200r4 vs 700r4

[MDC]

What are the pros and cons of each?

[Sonny's at Work]

Mainly price if it is a daily driver. Big HP go with the 700R4. Go with the 2004R if you don't plan to put a bunch of ponies behind it. I also heard that the ratios in the 2004R work great with a 3.73 rear end. I have the 700R4 and I love it. My only complaint is anything more than half-throttle at speed will make it downshift. Easy fix tho.

Sonny

[cdowns]

2004r fits right in place of a th350 no driveshaft mods// spend the same money on a built 200or 700 the 200 is by far the stronger of the 2 that's why they put them in the turbo buick grand nationals in the 80's// and yes the gearing is better in a 2004R

[CoolRide]

I had a 700r behind a built 400 sb and it was great. Smoke the tires till I decided to lift, and fairly good mpg cause of the fourth gear I was at like 1200 rpm at 60 on leval highway. I found a recipt (sp) in the glove box for nearly $1300 worth of trans work from previous owner though...

[70 Bowtie]

I'm not trying to hijack, but what vehicles do you find 2004r in?

Thanks

Brett

[farside847]

Originally Posted by 70 Bowtie

I'm not trying to hijack, but what vehicles do you find 2004r in?

Thanks

Brett

Oh, Id love that info too.....

[formula_raider]

I have a 700 in my truck but if something ever happened to it I would go with a 200 just because of the gear ratio.
TH350 200 700
2.52 2.78 3.06 1st
1.52 1.57 1.63 2nd
1.00 1.00 1.00 3rd
.67 .70 4th

The 700 has such a low 1st gear that there is a noticable bog between 1st and 2nd gear compared to a 200. As you can see the 200 is a close match to the TH350 minus the overdrive. 700 has a little more overdrive to it however. Most good transmission shops can make the 200 reliable to 450HP for the same price as the 700.

[pound41]

200R will be found in V8 Montes maybe 6cyl. not sure. Buick grand Nationals probably caprice/impalas. I have a 85 Monte Carlo SS that was once a VA State Police Car. Got it in 87. 200R and 373 rear. When you take and get on it from 1st to 2nd. the tires chirp and the rear rocks side ways. Very good on the high end as well. 55/60 at 2 grand with plenty of power. Don't know if any modes were done to that tranny. But it reminds me of my turbo 400 that was built on the low end shifting.

[Longhorn Man]

Check out Art Car's web site, he does nothing but 200 4R trannys.


Another pro on the 200 4R, which only matters to a hand full of us...90% of them have the BOP bellhousing bolt pattern in addition to the odd ball chevy pattern.

[Boog]

I rarely hear anyone talk of the 200's. I surely never heard they were stronger than the 700's. 700's are more widely used than the 200's were? I can see an advantage with the 700's lower first gear ratio for getting a heavy vehicle like a truck moving but I don't particularly like the amount of rpm drop from 1st to 2nd. I would think 1st and 2nd should be closer together with the bigger rpm drop going from 2nd to 3rd since the vehicle is by this time moving pretty good. Obviously I did not design em...

[jbon64]

a few things to keep in mind , the 200 is the same length as a short shaft th350 , the 700r4 is same as a long tail th350 ....or so i hear /read

[DTerry]

Originally Posted by Boog

I rarely hear anyone talk of the 200's. I surely never heard they were stronger than the 700's.....

Yeah me too. Learnin' here, subscribed. The 200 sounds like a decent option under certain conditions. Gotta look into making them tough. And to think I just gave one away.[headbang]

(D)

[jostrans68]

200 can be built to tow and all also I have one May sell as project going another way here are some sites
http://www.transmissioncenter.net/200-4R.htm
http://www.200raptor.com/
just a few Jack

[incoma]

I am getting a 200 4R installed in my truck this week. I got screwed when I bought it and needed it rebuilt - but that's for another thread. It will bolt right in place of a 350 with NO MODS. That's nice if everything else is strong and ready to go. You will need to wire the lockup - just like a 700, and the tv-cable will need proper adjusting - just like a 700.

I'm questioning the decision, as I eventually want to put a 5.3/4L60E in my truck or TPI as an intermediate upgrade. I'm not sure how to install a VSS in the tranny.

Another odd bit of info about the 200. The case is solid from the front bellhousing mount to the tailshaft - unlike the other trannies which have a removable tailshaft. So, when you buy one, make sure you're putting in the correct speedometer drive gear on the shaft, because if you don't, the entire guts of the transmission have to come out to put it on.

I had a 12 tooth gear installed on my transmission. With 27" tires, 28" tires, and 29" tires I have 3 different driven gears I can install to calibrate my speedomter.

Lots of math, and planning on this install.

To answer an earlier question - the 200 4R transmission came on many Pontiacs, Olds, and Buick cars of the mid to late 80's. Hopefully next week, I'll be able to tell you how it handles.

[Longhorn Man]

Originally Posted by incoma

...It will bolt right in place of a 350 with NO MODS..

That may be a little misleading...
If your truck is equipped with a TH350 SHORT SHAFT tranny, then the overall length is close enough to not have to modify the driveshaft. (there is like 1/4 differance) Also, the transmiossion crossmember will need to be moved to the TH400 location, holes are already drilled. Again, within something like 1/4 inch, but close enough.

Originally Posted by incoma

...the 200 4R transmission came on many Pontiacs, Olds, and Buick cars of the mid to late 80's...

While true, they are not all created the same. You'll need to look at your flexplate for your aplication. Some have raised points to bolt the converter to, others are flat. The Chevy ones are flat. You'll want the donor car to have the same set up. In the case of getting a tranny from a car with raised pads on the flex plate, what can be overcome with washers, but that lengthens the converter bolts, and causes a weak point. However, if you have an odd ball engine, and have the raised pads on the flex plate, you DON'T want the donor car to be that with a flat flexplate, the converter may not be pulled out far enough when bolted down, and pump damage may result.
The TV cable issue is just like you always read on the 700 4R, very picky, and MUST be set right or a rather expensive paper weight will result in short order.

[70 Bowtie]

You guy's rock

Brett

[5150]

Hey Andy,

Do you have any idea which ones had the flat flexplate or raised ones? I might decide to go witht he 2004r instead of the 700. Might make a trip down to the Pull-a-part in Nashville.

Just don't want to buy it and it be a paper weight in my garage

[ABHaulR]

the 2004r uses metric converter bolts. i have one in my 72 sub. it turns my
40" boggers with no problem behind a sbc. soon to be a bbc. same trans
with the same divorced t/c.
Dwayne

[Longhorn Man]

I can't remember, sorry. However, certianly if it is bolted to a SBC, it'll have the flat flexplate.

[ABHaulR]

no its got the steps in the bolt holes
Dwayne

[Longhorn Man]

Hmmmm, haven't even seen a old school small block flywheel in over a year,... I was thinking they were flat.

[vtblazer]

Funny how just when your wondering something...there's a thead about it!

I'm definetly going to research this, having an overdrive is the goal for this year.
I have a 700r sitting in my garage but like the idea of the 200r better so far.

[72MARIO]

If your getting a shift kit in you 700R make sure they upgrade the necessary parts so that the extra stress is passed on to parts that can handle it. Two of which are the Imput Sprag and the Sunshell. Or mabye consider a scatter shield. Dont think the money spent on a 700r will EVER pay it's self back in my position.

The motor is a 355 with stock heads a RPM intake and a 67 327/350 HP cam. Not no 600hp BB.

[Boog]

Dang man! That one sure failed the stress test! I don't know that I've ever seen an automatic blown up so bad. Did you have the firmness setting on KILL? LOL.

[72MARIO]

Trans Go kit Stage 2 nothing really over kill.....