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Old 10-11-2020, 10:50 PM   #26
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Is the Duramax a good engine or any diesel these days?

I have known too many people I know of who had nothing but issues with diesels.

Two major corporations I know ditched most of the diesel service trucks for new gas models. Supposedly they were the problem ones, and they continue to do it anytime a truck fails to much in a quarter roughly.

My company is going to ditch our diesel pick up next issue it has with the re-gen system. Our new delivery truck is the Ford 6.2 gas. The old delivery truck was the 6.4, but was having problems a little to often. Especially when we needed it most. One time its emission system sh*t the bed on a Saturday, and I had a crane lift Monday 7am 2 hours away. So I had to use my personal truck to haul everything up there last minute. Which was a pita because we had to load up Sunday morning, and the Sales Lady had to meet us to turn off the alarms. Plus rescue the driver since he was on her jobs at the time. I am at a small shop.

My uncle lemon lawed 4 diesel trucks in litterly 3 years. It was 2 GM's with constant injector issues. A Ford where the turbo blew under load after 6 months of constant issues with 4 of the 6 months in the shop. A Dodge which was the best till it grenaded on the 14 fly going up hill.

I get it if you really want to tow heavy they lay down the power, but I personally don't ever see myself buying one. That is with the state of current, and recent smog systems. I read there is supposedly a new horizon that provides hope, but i will save judgement till then.

When I was getting my 18 Silverado I really really wanted a 1 ton crew cab dually, but with the 6.0 gasser. The consumer side of the dealerships were throwing huge discounts for diesels, and the commercial side had none with beds. Plus would not get me one with a bed. So I got a more reasonable truck for my life.
The company I work for has a fleet of f250's. All gas engines for the same reasons you brought up. Just not worth the headaches to run diesels.
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Old 10-11-2020, 11:55 PM   #27
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I’m not sure if your fleet of F250’s is the same as ours but damn it seems like 3/4’s of them have the hard start issue. It takes them what seems like 10 seconds of constant cranking before they come to life. We’ve got 30+ of the aluminum trucks from ‘17-current and it seems to affect all years of them. We trade trucks off at 120-150k and we’ve had a few of the early aluminum trucks already miled out and traded off that had starting problems their whole life. The local dealer still hasn’t found a lasting solution to it. Apparently it’s something fuel related... my company owned ‘18 GMC starts up perfect every time! 75K and it’s only had oil changes, tires and 1 set of front brakes.
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beat this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL4OeiMjvtk
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Old 10-12-2020, 01:14 AM   #29
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I saw today on fox that the 21 Silverado 3500 will pull 36,000 with the duramax and 10 speed ally. 250 lbs more than the f350. Anyone who ever tries to put that much weight behind a pickup is nuts. I’ve got a cdl and I use it frequently. I wouldn’t even consider it.
I have a dodge 5500 and wouldn't try it. Most I have pulled is a 8k trailer with a 14k load. Even with the motor turned up it couldn't handle any more wieght on a hill at interstate speeds. I also have a 6spd manual, 4 spd auxilary, and 4.44 gears. A 36k load is just nuts. I am half way through the 3rd set of tires at 75k miles and they are 19.5s.
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You posted that while I was typing. I bet that auto was shot after that commercial.
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Old 10-12-2020, 08:05 AM   #31
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That truck is doing two things there. It's making 187 tons move and it is supporting the weight of the front trailer. Notice the smaller logs and shorter stack, as well as the 5th wheel mounted ahead of the axle and trailer trucks set at almost the center of that load. Still a heck of a load on that thing, as you can see. That poor TH350 and I wonder if the chain stretched inside that NP203. I would like it better if we could hear that truck strain and moan

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Old 10-12-2020, 01:33 PM   #32
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Any truck properly equipped can pull super heavy on a level road at 5 mph but even at that speed ,it didnt stop to well. Trucks ratings are getting stupid when brand new and everything works well it probably can stop the 30k with the truck brakes again on a level road going reasonable . But you get into the mountrains and the trailer brakes fad from heat your screwed. Some trailers have electric over pneumatic discs but I wouldn't want to pulling that much weight with an in essence a light duty truck.

You might get up that realm of weight doing commercial loads but I dont think you would be anywhere near the max towing a camper. Most campers are now lightweight construction. Even a 40ft luxury 5th wheel is aound 20k dry so about 23 fully loaded.

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Old 10-12-2020, 06:41 PM   #33
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I know that I towed way over the rated limit with my old 1973 K/20 and 1980 K/10 but then I wasn't stupid and didn't try to go 80 mph down the interstate.

It was a great relief when I got my C/50 and I could tow equipment and mobile homes and not feel like I was pushing limits. Much more relaxed even if it didn't go as fast up the hills.
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Old 10-14-2020, 05:44 AM   #34
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These are untrained non-professional drivers hauling that weight. That means anyone with the money to buy one. Ever hear the saying, "More money than sense?". More of that going around than ever. At what weight is a CDL required? I believe it's 16,000+# for vehicle preventive maintenance in MD
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Old 10-14-2020, 08:11 AM   #35
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Federally its 26k pound truck or 14k trailer. There is also combined vehicle and trailer then you need a CDL also. From memory its 26k combined. There are exemptions for RVs, farmers, fire departments, and military. Most states don't care about the wieght rating but the registration. On a side note any vehicle used in commerce should have a CDL but is rarely enforced. Think pizza delivery or lawn care.

O keep my CDL and have one truck tagged at 38k just in case. I haven't towed a load requiring it in years.

Since I know that you are an ATHS guy generally you don't need a CDL for antique tagged trucks, even with air brakes. This is governed by the states whom never thought about it.
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26K combined is correct, any thing commercial (even a company service truck or similar) over 10,001 requires a cdl medical card and daily vehicle inspections as well. This is another reason the 3/4 ton are nice. In my line of work in oil and natural gas production, the 3/4 ton service trucks aren’t subject to dot checks or ports of entry, 1 tons and above are. These newer trucks are incredibly capable, but as has been said in this thread, its incredibly easy to get in over your head towing loads even half as heavy as what some of these trucks are rated at. Come down some of the mountain passes here in the Rockies not knowing what your doing, and people are going to get hurt or die. Even with proper training and experience driving commercially I wouldn’t do it.
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Going up big hills is easy.

Coming down is where it gets interesting
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I saw this yesterday and thought of this thread. Many have mentioned experience when it comes to towing. There is a big difference between a person experienced in towing vs. someone not experienced when it comes to hooking up a heavy load, having an underrated tow vehicle, not having trailer brakes, etc. There is a lot of feel required when it comes to towing and the only way to get it through experience. It's all about driving accordingly based on what you're feeling. Keeping a distance between you and whatever is in front of you is key also no matter how great your equipment is.
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I questioned that load and an empty 40 foot container is around 8k pounds. Going by the axles i bet the tires are about max wieght but other than that not to bad if its empty.
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I knew a guy (not me this time) who pulled a 14x70 MH 100+ miles through the CO mountains with a 1973/1974 K/20 Chevy pickup. Unlike my 73, at least his pickup had a manual four speed. I dunno what he did for tongue weight - probably some wooden block "overload springs"

He went over "Black Mesa" so he avoided really long steep hills but that's a crooked narrow road so he must have been using both lanes to get around some of those corners.
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Yesterday evening on a country road (reg 20') I had two 1 ton tree service trucks pass on a curve from the opposite direction. They were flying along obviously well over the speed limit. The second one ran off the right side and jerked back onto the road as he passed and behind him the chipper hopping and wobbling back onto the road. "This things hauls like there's nothing back there". My reply would be, "Yes, but there IS something back there so drive like there's something back there!". And they all stop like there's something back there.
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Yesterday evening on a country road (reg 20') I had two 1 ton tree service trucks pass on a curve from the opposite direction. They were flying along obviously well over the speed limit. The second one ran off the right side and jerked back onto the road as he passed and behind him the chipper hopping and wobbling back onto the road. "This things hauls like there's nothing back there". My reply would be, "Yes, but there IS something back there so drive like there's something back there!". And they all stop like there's something back there.
Yeah, I'm always checking my mirrors to see how my trailer is doing.

Years ago when I spent more time towing something than not, sometimes I would look in my mirror and think: "What happened to my trailer?!!" Then I would remember that I wasn't towing one today

Of course with my old GMC truck loaded it was a rare event to even get UP to the speed limit
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