll bother but it would be nice to have an additional last chance filter attached to carb.

[Russell Ashley]

"FWIW , I see you're getting a lot of seriously BAD ADVICE here from folks who clearly know nothing of what they speak .

You cannot get a gas fire by spilling raw gasoline onto the exhaust manifold failure to understand this means you weren't paying attention in 7th grade science class ".

Coconut-kid, I think your comment was a little bit condescending, and not correct either. Do you know what happens to gas when it is spilled on a hot surface? It becomes vapor which is highly flammable, even explosive. A spark from the alternator brushes or any other source will set it off. To say you can't get a gas fire by spilling gas on the exhaust manifold is wrong.

You might ask FFredo if a gas leak will cause a fire or not in case you didn't read the beginning of this thread.

[Dan in Pasadena]

Originally Posted by Russell Ashley

...Coconut-kid, I think your comment was a little bit condescending, and not correct either.

'Ya think? I caught the patronizing, "...you're a bunch of dummies and I know better" attitude. But then I've written things I later thought better of myself so I didn't want to blast him. (Of course now that YOU brought it up, I apparently have no problem "dog-piling" on top, )

Anyway, speaking strictly for myself - why even take the chance? Why rely on your 7th grade science lesson (Coconut KID) to save your hard work and dollars spent? Just change the damn thing out and quite making everything a pi$$ing contest! ...Or don't and do not post when your friggin truck burns expecting sympathy.

[Rufton]

Originally Posted by Russell Ashley

Do you know what happens to gas when it is spilled on a hot surface? It becomes vapor which is highly flammable, even explosive. A spark from the alternator brushes or any other source will set it off. To say you can't get a gas fire by spilling gas on the exhaust manifold is wrong.

Yes, big fire risk.

The hot manifold plus gasoline can cause the fire w/o any other spark because autoignition point of gasoline is roughly 500F.

[Coconut-kid]

Wow. Ok maybe I'm missing something. I was just trying to ask why the filter needed to be by the carb. Ill need to go back and read over everything.

@ russell ashley: The first part of my post was a quote from someone else.

Sorry for any misunderstanding.
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[andyd00]

Did you cry? I would have definitely been crying in that picture to be honest. Thank god you can save it.

[VWNate1]

I really wasn't trying to make a pi$$ing contest ~

I'm a Journeyman Mechanic and I take the job *very* seriously ~ I get to fix lots and lots of really weird problems that were caused by bad advice .

My GM Factory training and others , made a point if spraying gasoline of red hot (glowing red hot) exhaust manifolds whilst the engine was running to prove this point . the flash point of gasoline isn't 500° F .

Fuel filters are never supposed to be placed before the fuel pump , only after .

Some cheapo current aftermarket pump manufacturers have added B.S. instructions to add a pre pump filter , it's still wrong .

In the end , my advice is free , so it's no doubt worthless .

[Dan in Pasadena]

http://www.burnandfireprevention.org/new_page_3.htm

"Gadoline is Not Your Friend"

PS: DONT take your job "very" seriously. Life's too damn short.

[Russell Ashley]

Coconut kid, I was actually replying to vwnate1's comment. I'm sorry for the mistake.

VWnate, does the VW in your handle stand for Volkswagon? If so you should know that engine fires were fairly common on old VW beetles due to broken fuel lines.