600 RWHP from a 355? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

1972 · 03-21-2005, 03:15 PM

There is a real nice '70 on cardomain, but he claims to have 600 rear wheel horsepower from a 355! It has only one 750cfm carb, no turbo, blower, nos.. Am I really supposed to believe this? He also claims to have a Dana 60 rearend, but it looks kinda like my 12 bolt, but I'm no expert on this. I'm not hatin' on him, he has an awesome truck, I just don't know why he has to exagerate.

Link to his page---> http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/687313

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*dtlilly* · 03-21-2005, 05:28 PM

Definately possible, with the aluminum race block and Brodix heads. Gotta remember Nascar uses a 355 engine. Spending $10K or more on engine alone gets some good results. I didn't see the whole rear end, so I can't comment.

justbcuz · 03-21-2005, 05:28 PM

I don't think that power is possible with the setup he describes. Like you said, 750cfm just is not enough air to produce that kind of power from a small block.

Dual quad · 03-21-2005, 05:41 PM

600 RWH is about 750 at the crank. That would be about over 2 HP per cube... I don't think so, not with out a super/turbo charger. With all the money spent on that motor, why would somebody go with such a small displacement? 450 HP at the crank would be more likely. Either way, an Xtreme Energy XR294HR Cam with a 12.1:1 CR is not what I would call streetable. Awfully nice little truck though.

67ChevyC10Stepside · 03-21-2005, 05:47 PM

he doesn't say 600 to the ground....he says
Bolted behind this engine is a B&M Chevy TH-400 Transmission with tork master series convertor and a DTS Dana 60 rear end with a 1350 yoke.35-spline axles,and limited slip differential, planting about 600+HP to the ground
it would be more like 600 horses being put to the ground by th400 dana 60...

67ChevyC10Stepside · 03-21-2005, 05:47 PM

BTW where can i get valve covers like that?

smokekiki · 03-21-2005, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 67ChevyC10Stepside

BTW where can i get valve covers like that?

From The GM dealer.I think scroggin had them a little over 2 bills.

mocwon · 03-21-2005, 06:12 PM

Summit & Jeg's sells them along with Classic Industries and a host of others.

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Originally Posted by 67ChevyC10Stepside

BTW where can i get valve covers like that?

cdowns · 03-21-2005, 06:21 PM

i like the way he routes the plug wires with them laying right on the headers that's got to be worth at least a hundred extra horses

bigjimzlll · 03-21-2005, 06:59 PM

he only does mid 12s...thats about 340 rwhp

**FRENCHBLUE72** · 03-21-2005, 08:45 PM

Very nice looking truck love that bed wood color... I don't care how fast it is it is damn nice...

cableguy0 · 03-21-2005, 08:52 PM

the components he has are capable of that power but im doubting hes really making that power. that carb is too small. the heads will do it. but why cheap out with eagle crank and rods on a setup like that it doesnt make sense also the performer rpm isnt going to flow well enough to support that thing on the top end.he would need at least a victor junior and that would need a good bit or porting to handle it.its definately capable of 600hp but i doubt hes making 600hp and its definately not making 600 to the wheels. we built a 950hp small block was 408 inches where i used to work and yes thats on the motor no nitrous no supercharger no turbo. just a hell of a set of heads and a one of cam my boss designed. but that was fed by an 1150 dominator.

bigcdawg99 · 03-21-2005, 08:53 PM

I saw this truck a couple of weeks ago. No doubt its an awesome truck. In addition the HP issue- doesn't $65,000 invested sound about $30,000 to high? Maybe I'm just young and don't know what I'm getting into with my project.

cableguy0 · 03-21-2005, 08:56 PM

65k isnt too far outta wack especially if someone else did the labor

Gary · 03-21-2005, 09:14 PM

That's a sharp truck, exaggerated HP claims or not I'd still drive it with a smile

Dean23 · 03-21-2005, 09:34 PM

On desktop dyno I plugged it ina and got 464 hp @ 6000rpm and 457 tq@ 4500. ANd thats with basic low performance stock heads with big valves. Throw a good set of heads on there and one could easily be pushing the 598 hp he claims. Its not that far fetched......mi9ght not be a practical driver, but would go liked a raped ape

just my 2 cents worth.

Gary Lee · 03-21-2005, 09:51 PM

No ands, ifs, buts, or maybes... its a nice ride!!! 600rwhp? I don't know, but with $65k in a truck it should produce more than that!!! Because for my money, $ I'd be running a less radical BIG BLOCK and having longer lasting more streetable ride...

Maybe He just likes it that way... Good for him!!!

He is obviously very happy with his truck, he is also very proud of his truck and everything he spent on it!!! So, I am very happy for him, just wish he'd tell me how I could free up a spare $65k for my toy...

1972 · 03-23-2005, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 67ChevyC10Stepside

he doesn't say 600 to the ground....he says
Bolted behind this engine is a B&M Chevy TH-400 Transmission with tork master series convertor and a DTS Dana 60 rear end with a 1350 yoke.35-spline axles,and limited slip differential, planting about 600+HP to the ground
it would be more like 600 horses being put to the ground by th400 dana 60...

"A Custom 355 C10 with 600 RWHP" Rear Wheel Horse Power. This is how he has it listed in the main index page. 4th down at the time I posted. I went to World Products website and they aren't even claiming that much for their "race" version big blocks, and that's at the crank.

tom hand · 03-23-2005, 09:04 PM

A Custom 355 C10 with 600 RWHP....it is possible...nascars ussally make 750 at the crank ...but the motor is designed to run WIDE OPEN...it's street manors would suck...lol

crew70 · 03-23-2005, 09:47 PM

definatly posible ,and alot of people tend to over carberate.

Dean23 · 03-23-2005, 09:55 PM

HE never says its 600 rwhp. hesays he has a turbo 400 etc, plantinmg the 598 hp. he doesnt claim it has rwhp at all. ANd like a said with good heads and the proper cam. one could achive 598 hp

68haywagon · 03-24-2005, 12:30 AM

He says 600 Rwhp in the title....check a few posts up here is the link....7 down.

Mike

hotrodtroy · 03-24-2005, 12:54 AM

Chevrolet C/K Pickup 1970 29
A Custom 355 C10 with 600 RWHP

That's what it says. But, it's still purdy.

arkracing · 03-24-2005, 09:15 AM

$10K on the motor - why cheap out after you by an aluminum block...might as well go with a billet crank and better rods. Spend $15k and do it the right way

the intake doesn't look like an RPM Air-gap as he states....It def. looks like a victor or supervictor (which were "Air-gap" anyway) You can't see the "individual runners" to each cylinder like you can with the RPM AirGap. the intake he has looks like a single plane to me (i.e. Victor, etc.)

600hp - definatly possible for a motor like that...probably needs a different cam and to be set up better.

no 600 to the ground with all that crap hanging of the front of the motor (serp with P.S., alt, Waterpump, A/C) the Turbo 400 eats about 15-20 horse.
almost as good as the guys who have blowers and A/C ???

WTF can't always get the best of both worlds

and that thing probably has to stay over 3500RPM to even run right

nice truck though

NORCAL_GUY73 · 03-25-2005, 04:50 AM

not to knock anyone, however it is a sweet looking clean ride from top to bottom. I wasn't aware that this site was to talk **** about others, if that were the case, this guy could talk down on most of us all day long with his ride. I feel these relpies appear mostly out of jealousy, i think we should just give people props where they are due and bite your tongue when there are issues or trends you disagree with.... I see things daily on here that have me either scratching my head or wondering why some one purchased every POS from the JC whitney book and slapped it in there truck... yet I say nothing because if thats what they like and want to shell out cash for then oh well...

thats my 2 cents...

03-21-2005, 03:15 PM	#1
1972 Majician Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: In the Middle Posts: 329	600 RWHP from a 355? There is a real nice '70 on cardomain, but he claims to have 600 rear wheel horsepower from a 355! It has only one 750cfm carb, no turbo, blower, nos.. Am I really supposed to believe this? He also claims to have a Dana 60 rearend, but it looks kinda like my 12 bolt, but I'm no expert on this. I'm not hatin' on him, he has an awesome truck, I just don't know why he has to exagerate. Link to his page---> http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/687313 .

03-21-2005, 05:28 PM	#2
dtlilly Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Shadow of Lambeau Field Posts: 5,597	Definately possible, with the aluminum race block and Brodix heads. Gotta remember Nascar uses a 355 engine. Spending $10K or more on engine alone gets some good results. I didn't see the whole rear end, so I can't comment. Last edited by dtlilly; 03-21-2005 at 05:31 PM.

03-21-2005, 05:41 PM	#4
Dual quad Smell that burnin' rubber Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Ontario Posts: 171	600 RWH is about 750 at the crank. That would be about over 2 HP per cube... I don't think so, not with out a super/turbo charger. With all the money spent on that motor, why would somebody go with such a small displacement? 450 HP at the crank would be more likely. Either way, an Xtreme Energy XR294HR Cam with a 12.1:1 CR is not what I would call streetable. Awfully nice little truck though. Last edited by Dual quad; 03-21-2005 at 05:46 PM.

03-21-2005, 05:47 PM	#5
67ChevyC10Stepside Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Butler PA Posts: 3,034	he doesn't say 600 to the ground....he says Bolted behind this engine is a B&M Chevy TH-400 Transmission with tork master series convertor and a DTS Dana 60 rear end with a 1350 yoke.35-spline axles,and limited slip differential, planting about 600+HP to the ground it would be more like 600 horses being put to the ground by th400 dana 60... __________________ 67 c-10, 400 SB, TH350, 4.10 gears, Blazer tank,camaro tach, sidemarker fuel fill (soon) WTB: stepside parts, 67 front end parts, 67 small window cab. posi for 3.73 or 4.10 for 12 bolt and 10 bolt.

03-21-2005, 05:47 PM	#6
67ChevyC10Stepside Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Butler PA Posts: 3,034	BTW where can i get valve covers like that? __________________ 67 c-10, 400 SB, TH350, 4.10 gears, Blazer tank,camaro tach, sidemarker fuel fill (soon) WTB: stepside parts, 67 front end parts, 67 small window cab. posi for 3.73 or 4.10 for 12 bolt and 10 bolt.

03-21-2005, 05:28 PM	#3
justbcuz Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: SD_Ca Posts: 26	I don't think that power is possible with the setup he describes. Like you said, 750cfm just is not enough air to produce that kind of power from a small block.

03-21-2005, 06:21 PM	#9
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	i like the way he routes the plug wires with them laying right on the headers that's got to be worth at least a hundred extra horses __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY

03-21-2005, 06:59 PM	#10
bigjimzlll Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redding,CA...USA Posts: 4,736	he only does mid 12s...thats about 340 rwhp __________________ It's called "drag racing" if they called it "tic..tic..WHAM!..BANG! F*&K!!!", they'd have to keep the magazines under the counter with the other men's publications click the clicky to join the site.... http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/payments.php 67 lwb..first hotrod in 25 years..540 best ET is 9.45 @ 141.44 Anderson,CA

03-21-2005, 08:45 PM	#11
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,589	Very nice looking truck love that bed wood color... I don't care how fast it is it is damn nice... __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

03-21-2005, 08:52 PM	#12
cableguy0 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Delta,Pa Posts: 14,950	the components he has are capable of that power but im doubting hes really making that power. that carb is too small. the heads will do it. but why cheap out with eagle crank and rods on a setup like that it doesnt make sense also the performer rpm isnt going to flow well enough to support that thing on the top end.he would need at least a victor junior and that would need a good bit or porting to handle it.its definately capable of 600hp but i doubt hes making 600hp and its definately not making 600 to the wheels. we built a 950hp small block was 408 inches where i used to work and yes thats on the motor no nitrous no supercharger no turbo. just a hell of a set of heads and a one of cam my boss designed. but that was fed by an 1150 dominator. __________________ Owner of North Point Car Care in Dundalk Md. We specialize in custom exhaust on both modern and classic vehicles. We are a full service auto shop from classics to modern vehicles. Feel free to contact me with questions. I will give a 10% discount to any board member. Last edited by cableguy0; 03-21-2005 at 08:56 PM.

03-21-2005, 08:53 PM	#13
bigcdawg99 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 67	I saw this truck a couple of weeks ago. No doubt its an awesome truck. In addition the HP issue- doesn't $65,000 invested sound about $30,000 to high? Maybe I'm just young and don't know what I'm getting into with my project. __________________ 71 GMC Shortbed Fleetside (under construction) "I like guns. You got a gun, you don't have to work out." Chris Rock

03-21-2005, 08:56 PM	#14
cableguy0 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Delta,Pa Posts: 14,950	65k isnt too far outta wack especially if someone else did the labor __________________ Owner of North Point Car Care in Dundalk Md. We specialize in custom exhaust on both modern and classic vehicles. We are a full service auto shop from classics to modern vehicles. Feel free to contact me with questions. I will give a 10% discount to any board member.

03-21-2005, 09:14 PM	#15
Gary Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Harvest, AL Posts: 545	That's a sharp truck, exaggerated HP claims or not I'd still drive it with a smile __________________ Gary Harris 85 Silverado - 87 Grand National 2007 Ardmore Car Show

03-21-2005, 09:34 PM	#16
Dean23 68cst_ss490 Join Date: May 2001 Location: edmonton,canada Posts: 1,363	On desktop dyno I plugged it ina and got 464 hp @ 6000rpm and 457 tq@ 4500. ANd thats with basic low performance stock heads with big valves. Throw a good set of heads on there and one could easily be pushing the 598 hp he claims. Its not that far fetched......mi9ght not be a practical driver, but would go liked a raped ape just my 2 cents worth. __________________ Dean edmonton,canada a winter wonderland 2005 Chevrolet Avalanche LT cold air intake, performance exhaust, Comp cams cam, jba shorty ceramic headers. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3090973

03-21-2005, 09:51 PM	#17
Gary Lee fixer of 72 GMC LWB Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newnan GA Posts: 111	Nice Ride!!! No ands, ifs, buts, or maybes... its a nice ride!!! 600rwhp? I don't know, but with $65k in a truck it should produce more than that!!! Because for my money, $ I'd be running a less radical BIG BLOCK and having longer lasting more streetable ride... Maybe He just likes it that way... Good for him!!! He is obviously very happy with his truck, he is also very proud of his truck and everything he spent on it!!! So, I am very happy for him, just wish he'd tell me how I could free up a spare $65k for my toy...



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03-23-2005, 09:04 PM	#19
tom hand CCRider Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Olive Branch,MS,USA Posts: 2,232	A Custom 355 C10 with 600 RWHP....it is possible...nascars ussally make 750 at the crank ...but the motor is designed to run WIDE OPEN...it's street manors would suck...lol __________________ 72 GMC Sierra SWB almost finished---- 84 Softail Olive Branch MS

03-23-2005, 09:47 PM	#20
crew70 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: shafer,mn,usa Posts: 316	definatly posible ,and alot of people tend to over carberate. __________________ 70 chevy 3/4 ton 4x4 402ci crewcab 3/4ton 94 gmc 1 ton dually crewcab 454ci 99 suburban 5.7 2001 500cc ski-doo mxz 95 500cc ski doo fan 650 bombardiar 4 wheeler

03-23-2005, 09:55 PM	#21
Dean23 68cst_ss490 Join Date: May 2001 Location: edmonton,canada Posts: 1,363	HE never says its 600 rwhp. hesays he has a turbo 400 etc, plantinmg the 598 hp. he doesnt claim it has rwhp at all. ANd like a said with good heads and the proper cam. one could achive 598 hp __________________ Dean edmonton,canada a winter wonderland 2005 Chevrolet Avalanche LT cold air intake, performance exhaust, Comp cams cam, jba shorty ceramic headers. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3090973

03-24-2005, 12:30 AM	#22
68haywagon I'm watching you! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Levittown, PA Posts: 1,822	He says 600 Rwhp in the title....check a few posts up here is the link....7 down. Mike

03-24-2005, 12:54 AM	#23
hotrodtroy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 138	Chevrolet C/K Pickup 1970 29 A Custom 355 C10 with 600 RWHP That's what it says. But, it's still purdy. __________________ '72 C-10 w/ '68 Large Journal 327cu.in. "It's o.k. to dream about what you want to do, until you start doing what you are meant to do." Line from "The Rookie"

03-24-2005, 09:15 AM	#24
arkracing Weekend Warrior Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: CT Posts: 1,787	$10K on the motor - why cheap out after you by an aluminum block...might as well go with a billet crank and better rods. Spend $15k and do it the right way the intake doesn't look like an RPM Air-gap as he states....It def. looks like a victor or supervictor (which were "Air-gap" anyway) You can't see the "individual runners" to each cylinder like you can with the RPM AirGap. the intake he has looks like a single plane to me (i.e. Victor, etc.) 600hp - definatly possible for a motor like that...probably needs a different cam and to be set up better. no 600 to the ground with all that crap hanging of the front of the motor (serp with P.S., alt, Waterpump, A/C) the Turbo 400 eats about 15-20 horse. almost as good as the guys who have blowers and A/C ??? WTF can't always get the best of both worlds and that thing probably has to stay over 3500RPM to even run right nice truck though __________________ -'07 GMC Sierra K2500HD -'66 C10 Suburban -'68/'71 K20 Service Bed Project -'69 Chevy C30 Mason Dump -'33Ford P/U 396ChevyPowered

03-25-2005, 04:50 AM	#25
NORCAL_GUY73 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ukiah, California Posts: 121	not to knock anyone, however it is a sweet looking clean ride from top to bottom. I wasn't aware that this site was to talk **** about others, if that were the case, this guy could talk down on most of us all day long with his ride. I feel these relpies appear mostly out of jealousy, i think we should just give people props where they are due and bite your tongue when there are issues or trends you disagree with.... I see things daily on here that have me either scratching my head or wondering why some one purchased every POS from the JC whitney book and slapped it in there truck... yet I say nothing because if thats what they like and want to shell out cash for then oh well... thats my 2 cents...

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