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LGCC10 · 06-21-2003, 11:19 PM

I got ripped off by a board member... "crawlin70"...
Jeff Grass from Escalon, CA..... Sent him a money order for step side fenders that he advertised on the parts board on 3/17/03...said he shipped them out on 4/25 and I still have not received them. I email and PM him consistentley and get no response....he took my $210 without a problem....if you know of him, please get in touch either way because I want my money back or the parts...he's a fraud as far as I'm concerned.

What should I do? Do you know of him?

Peter

r0lf- · 06-21-2003, 11:34 PM

did he give you tracking numbers for the items and such? You really should have had a better verbal agreement.

Power Trip · 06-21-2003, 11:34 PM

well that is real FU**ING ****ty I cant believe people would do that. I would put his address up here and see if anybody is close by.Jim

LGCC10 · 06-21-2003, 11:42 PM

He said that UPS would not ship because of the size, and that he "lost he but on the deal but it was worth it to help out a fellow trucker". He had to use a trucking company, and that he would find out what was going on weeks ago I even asked for the name of the company and I would find out and got no response.

His name is

Jeff Grass
Escalon CA

**old Rusty C10** · 06-22-2003, 12:11 AM

send the moderator a PM he can sometimes help some

Stroker · 06-22-2003, 01:29 AM

I do not know anything about crawlin70, but what he told you about shipping the step fenders by one of the ground carriers is true. I also found that shipping them by truck freight is very expensive Greyhound is much cheaper. But I agree two months have passed since he claimed to have shipped something smells a little rotten to me. I sure hope he does the right thing and either returns your money or gets your parts to you very soon. Good Luck and hope everything pans out...Stroker

**PICKMUP** · 06-22-2003, 03:09 AM

Well, we need to get this guy, "Policed up"!---literally!!! If he won't answer all of you emails right away, he has a problem and it needs to be taken care of.

jays68yak · 06-22-2003, 03:22 AM

woooohoooo there buddy
Can you please take that address and phone number off of the site. There is no need for that. I know Jeff and he is a great guy. Has helped me and another friend out a few times. He is camping out are the races this weekend and once he gets back I'll talk to him and see whats up. Im sure its all a misunderstanding.

Liftedassdodge · 06-22-2003, 03:25 AM

WHOA!!!

Jeff is a stand up guy, one of the best guys ive ever met, hes in my 4wd club and a good friend of mine

hes helped me out countless times with my truck and he currently has my cr500 cause hes borrowing it. I dont think id trust a $2500 piece of machinery to someone that wasnt trustworthy. As jays68yak said hes camping out at the nascar races. Im sure he will square up with you as soon as he sees this. And those names and addresses arent right just to tell you. Ive known the guy for quite a while now and i talk to him almost every day.

Dont jump to conclutions with this guy, hes cool, and doesnt do anyone wrong. If you wanna talk to more people about him go to www.norcalbigdawgs.net and post on the board over there, about everyone there knows him and will vouch for him.

***Josh*** · 06-22-2003, 03:26 AM

I have banned said member, I'll email him and let him know whats up. I have removed the address/phone #, in the future DO NOT post personal information like that on the board.

Liftedassdodge · 06-22-2003, 03:31 AM

check your pms, i pmed you, no need to bring my opinion to the board on your banning of jeff

hughnews1 · 06-22-2003, 08:19 AM

well I got ripped off by Primer67 for 2 doors from AZ ,, $200 never got the doors or $200 .. so yes It can happen on the board even had other board member drive by the last address..

Smooth68 · 06-22-2003, 11:25 AM

Stand up guy or not - its been almost 2 months and this buyer has gotten no response from seller or no refund. When there's alot of money involved and people are very long distanses away from each other, I say use every option a guy has to get some results. If it is a misunderstanding, it will be shown. Until then LGCC10 is out in the cold for is cash or parts.

Maybe some of these sellers don't realize what its like to be on the other end of the deal. They may just be trying to figure out shipping or something but with no word for a long period, people can get nervous about getting ripped off.

LGCC10 · 06-22-2003, 11:57 AM

If Jeff is a good guy, that is great and I hope that this is cleared up soon. I'm not looking to bash the guy but I have made many attemps to find out what is going on. If I offended anyone by posting personal info I do apologize. I would like to thank the poeple who are going to talk to Jeff and find out what is going on.

Thanks,
Pete

chris672 · 06-22-2003, 12:26 PM

Shipping companies do lose stuff or the address falls off and they have no idea where it is supposed to go. It happens all the time. I also know Jeff and have wheeled with him. He has no reason to rip someone off for $200. He just gave away a fully caged s-10 body with a custom dash for free. If he says that he shipped the fenders then I would believe him and you should be bad mouthing the shipping company, not Jeff

XXL · 06-22-2003, 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by chris672
If he says that he shipped the fenders then I would believe him and you should be bad mouthing the shipping company, not Jeff

What shipping company? It sounds like Peter has been trying to eek that information out of the seller for some time. Should he just call ALL shipping companies and "bad mouth" them? Seems like the seller could provide a little information to help the process along.

Kenneth

BLAZIN'72 · 06-22-2003, 01:44 PM

Well said XXL. What do you expect the man to do? Sit back and wait while crawlin70's out at the races having a good time? If you read the posts you'll notice that it was powertrip who suggested he post his address. I know lots of guys I would trust with just about anything I own, does that mean that the rest of you should?

SCOTI · 06-22-2003, 01:46 PM

A deal is not completed until both parties get what they agreed on. Now, since we don't know all the details of this particular deal, it sounds like 'crawlin70' got the money they agreed on (in a timely manner?), but 'LGCC10' hasn't gotten his parts.

If I were to sell something to a fellow board member, I would follow up on that sale to make sure it went right. Tracking #'s, dates shipped, ETA's are all pretty simple things to communicate so the purchaser can feel confident the seller is doing his part.

If there's a problem w/shipping, simply communicate the prob so it doesn't get compounded. If it's going to take a few weeks to get it shipped because your busy, let the buyer know in advance. When something leaves your posession @ the shippers, your not absolved of the situation until it arrives in the buyers posession. If they were lost, then both parties should work toward a resolution that's equally acceptable. Always pay whatever extra it costs for a tracking # to trace the status of the shipment, as well as insurance, in case something goes wrong (although that still doesn't garantee[sp?] there won't be a problem).

Liftedassdodge · 06-22-2003, 03:06 PM

well hes off at the races, hes had this planned for months, and im sure he didnt mean to do this, just wait till he gets back

jamesi20 · 06-23-2003, 01:34 PM

THIS JEFF CHARACTER GOT ME TOO FOR FIFTY BUCKS FOR SOME WINDOW REGULATORS.I FIGURE WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND

Liftedassdodge · 06-23-2003, 02:08 PM

this doesnt seem like jeff

crawlin70 · 06-23-2003, 02:09 PM

well pete if you have tried to im me its beond me cause you have been harrasing my wife for a week now. yea i fawked up . i have the fenders sitting here. i have been trying to find away to ship them when i put this stuff up for sale i did not know it was going to be a hassle to ship them. thanks for the heads up on greyhound i am gonna give them a call. the cheepest place i have found to ship them is 230 so yea im gonna lose my ass on this. it will be taken care of. im sorry i have not got back to you but i have been working 18 to 20 hrs aday. 2 jobs just to try and get my life straightend out. i sent you a pm just wanted to make sure everyone knew i was not avoiding this. as far as james i sent you one set and they where signed for 2 months ago. send me your fawkin addy and i will send you the set out of my truck i dont care. im not out to screw anybody but yea i got in over my head.
just like some parts with et's truck. i sent him a set of doors and the freght company smashed one and set the shipment back to me. it took me a month to find adoor as good as the other. well now the freight company wont ship them so im fawked once again. i told him i would send him his cash back as soon as i got it. hopfully this friday. oh and for the rest of you yea i went to the races it was my b-day present from my parents i got back in jan. so you can all screw off.

i have lerned on thing through this dont sell part unless the person can arrange shipping or pick them up.

oh and if ya all wana fawk with me my email is jeffg@centerstatepipe.com

**PICKMUP** · 06-23-2003, 02:23 PM

I hope this action on the board has gotten you some relults. Two months and he still has your parts...get your $$$back and move on. Don't try to make him take a big loss on shipping, even if he doesn't know what he is doing and is too wrapped up in other things to do what he said he would do. We don't want to screw with Jeff or any one else, but if you take someone's $$$, you better be able to produce the parts!!! Get out of this deal and try again somewhere else. My little nickles worth

SCOTI · 06-23-2003, 02:26 PM

I don't believe anyone had a problem w/you going to the races. Happy B-day.

Slammed67 · 06-23-2003, 02:27 PM

LGCC10: You say that he said that he shipped them 4/25? But he just said that he hasn't shipped them? I'm confused. Sounds like you've been Brian Wolfed! I'd ask for your money back.

Wow...... that must have been a loooooooong race! Who won??

06-21-2003, 11:19 PM	#1
LGCC10 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: L.I.,NY Posts: 49	Ripped off by board member? I got ripped off by a board member... "crawlin70"... Jeff Grass from Escalon, CA..... Sent him a money order for step side fenders that he advertised on the parts board on 3/17/03...said he shipped them out on 4/25 and I still have not received them. I email and PM him consistentley and get no response....he took my $210 without a problem....if you know of him, please get in touch either way because I want my money back or the parts...he's a fraud as far as I'm concerned. What should I do? Do you know of him? Peter

06-21-2003, 11:34 PM	#2
r0lf- Hotwheels? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Pleasant Hill, CA Posts: 1,145	did he give you tracking numbers for the items and such? You really should have had a better verbal agreement. __________________ 1978 Money Pit - CUSTOM DELUXE!!!!

06-21-2003, 11:34 PM	#3
Power Trip Got Caddy? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: DeSoto,MO. Posts: 115	well that is real FUING **ty I cant believe people would do that. I would put his address up here and see if anybody is close by.Jim __________________ 1969 c-10 swb fleetside with dreams of a caddy 500 Bagged shaved and rollin' on 18's Future bumper sticker. Looks like a chevy, runs like a caddy!

06-22-2003, 12:11 AM	#5
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06-22-2003, 01:29 AM	#6
Stroker Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Moore, Ok Posts: 1,149	I do not know anything about crawlin70, but what he told you about shipping the step fenders by one of the ground carriers is true. I also found that shipping them by truck freight is very expensive Greyhound is much cheaper. But I agree two months have passed since he claimed to have shipped something smells a little rotten to me. I sure hope he does the right thing and either returns your money or gets your parts to you very soon. Good Luck and hope everything pans out...Stroker __________________ 72 SWB parts and pieces Oklahoma

06-21-2003, 11:42 PM	#4
LGCC10 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: L.I.,NY Posts: 49	He said that UPS would not ship because of the size, and that he "lost he but on the deal but it was worth it to help out a fellow trucker". He had to use a trucking company, and that he would find out what was going on weeks ago I even asked for the name of the company and I would find out and got no response. His name is Jeff Grass Escalon CA

06-22-2003, 03:09 AM	#7
PICKMUP "Trucks with Class" Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: OLYMPIA, WA, USA Posts: 8,169	Well, we need to get this guy, "Policed up"!---literally!!! If he won't answer all of you emails right away, he has a problem and it needs to be taken care of. __________________ Email: frankeham@comcast.net Phone: 360-956-7170

06-22-2003, 03:22 AM	#8
jays68yak Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gilroy, CA Posts: 1,454	woooohoooo there buddy Can you please take that address and phone number off of the site. There is no need for that. I know Jeff and he is a great guy. Has helped me and another friend out a few times. He is camping out are the races this weekend and once he gets back I'll talk to him and see whats up. Im sure its all a misunderstanding. __________________ 1969 Chevy Project SWB Fleet, 20s, 5.3, t56, in the weeds. 1970 Chevy Truck cab on a 1979 Jimmy frame-8.1 liter 496 bbc/sm465/np203-jeds doubler-np205/d60/14bff Welded/42 tsls on recentered H1s 1998 Chevy Crew Cab K3500 SAS'd with hpd60, links and swayaway coilovers. 8.1l vortec DD/towrig "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me. "

06-22-2003, 03:25 AM	#9
Liftedassdodge The Stunt Guy Join Date: May 2003 Location: Danville, ca Posts: 132	WHOA!!! Jeff is a stand up guy, one of the best guys ive ever met, hes in my 4wd club and a good friend of mine hes helped me out countless times with my truck and he currently has my cr500 cause hes borrowing it. I dont think id trust a $2500 piece of machinery to someone that wasnt trustworthy. As jays68yak said hes camping out at the nascar races. Im sure he will square up with you as soon as he sees this. And those names and addresses arent right just to tell you. Ive known the guy for quite a while now and i talk to him almost every day. Dont jump to conclutions with this guy, hes cool, and doesnt do anyone wrong. If you wanna talk to more people about him go to www.norcalbigdawgs.net and post on the board over there, about everyone there knows him and will vouch for him.

06-22-2003, 03:26 AM	#10
*Josh* He's got mean nasty FANGS! Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Rockwell, NC Posts: 6,504	I have banned said member, I'll email him and let him know whats up. I have removed the address/phone #, in the future DO NOT post personal information like that on the board. __________________ 2004 K2500 Burb 1999 C3500 1985 Cutlass Supreme 1969 C-10 1967 C-10 Panel josh@67-72chevytrucks.com

06-22-2003, 03:31 AM	#11
Liftedassdodge The Stunt Guy Join Date: May 2003 Location: Danville, ca Posts: 132	check your pms, i pmed you, no need to bring my opinion to the board on your banning of jeff

06-22-2003, 08:19 AM	#12
hughnews1 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hudson FL gulf coast Posts: 624	well I got ripped off by Primer67 for 2 doors from AZ ,, $200 never got the doors or $200 .. so yes It can happen on the board even had other board member drive by the last address..

06-22-2003, 11:25 AM	#13
Smooth68 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: West Fork, Arkansas - Razorback Country Posts: 1,826	Stand up guy or not - its been almost 2 months and this buyer has gotten no response from seller or no refund. When there's alot of money involved and people are very long distanses away from each other, I say use every option a guy has to get some results. If it is a misunderstanding, it will be shown. Until then LGCC10 is out in the cold for is cash or parts. Maybe some of these sellers don't realize what its like to be on the other end of the deal. They may just be trying to figure out shipping or something but with no word for a long period, people can get nervous about getting ripped off. __________________ Smooth68's Web Site WTB 64-66 project or frame/cab, SWB or LWB...I have the fever! Whatcha got?? '68 Short Step - Shaved Body, Soon Bagged - *SOLD* Driver-2004 GMC Z-71 Ext-cab Last edited by Smooth68; 06-22-2003 at 11:27 AM.

06-22-2003, 11:57 AM	#14
LGCC10 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: L.I.,NY Posts: 49	If Jeff is a good guy, that is great and I hope that this is cleared up soon. I'm not looking to bash the guy but I have made many attemps to find out what is going on. If I offended anyone by posting personal info I do apologize. I would like to thank the poeple who are going to talk to Jeff and find out what is going on. Thanks, Pete

06-22-2003, 12:26 PM	#15
chris672 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 4	Shipping companies do lose stuff or the address falls off and they have no idea where it is supposed to go. It happens all the time. I also know Jeff and have wheeled with him. He has no reason to rip someone off for $200. He just gave away a fully caged s-10 body with a custom dash for free. If he says that he shipped the fenders then I would believe him and you should be bad mouthing the shipping company, not Jeff



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06-22-2003, 01:44 PM	#17
BLAZIN'72 Active Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ontario,CA. Posts: 108	Well said XXL. What do you expect the man to do? Sit back and wait while crawlin70's out at the races having a good time? If you read the posts you'll notice that it was powertrip who suggested he post his address. I know lots of guys I would trust with just about anything I own, does that mean that the rest of you should?

06-22-2003, 01:46 PM	#18
SCOTI Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: DALLAS,TX Posts: 21,910	A deal is not completed until both parties get what they agreed on. Now, since we don't know all the details of this particular deal, it sounds like 'crawlin70' got the money they agreed on (in a timely manner?), but 'LGCC10' hasn't gotten his parts. If I were to sell something to a fellow board member, I would follow up on that sale to make sure it went right. Tracking #'s, dates shipped, ETA's are all pretty simple things to communicate so the purchaser can feel confident the seller is doing his part. If there's a problem w/shipping, simply communicate the prob so it doesn't get compounded. If it's going to take a few weeks to get it shipped because your busy, let the buyer know in advance. When something leaves your posession @ the shippers, your not absolved of the situation until it arrives in the buyers posession. If they were lost, then both parties should work toward a resolution that's equally acceptable. Always pay whatever extra it costs for a tracking # to trace the status of the shipment, as well as insurance, in case something goes wrong (although that still doesn't garantee[sp?] there won't be a problem). __________________ 67SWB-B.B.RetroRod 64SWB-Recycle 89CCDually-Driver/Tow Truck 99CCSWB Driver All Fleetsides @rattlecankustoms in IG Building a small, high rpm engine with the perfect bore, stroke and rod ratio is very impressive. It's like a highly skilled Morrocan sword fighter with a Damascus Steel Scimitar..... *Cubic inches is like Indiana Jones with a cheap pistol.* Last edited by SCOTI; 06-22-2003 at 01:49 PM.

06-22-2003, 03:06 PM	#19
Liftedassdodge The Stunt Guy Join Date: May 2003 Location: Danville, ca Posts: 132	well hes off at the races, hes had this planned for months, and im sure he didnt mean to do this, just wait till he gets back

06-23-2003, 01:34 PM	#20
jamesi20 Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: NORTHEAST OHIO Posts: 493	HE GOT ME TOO THIS JEFF CHARACTER GOT ME TOO FOR FIFTY BUCKS FOR SOME WINDOW REGULATORS.I FIGURE WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND

06-23-2003, 02:08 PM	#21
Liftedassdodge The Stunt Guy Join Date: May 2003 Location: Danville, ca Posts: 132	this doesnt seem like jeff

06-23-2003, 02:09 PM	#22
crawlin70 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: escalon ca. Posts: 9	well pete if you have tried to im me its beond me cause you have been harrasing my wife for a week now. yea i fawked up . i have the fenders sitting here. i have been trying to find away to ship them when i put this stuff up for sale i did not know it was going to be a hassle to ship them. thanks for the heads up on greyhound i am gonna give them a call. the cheepest place i have found to ship them is 230 so yea im gonna lose my ass on this. it will be taken care of. im sorry i have not got back to you but i have been working 18 to 20 hrs aday. 2 jobs just to try and get my life straightend out. i sent you a pm just wanted to make sure everyone knew i was not avoiding this. as far as james i sent you one set and they where signed for 2 months ago. send me your fawkin addy and i will send you the set out of my truck i dont care. im not out to screw anybody but yea i got in over my head. just like some parts with et's truck. i sent him a set of doors and the freght company smashed one and set the shipment back to me. it took me a month to find adoor as good as the other. well now the freight company wont ship them so im fawked once again. i told him i would send him his cash back as soon as i got it. hopfully this friday. oh and for the rest of you yea i went to the races it was my b-day present from my parents i got back in jan. so you can all screw off. i have lerned on thing through this dont sell part unless the person can arrange shipping or pick them up. oh and if ya all wana fawk with me my email is jeffg@centerstatepipe.com

06-23-2003, 02:23 PM	#23
PICKMUP "Trucks with Class" Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: OLYMPIA, WA, USA Posts: 8,169	LGCC10 I hope this action on the board has gotten you some relults. Two months and he still has your parts...get your $$$back and move on. Don't try to make him take a big loss on shipping, even if he doesn't know what he is doing and is too wrapped up in other things to do what he said he would do. We don't want to screw with Jeff or any one else, but if you take someone's $$$, you better be able to produce the parts!!! Get out of this deal and try again somewhere else. My little nickles worth __________________ Email: frankeham@comcast.net Phone: 360-956-7170

06-23-2003, 02:26 PM	#24
SCOTI Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: DALLAS,TX Posts: 21,910	I don't believe anyone had a problem w/you going to the races. Happy B-day. __________________ 67SWB-B.B.RetroRod 64SWB-Recycle 89CCDually-Driver/Tow Truck 99CCSWB Driver All Fleetsides @rattlecankustoms in IG Building a small, high rpm engine with the perfect bore, stroke and rod ratio is very impressive. It's like a highly skilled Morrocan sword fighter with a Damascus Steel Scimitar..... *Cubic inches is like Indiana Jones with a cheap pistol.*

06-23-2003, 02:27 PM	#25
Slammed67 Progress = 0% Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 2,108	LGCC10: You say that he said that he shipped them 4/25? But he just said that he hasn't shipped them? I'm confused. Sounds like you've been Brian Wolfed! I'd ask for your money back. Wow...... that must have been a loooooooong race! Who won?? __________________ Jason - '67 GMC swb \| '57 Bel-Air 4dr hardtop \| '56 210 4dr Wagon \| 2000 GMC Sierra Last edited by Slammed67; 06-23-2003 at 02:33 PM.

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