700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

bmrrwolfe · 10-26-2008, 10:11 AM

Can a 700R4 bolt on to a stock automatic crossmember or would it better to go with a CPP crossmember?
Thanks!

big_al_71 · 10-26-2008, 10:16 AM

I used the one from CPP it looks a hell of alot better.....

bmrrwolfe · 10-26-2008, 10:18 AM

I was looking into getting that one from cpp, how has it been for you?

Longhorn Man · 10-26-2008, 10:23 AM

you can use the stock one. Relocate it and drill holes.

big_al_71 · 10-26-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bmrrwolfe

I was looking into getting that one from cpp, how has it been for you?

It is perfect so far!!!!

I had some tranny issues this past week so I had it in and out three times this past week but finally the tranny is finished.

rodstored-72 · 10-26-2008, 10:42 AM

i agree with longhorn man i just had to relocate mine & drill 4 new holes. i was able to use 4 existing holes. it was pretty simple. i took my original & had it powder coated, i think it was is cheaper then buying a new one. although i agree that the cpp ones look very good as well.

good luck!

cdowns · 10-26-2008, 11:16 AM

alot cheaper to use stock crossmember//in all the years of having classic vehicle i've found that about 1 in 50,000 people that look at them will actually crawl under them to see what my crossmembers look like

Bus Ted Knuckle · 10-26-2008, 11:23 AM

I agree with lhm and cdowns, use your original. Save the coin for something tricker

bmrrwolfe · 10-26-2008, 12:14 PM

Well i originally had a 3 on the three, so either way i need a new one.
i can get a stock style for about $30-40 and the cpp is about $80

Longhorn Man · 10-26-2008, 02:09 PM

Honestly, I would think that 30 - 40 is too much for a greasey used piece... however, i know for a fact that these suckers are getting hard to find in wrecking yards in this part of the world. (ohio)

bmrrwolfe · 10-26-2008, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Longhorn Man

Honestly, I would think that 30 - 40 is too much for a greasey used piece... however, i know for a fact that these suckers are getting hard to find in wrecking yards in this part of the world. (ohio)

I was thinking that is pretty pricey, so thats why i looked into CPP, since im starting from scratch i guess i should go ahead and spurge for once!

**passthebuck** · 10-26-2008, 06:05 PM

I JUST was trying to get one of these out at the wrecker on friday & the bolts in there are rusted solid! I couldnt get that x-member out of there to save my life. I had a revelation there under the truck - "Screw this!" The little voice said to me, "...dig out some 2" by 3" tubing, a bit of plate & make your own!" It cant be that hard. I'll post pics when it's done...

bmrrwolfe · 10-26-2008, 06:08 PM

well i found a new CPP crossmember on ebay for $70 shipped i think thats a good price, so if i can get it for that i think i will. That will get me one step closer to getting this project moving.
and i think (in a while) i will make a build thread of this crazy project that i have learned a lot on.

bmrrwolfe · 10-26-2008, 07:08 PM

Also can a 700R4 be used with a stock automatic steering column? i got a nice extra one i would really like to use and not cut my floor to put in a floor shift.
Thanks!

72BlckButy · 10-26-2008, 08:26 PM

You just need to purchase the correct linkage and a different indicator from what I've read. And you'll be able to keep your stock column.

I'll hopefully be doing this swap to my '72 in the future.

bmrrwolfe · 10-26-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 72BlckButy

You just need to purchase the correct linkage and a different indicator from what I've read. And you'll be able to keep your stock column.

I'll hopefully be doing this swap to my '72 in the future.

Any idea on where to a get a new indicator and linkage?

72BlckButy · 10-26-2008, 08:40 PM

A lot of people are using Lokar items... (tv cable and things).

I was just on ECE's (Early Classic Enterpriese) website and they are offering a kit (transmission crossmember and all the linkage and parts needed). I have never used this kit, but these guys know what they are doing. I'm planning on ordering from them in the near future.

72BlckButy · 10-26-2008, 08:42 PM

ECE's kit includes:

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KIT INCLUDES CROSSMEMBER, RUBBER MOUNT, STAINLESS SHIFT LINKAGE, ADJUSTABLE VACUUM SWITCH AND HOSE, LOCKUP SOLENOID, PRESSURE SWITCH,
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All for $299

sweet70beast · 10-26-2008, 10:40 PM

I used the stock linkage on a 72 GMC I put a 700 in a few years ago. It worked great. I put it in place of a 400. I'd say just get the indicator the adjust the linkage at the bottom of the column and it will work.

**leddzepp** · 10-27-2008, 03:08 AM

Go with Kugel Komponents linkage, You can get it for $50 at www.truckandcarshop.com I have a 700 R4 trans coupled to a stock 350 and am using it You can also get the overdrive indicator and this linkage is adjustable so that it will line up correctly. It is VERY easy to install and will save you a TON of headaches. You might be able to get it on Feebay cheaper. It is very similar to Lokar and is made in America.

**leddzepp** · 10-27-2008, 03:13 AM

Here is what mine looks like

**leddzepp** · 10-27-2008, 03:17 AM

You will also notice that I have no indicator, as I broke it when I removed the housing to replace the bulb. But, prior to that, it did line up perfectly and I was able to dial it in and shift all the way down into 1st gear

72BlckButy · 10-27-2008, 08:02 AM

Thanks for the pics leddzepp!

**leddzepp** · 10-27-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 72BlckButy

Thanks for the pics leddzepp!

Thank you for your pic! The linkage in the ECE pic you posted IS the Kugel Komponents linkage...or if it is not, it is identical. The slotted arm (very lower right hand corner of your pic) that attaches to the transmission allows you to adjust shift throws and that is why you are able to dial in your shift indicator. It also only has two pivot points, and it will eliminate ALL of the slop you may have in your factory linkage. You will also be able to adjust your neutral safety (backup lights) switch so that it continues to function properly.

Here are some pics of it installed on my truck:

bmrrwolfe · 10-27-2008, 01:58 PM

Thanks for all the info and pics, now i feel alot better going into this process, and feel i can actually get it done, and done right!
just one more question where you get the indicator can it also be ordered through truckandcarshop.com?

10-26-2008, 10:11 AM	#1
bmrrwolfe 1970 C10 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cleveland Ohio Posts: 212	700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? Can a 700R4 bolt on to a stock automatic crossmember or would it better to go with a CPP crossmember? Thanks!

10-26-2008, 10:16 AM	#2
big_al_71 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Florida Posts: 11,375	Re: 700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? I used the one from CPP it looks a hell of alot better..... Attached Images __________________ Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please!!!!!. Sylvester's build thread >>>http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...ht=big+rebuild

10-26-2008, 10:18 AM	#3
bmrrwolfe 1970 C10 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cleveland Ohio Posts: 212	Re: 700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? I was looking into getting that one from cpp, how has it been for you? Last edited by bmrrwolfe; 10-26-2008 at 10:18 AM.

10-26-2008, 10:23 AM	#4
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: 700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? you can use the stock one. Relocate it and drill holes.

10-26-2008, 10:42 AM	#6
rodstored-72 chevy truck fan Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gilbert, arizona 85298 Posts: 1,963	Re: 700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? i agree with longhorn man i just had to relocate mine & drill 4 new holes. i was able to use 4 existing holes. it was pretty simple. i took my original & had it powder coated, i think it was is cheaper then buying a new one. although i agree that the cpp ones look very good as well. good luck!

10-26-2008, 11:16 AM	#7
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	Re: 700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? alot cheaper to use stock crossmember//in all the years of having classic vehicle i've found that about 1 in 50,000 people that look at them will actually crawl under them to see what my crossmembers look like __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY

10-26-2008, 11:23 AM	#8
Bus Ted Knuckle Son of a gun Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hot Springs, Arkansas Posts: 1,636	Re: 700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? I agree with lhm and cdowns, use your original. Save the coin for something tricker __________________ Bill BEATERS ARE NEATER

10-26-2008, 12:14 PM	#9
bmrrwolfe 1970 C10 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cleveland Ohio Posts: 212	Re: 700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? Well i originally had a 3 on the three, so either way i need a new one. i can get a stock style for about $30-40 and the cpp is about $80

10-26-2008, 02:09 PM	#10
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: 700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? Honestly, I would think that 30 - 40 is too much for a greasey used piece... however, i know for a fact that these suckers are getting hard to find in wrecking yards in this part of the world. (ohio)

10-26-2008, 06:05 PM	#12
passthebuck Sisyphus was my mentor! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Carleton Place, Ontario CANADA Posts: 984	Re: 700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? I JUST was trying to get one of these out at the wrecker on friday & the bolts in there are rusted solid! I couldnt get that x-member out of there to save my life. I had a revelation there under the truck - "Screw this!" The little voice said to me, "...dig out some 2" by 3" tubing, a bit of plate & make your own!" It cant be that hard. I'll post pics when it's done... __________________ passthebuck #5642 -TWO 1967 GMC 910's. One with L6/3-on-the tree and the other with 355 w/435hp & a 700r4. -a 2013 Honda Civic as my "sensible" car Last edited by passthebuck; 10-26-2008 at 06:07 PM.

10-26-2008, 06:08 PM	#13
bmrrwolfe 1970 C10 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cleveland Ohio Posts: 212	Re: 700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? well i found a new CPP crossmember on ebay for $70 shipped i think thats a good price, so if i can get it for that i think i will. That will get me one step closer to getting this project moving. and i think (in a while) i will make a build thread of this crazy project that i have learned a lot on.

10-26-2008, 07:08 PM	#14
bmrrwolfe 1970 C10 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cleveland Ohio Posts: 212	Re: 700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? Also can a 700R4 be used with a stock automatic steering column? i got a nice extra one i would really like to use and not cut my floor to put in a floor shift. Thanks!

10-26-2008, 08:26 PM	#15
72BlckButy Tot Roddin' Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mid-MO Posts: 24,461	Re: 700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? You just need to purchase the correct linkage and a different indicator from what I've read. And you'll be able to keep your stock column. I'll hopefully be doing this swap to my '72 in the future. __________________ -Nate 1969 CST SWB - Project Blank Slate (4.5/6" ECE Static Drop, 6-lug disc brake upgrade (manual), Billet Specialties Vintec 20x8.5 255/40 (F) 20x10 295/40 (R), 250 I-6) 1960 AMF Skylark - Tot Roddin' (Lowered with custom frame; soon to include custom push bar and interior) 2008 Silverado CrewCab 1LT (5.3L, 3:73, 4x4, LT1, Z-71, Towing Package) Last edited by 72BlckButy; 10-26-2008 at 08:28 PM.

10-26-2008, 08:40 PM	#17
72BlckButy Tot Roddin' Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mid-MO Posts: 24,461	Re: 700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? A lot of people are using Lokar items... (tv cable and things). I was just on ECE's (Early Classic Enterpriese) website and they are offering a kit (transmission crossmember and all the linkage and parts needed). I have never used this kit, but these guys know what they are doing. I'm planning on ordering from them in the near future. __________________ -Nate 1969 CST SWB - Project Blank Slate (4.5/6" ECE Static Drop, 6-lug disc brake upgrade (manual), Billet Specialties Vintec 20x8.5 255/40 (F) 20x10 295/40 (R), 250 I-6) 1960 AMF Skylark - Tot Roddin' (Lowered with custom frame; soon to include custom push bar and interior) 2008 Silverado CrewCab 1LT (5.3L, 3:73, 4x4, LT1, Z-71, Towing Package) Last edited by 72BlckButy; 10-26-2008 at 08:40 PM.

10-26-2008, 08:42 PM	#18
72BlckButy Tot Roddin' Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mid-MO Posts: 24,461	Re: 700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? ECE's kit includes: KIT INCLUDES CROSSMEMBER, RUBBER MOUNT, STAINLESS SHIFT LINKAGE, ADJUSTABLE VACUUM SWITCH AND HOSE, LOCKUP SOLENOID, PRESSURE SWITCH, AND ALL NECESSARY WIRING AND HARDWARE All for $299 __________________ -Nate 1969 CST SWB - Project Blank Slate (4.5/6" ECE Static Drop, 6-lug disc brake upgrade (manual), Billet Specialties Vintec 20x8.5 255/40 (F) 20x10 295/40 (R), 250 I-6) 1960 AMF Skylark - Tot Roddin' (Lowered with custom frame; soon to include custom push bar and interior) 2008 Silverado CrewCab 1LT (5.3L, 3:73, 4x4, LT1, Z-71, Towing Package)



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10-26-2008, 10:40 PM	#19
sweet70beast Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Shelley Idaho Posts: 876	Re: 700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? I used the stock linkage on a 72 GMC I put a 700 in a few years ago. It worked great. I put it in place of a 400. I'd say just get the indicator the adjust the linkage at the bottom of the column and it will work. __________________ 1970 Nova 327/T5 (my 1st car) 1971 K-20 350/350/205 (winter DD) 1953 GMC Suburban 1968 Chevy Bel Air 1976 Chev C-10 1972 Skylark (suncoupe) 1 of 3943 made

10-27-2008, 03:08 AM	#20
leddzepp Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Southern Cal Posts: 19,981	Re: 700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? Go with Kugel Komponents linkage, You can get it for $50 at www.truckandcarshop.com I have a 700 R4 trans coupled to a stock 350 and am using it You can also get the overdrive indicator and this linkage is adjustable so that it will line up correctly. It is VERY easy to install and will save you a TON of headaches. You might be able to get it on Feebay cheaper. It is very similar to Lokar and is made in America.

10-27-2008, 03:13 AM	#21
leddzepp Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Southern Cal Posts: 19,981	Re: 700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? Here is what mine looks like Attached Images

10-27-2008, 03:17 AM	#22
leddzepp Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Southern Cal Posts: 19,981	Re: 700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? You will also notice that I have no indicator, as I broke it when I removed the housing to replace the bulb. But, prior to that, it did line up perfectly and I was able to dial it in and shift all the way down into 1st gear Attached Images

10-27-2008, 08:02 AM	#23
72BlckButy Tot Roddin' Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mid-MO Posts: 24,461	Re: 700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? Thanks for the pics leddzepp! __________________ -Nate 1969 CST SWB - Project Blank Slate (4.5/6" ECE Static Drop, 6-lug disc brake upgrade (manual), Billet Specialties Vintec 20x8.5 255/40 (F) 20x10 295/40 (R), 250 I-6) 1960 AMF Skylark - Tot Roddin' (Lowered with custom frame; soon to include custom push bar and interior) 2008 Silverado CrewCab 1LT (5.3L, 3:73, 4x4, LT1, Z-71, Towing Package)

10-27-2008, 01:58 PM	#25
bmrrwolfe 1970 C10 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cleveland Ohio Posts: 212	Re: 700r4 on a stock auto crossmember? Thanks for all the info and pics, now i feel alot better going into this process, and feel i can actually get it done, and done right! just one more question where you get the indicator can it also be ordered through truckandcarshop.com? Last edited by bmrrwolfe; 10-27-2008 at 02:03 PM.

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