Problems buying from gmachinz Jabin Wood?

[TKCR]

I have to at least add this. I provide services, just like Jabin does. I go about it a lot different than he does. I sell restored Benchseats, and restore seatbelts for people. First off, in both cases, I don’t collect any money from my costumers until their item is completed. The only time I do collect a “deposit”, is when a specific color of cover needs to be made to order. And I do everything thru PayPal with invoices. That way the customer has a copy of what service is being done. Only when the service has been completed and I send photos to my customer, is when payment is due, prior to shipping. And as soon as payment is received, I make out the shipping label and the customer gets the tracking number.
I feel that the way Jabin is conducting his business, is putting people at risk to be scammed of their money. Sometimes it takes 6 weeks to get a cover made and a seat built for someone. Just as it takes time to build these harness’. So why take their money now? Your only opening yourself up to being questioned every few days or weeks on when they are getting their product shipped. It’s wrong in expecting payment for something that who knows how long it’s going to take. And to ask someone to use the F&F on PayPal, to save a few bucks on fees is also wrong. I gotta pay them. I gladly do, to keep my customers at ease, knowing that their purchase is protected.
People, you need to learn to protect yourself. I too, learned the hard way. An $800 lesson learned. I paid a deposit on something and fell for the F&F way of paying. HUGE MISTAKE! And I will never do that again, and I would never ask anyone to do it either.
So when it comes to Jabin and his harness’, people need to not pay until he fills the order.

[SKR]

Originally Posted by TKCR

I have to at least add this. I provide services, just like Jabin does. I go about it a lot different than he does. I sell restored Benchseats, and restore seatbelts for people. First off, in both cases, I don’t collect any money from my costumers until their item is completed. The only time I do collect a “deposit”, is when a specific color of cover needs to be made to order. And I do everything thru PayPal with invoices. That way the customer has a copy of what service is being done. Only when the service has been completed and I send photos to my customer, is when payment is due, prior to shipping. And as soon as payment is received, I make out the shipping label and the customer gets the tracking number.
I feel that the way Jabin is conducting his business, is putting people at risk to be scammed of their money. Sometimes it takes 6 weeks to get a cover made and a seat built for someone. Just as it takes time to build these harness’. So why take their money now? Your only opening yourself up to being questioned every few days or weeks on when they are getting their product shipped. It’s wrong in expecting payment for something that who knows how long it’s going to take. And to ask someone to use the F&F on PayPal, to save a few bucks on fees is also wrong. I gotta pay them. I gladly do, to keep my customers at ease, knowing that their purchase is protected.
People, you need to learn to protect yourself. I too, learned the hard way. An $800 lesson learned. I paid a deposit on something and fell for the F&F way of paying. HUGE MISTAKE! And I will never do that again, and I would never ask anyone to do it either.
So when it comes to Jabin and his harness’, people need to not pay until he fills the order.

It's always interesting the various ways that problems can come up, whether it's parts on backorder, shipping delays, or whatever. But the part of the machine that takes the customer's money always works flawlessly. You click "place order" and the money leaves your account like it was shot out of a cannon. Nobody ever says "everything went great, the thing showed up sooner than I thought it would and was a real quality piece of equipment, the only issue we had is I had a hell of a time trying to pay the guy."

[too much stuff]

Just check the member dealings about him... At least 3 posts about him.

[Corts60]

Originally Posted by texxxan

I've pretty much wrote this off as a $309 lesson. Shame on me and that won't ever happen again. Ever. I'm on here to prevent this from happening to you. Some of you may feel like I provoked this or whatever it is you may feel. That's ok. Now lets just make sure that this doesn't happen to anyone else here. That is my bottom line here. I don't want anyone else here to go through this.

It's a shame he chose to shut down on you like that. No you don't have to kiss anyone's a**. Your messages seem straight and to the point. Sorry you didn't get your harness buddy. Maybe it'll just randomly arrive in the mail some day....

[texxxan]

Originally Posted by Corts60

It's a shame he chose to shut down on you like that. No you don't have to kiss anyone's a**. Your messages seem straight and to the point. Sorry you didn't get your harness buddy. Maybe it'll just randomly arrive in the mail some day....

That would be nice. I won't hold my breath though.

[layinrocker65]

There have been numerous posts and threads on here about his terrible customer service and communication. I don’t understand why people continue to buy from him no matter the quality of the product.

[kipps]

TKCR, the problem is, selling like you do limits your options of a marketplace. Ebay is a very desirable platform, and as far as I know, it has no option for "commit to buy, pay when done" like you're suggesting.

I'm involved in an extensive "from-scratch" rewire of my truck right now. When this truck is finished, I'll have a good working knowledge and inventory of Metri-Pack, Packard-56, Weather-Pack, Pack-Con, and GT connectors, terminals, and accessories. I'll likely dabble a bit with the Deutch system as well.

I've had more than a passing interest in getting into some harness construction myself. When several of my other projects have settled down a little, I'll revisit the idea. I would definitely want to start out with smaller harnesses, and work my way into more complex ones. Any suggestions or ideas are appreciated!

[TKCR]

Originally Posted by kipps

TKCR, the problem is, selling like you do limits your options of a marketplace. Ebay is a very desirable platform, and as far as I know, it has no option for "commit to buy, pay when done" like you're suggesting.

I'm involved in an extensive "from-scratch" rewire of my truck right now. When this truck is finished, I'll have a good working knowledge and inventory of Metri-Pack, Packard-56, Weather-Pack, Pack-Con, and GT connectors, terminals, and accessories. I'll likely dabble a bit with the Deutch system as well.

I've had more than a passing interest in getting into some harness construction myself. When several of my other projects have settled down a little, I'll revisit the idea. I would definitely want to start out with smaller harnesses, and work my way into more complex ones. Any suggestions or ideas are appreciated!

When I do sell on eBay, I list my items that are ready to purchase. I don’t list anything on eBay that has to be made to order. That way, when the item is purchased, I ship the item right away. I sold on eBay for several years, but I have gotten away from selling on there. The fees were eating what little profit I was making. By word of mouth, my FB Page and this Forum, I’m getting enough orders to keep me plenty busy. Almost too busy at times. This was the plan all along since I just retired in March 2019. And I’m not doing this service to make money. I enjoyed restoring my truck, and wanted to help others do the same. And I wanted something to do, to stay busy. So why not something that I really enjoy? Yes I need to make money, I’ve got to make some, so I can continue buying supplies to restore the seats & seatbelts.
That maybe another one of Jabins faults. He maybe taking on more than he can handle. So he really needs to stop taking people’s money BEFORE he can produce the product. I mean after all, since you have dabbled in harnessing, you know that’s a time consuming task. I have done a little myself, at my previous job.

[texxxan]

Originally Posted by TKCR

When I do sell on eBay, I list my items that are ready to purchase. I don’t list anything on eBay that has to be made to order. That way, when the item is purchased, I ship the item right away. I sold on eBay for several years, but I have gotten away from selling on there. The fees were eating what little profit I was making. By word of mouth, my FB Page and this Forum, I’m getting enough orders to keep me plenty busy. Almost too busy at times. This was the plan all along since I just retired in March 2019. And I’m not doing this service to make money. I enjoyed restoring my truck, and wanted to help others do the same. And I wanted something to do, to stay busy. So why not something that I really enjoy? Yes I need to make money, I’ve got to make some, so I can continue buying supplies to restore the seats & seatbelts.
That maybe another one of Jabins faults. He maybe taking on more than he can handle. So he really needs to stop taking people’s money BEFORE he can produce the product. I mean after all, since you have dabbled in harnessing, you know that’s a time consuming task. I have done a little myself, at my previous job.

I'm still needing a dual tank harness for my truck. I'm putting in 87 tanks and fuel injection pumps in to control the TBI engine in it. Do you sell these?

[TKCR]

Originally Posted by texxxan

I'm still needing a dual tank harness for my truck. I'm putting in 87 tanks and fuel injection pumps in to control the TBI engine in it. Do you sell these?

No, I’m sorry I don’t. I mainly do seats, seatbelts and interior parts restoration. Even though I did a little of this at my place of employment, where I retired from. Lol, I would have no desire to do them again. It just too tedious of work for my liking.

[texxxan]

Originally Posted by TKCR

No, I’m sorry I don’t. I mainly do seats, seatbelts and interior parts restoration. Even though I did a little of this at my place of employment, where I retired from. Lol, I would have no desire to do them again. It just too tedious of work for my liking.

Understandable.

[cadillac_al]

It's always sad when a good vendor goes bad. It does happen from time to time. It reminds me of Dave Dodge on the Honda V4 forums. He started out great and ended up a thief. I guess life situations change and money problems lead to desperation. I bought from Gmachinz a couple years ago and had no problems and good quality. It's too bad that this is no longer the case and I hope these are isolated incidents and he can rebuild his reputation.

I got burned on some Camaro parts a few years ago on ebay. I paid through paypal and the guy never shipped the parts and closed his paypal account. There isn't much you can do if people are so dishonest they change paypal accounts and bank accounts frequently. Sometime you just can't avoid getting screwed.

[texxxan]

Originally Posted by cadillac_al

It's always sad when a good vendor goes bad. It does happen from time to time. It reminds me of Dave Dodge on the Honda V4 forums. He started out great and ended up a thief. I guess life situations change and money problems lead to desperation. I bought from Gmachinz a couple years ago and had no problems and good quality. It's too bad that this is no longer the case and I hope these are isolated incidents and he can rebuild his reputation.

I got burned on some Camaro parts a few years ago on ebay. I paid through paypal and the guy never shipped the parts and closed his paypal account. There isn't much you can do if people are so dishonest they change paypal accounts and bank accounts frequently. Sometime you just can't avoid getting screwed.

That's true. I've only heard great things about the quality of his work, but now that he burned me, I see I am not the only one. I have my bank involved now. This will be my last recourse. The bank temporarily refunded my money until their investigation is complete. I will keep everyone informed of the final results. Either way, my goal is to prevent anyone else here from being burned like I did.

[TKCR]

Originally Posted by texxxan

That's true. I've only heard great things about the quality of his work, but now that he burned me, I see I am not the only one. I have my bank involved now. This will be my last recourse. The bank temporarily refunded my money until their investigation is complete. I will keep everyone informed of the final results. Either way, my goal is to prevent anyone else here from being burned like I did.

It is sad and frustrating that you have to go thru this. I know the feeling, from the time I was burned for $800. It wasn’t from anywhere or anyone on here, with truck items. It was for something else. But I let my guard down, in letting them talk me into using the F&F on PayPal. Worst mistake I ever made. It hurt! Not only my pocket, but my faith in people. I know not everyone is like this, but when someone does something like this to a person, it affects you. I just can’t imagine ever doing this to someone. I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night. And BTW, I was never able to recover that money. I hope you have better luck

[texxxan]

Originally Posted by TKCR

It is sad and frustrating that you have to go thru this. I know the feeling, from the time I was burned for $800. It wasn’t from anywhere or anyone on here, with truck items. It was for something else. But I let my guard down, in letting them talk me into using the F&F on PayPal. Worst mistake I ever made. It hurt! Not only my pocket, but my faith in people. I know not everyone is like this, but when someone does something like this to a person, it affects you. I just can’t imagine ever doing this to someone. I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night. And BTW, I was never able to recover that money. I hope you have better luck

It does suck. I'm pretty sure I'm going to lose here. Now, I will do everything I can to smut his name and ensure that people are at least aware of his habits.

[Dead Parrot]

Originally Posted by texxxan

It does suck. I'm pretty sure I'm going to lose here. Now, I will do everything I can to smut his name and ensure that people are at least aware of his habits.

I would be careful with this approach. It could open you to some type of defamation lawsuit from him and make matters even worse for you. A better approach is file a fraud complaint with your local law enforcement. If he is in a different state, file a 2nd complaint with the Attorney General in his state. Make sure you have also filed a "Failed to Deliver" complaint with Paypal. Not just a refund request but an actual thing that says "I paid but never received product." complaint. You seem to have a fair number of screen shots to back your complaint. Paypal many still hide behind the F&F TOS to avoid refunding your money but at least you will be on official record with your complaint. Keep track of what you do on the odd chance the harness shows up at some future point. You will want to delete/amend the complaints to reflect the new status.

At some point, move on and accept the fact the money is gone. I lost ~$70 on a kickstarter years ago. Despite many promises over a couple of years, the product was only delivered to few of several hundred backers. Even those lucky enough to get something were often disappointed with the quality. This hasn't kept me from backing many other KS since and none of the others have gone bad.

[texxxan]

I believe he is banned from this forum. Am I wrong? I know he is banned from other forums for doing this exact same thing. I only found out after I paid him. Like I said, lesson learned. I just hate that now I will avoid the small business person and always look at them with suspicion. No one wins here. Not even Jabin Wood.

[1774btcrew]

I receive lots of friends and family payments and have never taken someones money. I would never do so as this is my lively hood and word of mouth goes a long way(except in Jabin's case) I think maybe the quality of his work makes potential buyers willing to take the risk to purchase a product from him. I don't know of anyone else that does what he does. I hope something gets worked out for you. Not everyone has a conscience. If I took someone's money the thought of that would literally hang over my head for years

[texxxan]

Originally Posted by 1774btcrew

I receive lots of friends and family payments and have never taken someones money. I would never do so as this is my lively hood and word of mouth goes a long way(except in Jabin's case) I think maybe the quality of his work makes potential buyers willing to take the risk to purchase a product from him. I don't know of anyone else that does what he does. I hope something gets worked out for you. Not everyone has a conscience. If I took someone's money the thought of that would literally hang over my head for years

I'm the same way. That's why I didn't expect this to happen. Oh well. Lesson learned is all I can say.

[1774btcrew]

Originally Posted by texxxan

I'm the same way. That's why I didn't expect this to happen. Oh well. Lesson learned is all I can say.

I have a conscience and just know something like that would just eat away at me. When I was younger, I didn't always do things right and to this day, I still think about them. In my early 20s I had a great girlfriend that I cheated on. In my mid 30s I found her and reached out to her and sent her a long letter apologizing for everything. She was completely forgiving. Now that I am in my 40s I still feel bad. When I was in high school, I had a friends brother pick up $80 of parts for me and I never paid him(not intentionally) I am sure he has long forgotten but if I ran into him I would still hand him the money. That is just how I am. Like some other members have said, it may just show up at your door one day. I really don't think he intentionally ripped you off. I am sure you are not the only pissed off customer and dealing with upset people all of the time can make you just want to shut down. I think if I were to buy from Jabin again, I would purchase off eBay as 99.9% of the time they side with the buyer and will back you

[JJH Jimmy]

OK. I know nothing about a dual tank harness. But, what can be so complicated about it that you have to rely on someone in which it will be a crap shoot if you will see your money or the harness? Is it that much of a unicorn? Personally, I would research this great forum and if you cant find the the information to make your own reach out to some of the well respected knowledgeable members that are here (a couple that come to mind are LS1NOVA71 and Vette Vette) and i am sure they would be more than happy to help you out. That is what makes this place so great.

[texxxan]

Originally Posted by JJH Jimmy

OK. I know nothing about a dual tank harness. But, what can be so complicated about it that you have to rely on someone in which it will be a crap shoot if you will see your money or the harness? Is it that much of a unicorn? Personally, I would research this great forum and if you cant find the the information to make your own reach out to some of the well respected knowledgeable members that are here (a couple that come to mind are LS1NOVA71 and Vette Vette) and i am sure they would be more than happy to help you out. That is what makes this place so great.

You're absolutely right. That's exactly what I should have done. I just wanted a plug and play installation. I will look at making my own.

[44th Miss Inf]

I usually stay out of these types of discussions, but post like this show me a lot about the character (or lack of) of a lot of people.

I buy and sell a fair amount of stuff, preferably from individuals as to me, it helps those that love the hobby, trying to fund a project, or are looking for that hard to find part. I do work on the side also (welding floor pans, rockers, quarter panels etc on old cars, because none of the local body shops will) and though my regular paying job now involves me working a rotating shift, I always reply to calls or texts. May not be immediately, but within 12-24 hrs. I always explain this up front, BEFORE we reach an agreement.

My grandfather always said, “A man is only as good as his word. And sometimes that’s all that he’s got”

[texxxan]

On a positive note, I just bought this little beauty. Runs so good.

[SCOTI]

Originally Posted by texxxan

On a positive note, I just bought this little beauty. Runs so good.

Looks clean.