would our trucks be considered muscle trucks?

[MrC1]

Originally Posted by leos11104

wow honda guys i have a 92 civic hatch with a built b18c1 gt35 turbo cage hondata running 10.98 at bandimere in colorado (high altitude)

So sorry.

Must be fun to go so fast, but doing it in a Honduh would take most of the fun out of it for me.

[John Fabris]

10 years earlier then the dodge is the 68 SS El Camino. Is this not considered the first muscle truck?

[MrC1]

Originally Posted by sameyrasmea72

The 454ss may may have been built to be a muscle truck, but they sure didn't seem to have much "muscle".

This is very true, but at the time, it was all Detriot was capable of.....mostly due to a lack of funding I'm sure.

[americanmusc1e]

Originally Posted by brad_man_72

i refer to my truck a muscle truck.
Timeless looks, modern comforts, decent power, and sounds mean.

x2

[americanmusc1e]

Originally Posted by John Fabris

10 years earlier then the dodge is the 68 SS El Camino. Is this not considered the first muscle truck?

I'd say so,
how bout a 67 short fleet with a 327/4spd and 4.10's
I'd say so

[americanmusc1e]

Originally Posted by MrC1

So sorry.

Must be fun to go so fast, but doing it in a Honduh would take most of the fun out of it for me.

X2 doing it in a 40 year old vehicle is much more fun.

Its funny how engines designed in the fifties(chevy small block) and sixties(chevy big block) can beat up on modern "high tech" engines, not just four cylinders either. ford 4.6's and 5.7/6.1 hemi's have to work hard to beat a good chevy smallblock(most of the time you can build a small block for less)

[72 SUPER10]

yeah they are muscle,

[combustion]

Originally Posted by leos11104

wow honda guys i have a 92 civic hatch with a built b18c1 gt35 turbo cage hondata running 10.98 at bandimere in colorado (high altitude)

thatsa pretty big turbo. what are your numbers? fastest honda i have had was a k20a eg hatch. k pro, bone stock R swap , all motor full interior 230lb driver. i could not break past the 13's without slicks. bs traction problems of fwd. the street tires dont help either. 12.7 is my best

back to topic. i always looked at them as one. but i guess not and you guys pointed out why. either way, they are ballin rodzz

[72 SUPER10]

I WOULD RUN THE HONDA ANYTIME WITH MY TRUCK. JUST STANDING UP UP FOR THE OLD RED WHITE AND BLUE

[Painter D]

Originally Posted by sameyrasmea72

The 454ss may may have been built to be a muscle truck, but they sure didn't seem to have much "muscle". When I think of a muscle like factory truck put out by GM, I would think of a late 70's-79 454. Those trucks halled butt. I have heard from several people that they were the fastest production vehicle at the time.

Agreed

If the 454ss is considered a muscle truck ,I'd definately consider my truck as a muscle truck. I raced one of those the other day at a local dragstrip and ate it for lunch.

[69halfton]

yes.

a picture is worth 1000 words.

[lofly'a]

at least i got a muscle something
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[brad_man_72]

if these aren't "muscle trucks" then that term is dead to me.
just because the term minivan was coined 40 years later doesnt mean a vw bus / or corvair van isn't one.
and i dont think any one thing makes a truck a muscle truck, its a combination of styling (we all know they have good muscular lines) combined with stance, sound, and performance.

I personally wanted a muscle car as my toy, but i need a truck for hauling and towing. so i was instantly drawn to these trucks and purchased one when i found exactly what i was looking for. since ive owned the truck ive tried to modify it just like if i had a muscle CAR, corrected the stance, exhaust and some engine mods, then moved on to better brakes and some handeling improvements, some body modifications (mirrors, smooth tailgate w chevrolet scrip emblem from camaro) better seat, and now im doing a 5.3 4l60e swap.

these trucks are pretty versatile, you can make them what you want them to be, farm beater, monster truck, work truck, hot rod, kustom, housing, pro touring and muscle. theirs not many vehicles that look natural being so many different things.

[72BLUZ]

it is considered to be in the muscle era. anything up to a 72. thats from some of the shows that want allow anything newer than a 72

[special-K]

A Honda isn`t a muscle truck.Get`em outta this thread.

A car with a big motor HD trans,full instrumentation,posi,bucket seats is a muscle car.There were trucks built like that,too.

A 78/79 360 had the hp of a 318 ten years earlier and drank twice as much fuel.I remember reading an article on how is that better for the environment.Pollution controls don`t compensate for burning twice the fuel for lower emmisions.Then,there was the 383 that could blow the doors off a 360.

[67CHIP72]

Originally Posted by special-K

it`s not about the body style.It`s about the drivetrain.A Nova,Malibu,Biscayne,etc isn`t a muscle car until it comes equipped for perormance.The term didn`t exist until the era had passed.We used the term "Detroit Muscle" back then to refer to american factory performance rides.That`s what the "Muscle Cars" name evolved from.
Those lil`Red Wagons were ater the Muscle Car era and just an appearance package.A Plain Jane`63 D100 with wide block 318 could outrun a 360 Lil`Red wagon.Now,about the 383 equipped Dodge rom the muscle car era that I`d consider a muscle truck.
Darn,I can`t find the ad with Don Knotts arguing over the "Dude
package truck equipped with 383 and racing stripes from`71.The argument was over it being for work or play.
Since the term muscle car is not a factory term and created by the public,i`d say there is no argument.You are both right.It`s in your perception.You two could also run down a list of cars from this era and argue some are or are not muscle cars.Is a Cadillac Coupe de Ville with a 500 a muscle car?It`s the biggest motor out in a sport coupe that goes back to the depression era when the largest American cars had the big motors and built for sport and speed.I say it`s in the eye of the beholder.Nothing to argue over.

You said Don Knotts so I had to look and laughed my a$$ off at this one. He still cracks me up!

YouTube - Don Knotts for Dodge Trucks 1964 or...

[Bishops Trucks]

I'm building my version of what GM would have produced with Yenko if they had built a truck together. A '71 Yenko 427 ST with an M22, a 12 bolt posi & many more speed goodies. My plan is to have it appear to be factory built. I do have to agree though, the true muscle car is a factory built performance vehicle.

[BT Classics]

Originally Posted by John Fabris

10 years earlier then the dodge is the 68 SS El Camino. Is this not considered the first muscle truck?

Dodge started offering a high performance package for the trucks in 1964. 426 Wedge, tach, heavy duty gauges, power steering, dual exhaust and traction bars. The trucks are very rare but I think this might be the first time a truck package was offered to compete with detroit muscle cars.

[1bad chevy]

Originally Posted by John Fabris

10 years earlier then the dodge is the 68 SS El Camino. Is this not considered the first muscle truck?

ther ya go you said it all and beat me to it. now that is a true definition of what a MUSCLE TRUCK IS and also remember we the 67-72 guy's are by gm classified as THE SPORT TRUCK ERA so with that said yea we are cOnsidered in my mind MUSCLE TRUCK'S

[weasel29gm]

Regardless of what term is used the last good truck made was '72!!!!!

[leddzepp]

Originally Posted by weasel29gm

Regardless of what term is used the last good truck made was '72!!!!!

amen to that!

[VanceH]

I consider mine a muscle truck, its going to take alot of muscle to get this thing cleaned up and a running!!

[mr48chev]

Looks like you got the June 09 Hot Rod in the mail before everyone else did lol.

I don't think our trucks qualify in the true sense of the term. Production rig with a big engine, light body and intended to go fast.
The few special order big block trucks might be the exception but as there were no special "hot truck" packages from the factory.
Think what would have happened in late 66 if Chevy had offered a shortie 67 that was deluxed out with the buddy seats, strong 396, car style 4 speed and a few other tricks in the package.
Bucket seats weren't a requirement for a muscle car in the mid and late 60's. A guy couldn't have his favorite gal next to him if she was sitting way over there in the other bucket seat. I special ordered my 69 Cutlass S with a 310 hp 350, Muncie close box, 3.42 Posi and bench seat the only other option on the list being the am-fm multiplex radio. Probably the shortest option list on any Olds Williams & Swanson in Renton, Wa ever sold. I didn't want buckets because I wanted my very hot girlfriend at the time very close when I came back from Viet Nam (car was special ordered from there) and besides that they cost a couple hundred more.

[BT Classics]

Originally Posted by 1bad chevy

67-72 guy's are by gm classified as THE SPORT TRUCK ERA

I thought Sport Trucks were those factory packages after the 1970's. Such as Chevy S10 SS, 454 SS, S10 Cameo; GMC Sierra GT, Syclone, Typhoon, Sonoma GT; Ford Lightning; Dodge Ram SS/T, Indy 500, SRT10, Shelby Dakota, Lil Red Dakota

[special-K]

Originally Posted by John Fabris

10 years earlier then the dodge is the 68 SS El Camino. Is this not considered the first muscle truck?

True,except they aren`t a true truck since they are built on a car platform and it just has all the car stuff on it.
And...

Originally Posted by BT Classics

Dodge started offering a high performance package for the trucks in 1964. 426 Wedge, tach, heavy duty gauges, power steering, dual exhaust and traction bars. The trucks are very rare but I think this might be the first time a truck package was offered to compete with detroit muscle cars.

Then,this guy down here...vvv...must have skipped over this up here...^^^...and quoted John`s statement.

Originally Posted by 1bad chevy

ther ya go you said it all and beat me to it. now that is a true definition of what a MUSCLE TRUCK IS and also remember we the 67-72 guy's are by gm classified as THE SPORT TRUCK ERA so with that said yea we are cOnsidered in my mind MUSCLE TRUCK'S

Then this guy said...vvv

Originally Posted by BT Classics

I thought Sport Trucks were those factory packages after the 1970's. Such as Chevy S10 SS, 454 SS, S10 Cameo; GMC Sierra GT, Syclone, Typhoon, Sonoma GT; Ford Lightning; Dodge Ram SS/T, Indy 500, SRT10, Shelby Dakota, Lil Red Dakota

So I say,"Sport Truck?Oh,like a`67 CST?As in Custom Sport Truck?"

Since last reading this a thought hit me.I doubt most on this sight,due to their age,can really appreciate the signifigance of bucket seats & console in these trucks.No one but me has mentioned them to support the "factory" Muscle Truck status of some of the 67-72s.This was the 1st they ever went in a truck.Originally,bucket seats were a sports car thing that found it`s was into American Muscle by the`60s when what we refer to as Muscle Cars began.Usually found with a 4-on-the-floor although Pony Cars came out with console shift automatics.Did mustangs come with column shifts at all?I`m not sure but I believe 3spd,4spd,and automatic came on the floor and only bucket seats.The`63 Riviera has all buckets and all console automatics.Our trucks have all that except 4spd.I saw where someone mentioned a 4spd trick as part of the muscle thing.Not quite so,they were work tansmissions with wide ratio and long throw.The manual option for performance would have only been a 3spd.That`s what the`68 396 I had ran,with heavy clutch option as well as heavy trans option.Those things ran out!!That tall 1st would have yopu out 1/2 a car length in 50'.Hit second and wind it out!!I`m gettin`excited just remembering how that was.That was a muscle truck,I don`t care what anyone says.And,that`s exactly what these borthers were thinking when they ordered them.
Nowadays most cars have buckets and hardly any bench seats.Back then hardly anything had buckets and mostly bench.