What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

masterbeavis · 10-23-2005, 04:57 PM

I was snooping around the parts computer at autozone. I looked up a few things for a one ton rear, there was 2 listings, the normal, and one for a 11,000# rear axle. Is this the difference between the HO72 and the HO110? What was the ratings of the 3 flavors of that axle? (the 52, 72, 110)

**tnblazerk5** · 10-23-2005, 08:34 PM

never heard of the 110 one before

Russell · 10-23-2005, 08:45 PM

The newer 73+ duallies were rated for 11 500 lbs, but I've never heard of a single rear wheel axle with that heavy of a weight capacity...

masterbeavis · 10-23-2005, 09:35 PM

neither have I, only as high as 7500# IIRC, maybe it was a dualie they were refering too. The computer did not specify. THere is something bigger than the 72, but my search skills are not good enough to do a search for it

masterbeavis · 10-23-2005, 10:12 PM

Found what I was looking for on another board.

Not always true...all 3/4 ton 4x4 Chevy's and GMC's have rear leafs, and either the dana 60 or the H052.

All Longhorns had leaf springs, 3/4 tonners used the H052 (unless a big block was ordered, then they got the dana 60) and 1 tons used the H072.

All Chevy 2wd 1/2 and 3/4 trucks had coils stock. GMCs had leafs stock. But, leafs were optional for Chevy and coils were optional for GMC. All 1 tons had leaves.

Above statements for 67-72 trucks only.

The H052 and 72 are the same axle with minor differences. Like the 3/4ton and 1 ton 14 bolt. The 1 ton axle will have bigger drums and backing plates. There is also the load bolt, but I am unsure what dictated if the axle got it or not.

Some people have said that some of the bearings are different in the H072 axle. As soon as I get my H072 center section (soon hopefully ), I will compare the two. Right now I just have a H052 from a '66 Chevy C20.

EDIT: The H110 was an optional axle in C/30 trucks and some step vans. It had the standard 8x6.5 lug pattern, and a massive 12.25" ring gear. I am unsure of axle size/spline count. A quick way to tell it apart from an H052/72 is that the 110 has a welded on diff cover from the factory, & the smaller ones have a bolt on diff cover.

*FormerMember* · 10-23-2005, 10:12 PM

Check out a C50 and you'll see a large top loading Eaton. Heck, check out the 50's Army Deuces.

That's the 11,500 axle. They have bigger ones...

muddyole 69 · 10-23-2005, 10:39 PM

Beavis I got a chuckle on the quote Reservoir Dogs very cool movie later Mike

masterbeavis · 10-23-2005, 10:41 PM

keywords for search to find this thread
H052
HO52
H072
HO72
H110
H0110

only H110 works for search seems like

[edit] changed the "o" to a zero instead of a letter, now maybe this thread will show up in search

masterbeavis · 10-23-2005, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by muddyole 69

Beavis I got a chuckle on the quote Reservoir Dogs very cool movie later Mike

THe pink user names made me think of that. Too bad I had to hack it up to make it fit less than 250 characters(sp)

Robert1970C20rstbukt · 10-23-2005, 10:46 PM

The HO52 and HO72 are the same rears with the 8 lug x 6.5" bolt pattern, except for the pinion load bolt(HO72's and some 52's) and the brake size(HO72 brakes are bigger). The H110 had 10 lugs with either 18", 19.5", or 20" dually rims. It did have a big ring gear and had a welded diff. cover, and the pinion bearings are the ball type, not sleeve bearings like the 52 and 72 have. Here's some pics I saved that a member took of the 110, hope they don't mind me using 'em:

*FormerMember* · 10-23-2005, 10:56 PM

I am sure glad I am not pink...

masterbeavis · 10-23-2005, 11:24 PM

looks like josh is getting alot of taco bell money now.

**tnblazerk5** · 10-24-2005, 08:08 PM

so thats whats in my 1 ton 69 frame is a h110 ? heres a pick of it

i am going to junk the h110rear for a newer 14 bolt duelly when i find one

masterbeavis · 10-24-2005, 08:46 PM

I made a realization today about something. I think the model number coresponds with the weight capacity of the axle. What gave it away was the H110=11,000# axle. The H052 is 5,200#, and the H072 is the 7,200# axle. That would be my guess on that question.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tnblazer

so thats whats in my 1 ton 69 frame is a h110 ? heres a pick of it

is it 10 lug?

**tnblazerk5** · 10-24-2005, 08:49 PM

yup its 10 lug

if i could find a 10 lug 4x4 front end i would keep it but i dont think they made a 10 lug 4x4 front end or if i could find wheels to fit the rear that werent split rims i might keep it 2 wheel drive

*FormerMember* · 10-24-2005, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masterbeavis

I made a realization today about something. I think the model number coresponds with the weight capacity of the axle. What gave it away was the H110=11,000# axle. The H052 is 5,200#, and the H072 is the 7,200# axle. That would be my guess on that question.

is it 10 lug?

Dawn breaks over Marblehead?

Same with the Dana axles...

30= 3K rating
44=4.4K rating

masterbeavis · 10-24-2005, 10:25 PM

TNBlazer:

10 lug front ends are available, you just have to look harder, and in different spots. Try F450 and up pooper duty trucks (10 lug) and prolly GM has em too

And John, if the 44=4.4K is true how come the 60F wasnt rated at 6K for the front?

**tnblazerk5** · 10-25-2005, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masterbeavis

TNBlazer:

10 lug front ends are available, you just have to look harder, and in different spots. Try F450 and up pooper duty trucks (10 lug) and prolly GM has em too

And John, if the 44=4.4K is true how come the 60F wasnt rated at 6K for the front?

never seen a 10 lug 4x4 front end before

what years f#$ds f450 had them ?
and is there rims that will fit a 10 lug that arent split rims ?

masterbeavis · 10-25-2005, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tnblazerk5

never seen a 10 lug 4x4 front end before

what years f#$ds f450 had them ?
and is there rims that will fit a 10 lug that arent split rims ?

Keyword was pooper duty. 450 and up "should" be 10 lug. Pumpkin will be on wrong side, but a transfer case can fix that. You are on your own for figuring dodge or GM products, I dont know anything about them. I am a furd guy lured to the darkside over first gen blazers.

**tnblazerk5** · 10-25-2005, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masterbeavis

Keyword was pooper duty. 450 and up "should" be 10 lug. Pumpkin will be on wrong side, but a transfer case can fix that. You are on your own for figuring dodge or GM products, I dont know anything about them. I am a furd guy lured to the darkside over first gen blazers.

the tranfer isnt a big deal all i would need would be a f@#d 205 case to make it a left hand output but finding a 450 and up may be a problem lol
now about those rims did they make any other rim to fit them besides the split rims ?

Robert1970C20rstbukt · 10-25-2005, 09:47 PM

the 19.5" rims are tubeless and you can also get tubeless 22.5's but those might not fit. i've been working on a 1960's step van and it has 8R19.5 tires but it's 8 lug. what size are the wheels on your 69?

**tnblazerk5** · 10-25-2005, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert1970C20rstbukt

the 19.5" rims are tubeless and you can also get tubeless 22.5's but those might not fit. i've been working on a 1960's step van and it has 8R19.5 tires but it's 8 lug. what size are the wheels on your 69?

i am not sure i will have to look

seams to me they are 19.5s but like i said i will have to look i know there big and skinny

masterbeavis · 10-25-2005, 11:28 PM

I would imagine that the 10 Lug donor would have the rims you need. I dunno if the bolt patterin is tho. Measure yours, we can go from there.

info and pic leeched from kleenwheelsincolor.com

determine the bolt circle, measure from the center of one stud hole directly across the center of the wheel, to the center of the opposite stud hole (see diagrams). Measurement should equal the bolt circle diameter.

FOR 5 LUG BOLTS (I am putting this in for the search engine, not related to the thread)

To determine the 5 lug bolt circle, measure from the center of one stud hole, skipping the adjacent hole, to the center of the furthest stud hole (see diagram). The measurement will be slightly smaller than the actual bolt circle diameter, but may be converted to the bolt circle diameter using the table located below.

masterbeavis · 10-26-2005, 12:38 AM

there is hope

Rod · 10-26-2005, 07:08 AM

The H072 could come with an auxillary spring kit that brought the GVW up to 11000 lbs on the rear...more common on longer 157 wheel base trucks..but was available on the 133 inch dullies also..my 72 1 ton has it.

10-23-2005, 04:57 PM	#1
masterbeavis Having issues Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Eldorado Ca, an hour east of sacramento Posts: 696	What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? I was snooping around the parts computer at autozone. I looked up a few things for a one ton rear, there was 2 listings, the normal, and one for a 11,000# rear axle. Is this the difference between the HO72 and the HO110? What was the ratings of the 3 flavors of that axle? (the 52, 72, 110) __________________ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati. The Man's Prayer: "I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess."

10-23-2005, 08:34 PM	#2
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10-23-2005, 08:45 PM	#3
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? The newer 73+ duallies were rated for 11 500 lbs, but I've never heard of a single rear wheel axle with that heavy of a weight capacity... __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap)

10-23-2005, 09:35 PM	#4
masterbeavis Having issues Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Eldorado Ca, an hour east of sacramento Posts: 696	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? neither have I, only as high as 7500# IIRC, maybe it was a dualie they were refering too. The computer did not specify. THere is something bigger than the 72, but my search skills are not good enough to do a search for it __________________ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati. The Man's Prayer: "I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess."

10-23-2005, 10:12 PM	#5
masterbeavis Having issues Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Eldorado Ca, an hour east of sacramento Posts: 696	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? Found what I was looking for on another board. Not always true...all 3/4 ton 4x4 Chevy's and GMC's have rear leafs, and either the dana 60 or the H052. All Longhorns had leaf springs, 3/4 tonners used the H052 (unless a big block was ordered, then they got the dana 60) and 1 tons used the H072. All Chevy 2wd 1/2 and 3/4 trucks had coils stock. GMCs had leafs stock. But, leafs were optional for Chevy and coils were optional for GMC. All 1 tons had leaves. Above statements for 67-72 trucks only. The H052 and 72 are the same axle with minor differences. Like the 3/4ton and 1 ton 14 bolt. The 1 ton axle will have bigger drums and backing plates. There is also the load bolt, but I am unsure what dictated if the axle got it or not. Some people have said that some of the bearings are different in the H072 axle. As soon as I get my H072 center section (soon hopefully ), I will compare the two. Right now I just have a H052 from a '66 Chevy C20. EDIT: The H110 was an optional axle in C/30 trucks and some step vans. It had the standard 8x6.5 lug pattern, and a massive 12.25" ring gear. I am unsure of axle size/spline count. A quick way to tell it apart from an H052/72 is that the 110 has a welded on diff cover from the factory, & the smaller ones have a bolt on diff cover. __________________ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati. The Man's Prayer: "I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess."

10-23-2005, 10:12 PM	#6
FormerMember Account Suspended Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,051	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? Check out a C50 and you'll see a large top loading Eaton. Heck, check out the 50's Army Deuces. That's the 11,500 axle. They have bigger ones...

10-23-2005, 10:39 PM	#7
muddyole 69 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: SE Ohio Posts: 1,121	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? Beavis I got a chuckle on the quote Reservoir Dogs very cool movie later Mike __________________ hav'n fun be'n me

10-23-2005, 10:41 PM	#8
masterbeavis Having issues Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Eldorado Ca, an hour east of sacramento Posts: 696	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? keywords for search to find this thread H052 HO52 H072 HO72 H110 H0110 only H110 works for search seems like [edit] changed the "o" to a zero instead of a letter, now maybe this thread will show up in search __________________ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati. The Man's Prayer: "I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess." Last edited by masterbeavis; 10-24-2005 at 08:47 PM.

10-23-2005, 10:46 PM	#10
Robert1970C20rstbukt Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Beeville, Texas Posts: 1,943	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? The HO52 and HO72 are the same rears with the 8 lug x 6.5" bolt pattern, except for the pinion load bolt(HO72's and some 52's) and the brake size(HO72 brakes are bigger). The H110 had 10 lugs with either 18", 19.5", or 20" dually rims. It did have a big ring gear and had a welded diff. cover, and the pinion bearings are the ball type, not sleeve bearings like the 52 and 72 have. Here's some pics I saved that a member took of the 110, hope they don't mind me using 'em: Attached Images __________________ RJD 1984 Chevrolet C30 welding truck 454/SM465 1977 GMC C15 pickup 350/TH350 1970 Chevrolet C20 pickup 350/TH400 1970 Chevrolet K20 Suburban 454/TH350 1969 GMC 8500 478M V6/5 spd winch truck

10-23-2005, 10:56 PM	#11
FormerMember Account Suspended Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,051	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? I am sure glad I am not pink...

10-23-2005, 11:24 PM	#12
masterbeavis Having issues Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Eldorado Ca, an hour east of sacramento Posts: 696	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? looks like josh is getting alot of taco bell money now. __________________ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati. The Man's Prayer: "I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess."

10-24-2005, 08:08 PM	#13
tnblazerk5 User #12137 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: kingsport,upper east tenn Posts: 11,598	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? so thats whats in my 1 ton 69 frame is a h110 ? heres a pick of it i am going to junk the h110rear for a newer 14 bolt duelly when i find one

10-24-2005, 08:49 PM	#15
tnblazerk5 User #12137 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: kingsport,upper east tenn Posts: 11,598	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? yup its 10 lug if i could find a 10 lug 4x4 front end i would keep it but i dont think they made a 10 lug 4x4 front end or if i could find wheels to fit the rear that werent split rims i might keep it 2 wheel drive

10-24-2005, 10:25 PM	#17
masterbeavis Having issues Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Eldorado Ca, an hour east of sacramento Posts: 696	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? TNBlazer: 10 lug front ends are available, you just have to look harder, and in different spots. Try F450 and up pooper duty trucks (10 lug) and prolly GM has em too And John, if the 44=4.4K is true how come the 60F wasnt rated at 6K for the front? __________________ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati. The Man's Prayer: "I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess."

10-25-2005, 09:47 PM	#21
Robert1970C20rstbukt Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Beeville, Texas Posts: 1,943	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? the 19.5" rims are tubeless and you can also get tubeless 22.5's but those might not fit. i've been working on a 1960's step van and it has 8R19.5 tires but it's 8 lug. what size are the wheels on your 69? __________________ RJD 1984 Chevrolet C30 welding truck 454/SM465 1977 GMC C15 pickup 350/TH350 1970 Chevrolet C20 pickup 350/TH400 1970 Chevrolet K20 Suburban 454/TH350 1969 GMC 8500 478M V6/5 spd winch truck



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10-25-2005, 11:28 PM	#23
masterbeavis Having issues Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Eldorado Ca, an hour east of sacramento Posts: 696	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? I would imagine that the 10 Lug donor would have the rims you need. I dunno if the bolt patterin is tho. Measure yours, we can go from there. info and pic leeched from kleenwheelsincolor.com determine the bolt circle, measure from the center of one stud hole directly across the center of the wheel, to the center of the opposite stud hole (see diagrams). Measurement should equal the bolt circle diameter. FOR 5 LUG BOLTS (I am putting this in for the search engine, not related to the thread) To determine the 5 lug bolt circle, measure from the center of one stud hole, skipping the adjacent hole, to the center of the furthest stud hole (see diagram). The measurement will be slightly smaller than the actual bolt circle diameter, but may be converted to the bolt circle diameter using the table located below. __________________ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati. The Man's Prayer: "I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess." Last edited by masterbeavis; 10-25-2005 at 11:33 PM.

10-26-2005, 12:38 AM	#24
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