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Hooter · 07-10-2002, 01:47 AM

Parked the truck in the driveway two days ago. went to start it the next day, starter turning real slow and smoking, so i switched starters, didnt fix the problem so then i took the spark plugs out and suddenly it turned over really easily. Then i put the plugs back in and tried starting it. Turned good for a couple of seconds now it wont turn anymore!.I cut my thumb real bad on the flex fan when my wrench slipped so now i am mad and there is blood everywhere. What do i do next?(btw it was running perfectly when i parked the ole 69 2 days ago)

damage · 07-10-2002, 03:26 AM

At first it sounds like the timing is way off... You said it was running fine couple days ago huh. With plugs out, motor is free to turn, but with plugs in, if the timing was off, it could be sparking before the cylinder is all the way up. I would start with timing and see where you stand from there. Distributor may have come loose and turned on you.

Patrick Sullivan · 07-10-2002, 04:43 AM

Yep, it sounds like your timing is way off. Mess with the distributor until you can get the thing to turn over..

Longhorn Man · 07-10-2002, 07:11 AM

1. put on a band-aid.
2. put battery charger on your vehicle's battery. If you have no charger, get another vehicle, and jump of yours with booster cables.
3. get rid of that flex fan, they are a liability. A blade can fly off, through your hood, and if anyone is in its way, it'll cot through them.

*racedvl* · 07-10-2002, 08:08 AM

I agree with Andy 100%. Ditch that flex fan!!! Get your self a nice 6 or 7 blade clutch fan. It is( next to internal regulator convert.) one of the best swaps I did to my truck. Those flex fan just scare the sh*t out of me.. But that's my IMO.

O'l Buck · 07-10-2002, 11:43 AM

Check your grounds....both on the battery and make sure you have a clean connection between the starter housing and the engine block

You might be getting just enough of a connection to start cranking, but when you get good compression, the voltage at the starter is too weak to finish the job.

jku72 · 07-10-2002, 11:52 AM

does sound like a voltage problem. Usual suspect is bad connections somewhere down the line, but things like the battery being old, or oil in the starter will slow things down.

junkyardjohn · 07-10-2002, 12:02 PM

SORTA SOUNDS LIKE THE TIMING CHAIN JUMPED. FIND TDC ON #1 CYL, PULL YOUR CAP & SEE WHERE YOUR ROTOR IS POINTING. (SHOULD BE RIGHT AT #1)
SOMTIMES IT'S THE MOST OBVIOS THINGS.

(IF YOU HEAR HOOFBEATS, DON'T LOOK AROUND EXPECTING TO SEE ZEBRAS)

WB72 · 07-10-2002, 12:31 PM

You could also check your timng chain, If it is in bad condition, it may have slipped a tooth. It happened to an 81 truck I had once. It took me forever to find the problem.

$0.02

junkyardjohn · 07-10-2002, 02:22 PM

YAH -- WHAT HE SAID --

*Randy70C-10* · 07-10-2002, 06:19 PM

Yeah, and get rid of the flex fan!!

Patrick Sullivan · 07-10-2002, 06:57 PM

Man, no one likes flex fans, eh?

Mine hasn't given me any trouble.. of course, when I have the money, I'm going with an electric setup anyway.

tom hand · 07-10-2002, 09:53 PM

One more idea,[that you probaby don,t want to hear] You said the the motor turned over for a while after you put the plugs back in. That could be a headgasket leak filling one of the cylinders with water, causing hydralic lock. Just another thing to check.

Hooter · 07-11-2002, 12:40 AM

I did all the voltage block ground jumping (i even melted a set of jumper cables) still no good. Im thinking it could either be the timing chain or hydrolic lock. It is defenitly something mechanical. Now after the thumb severing incident i am going to invest in a nice carbon fiber fan from Lordco and pour some more vodka over the wound

07-10-2002, 04:43 AM	#3
Patrick Sullivan Transcendental Trucker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Rockaway Beach, OR Posts: 374	Yep, it sounds like your timing is way off. Mess with the distributor until you can get the thing to turn over.. __________________ Patrick Sullivan \| sullivan@oregoncoast.com Rockaway Beach, Oregon 1972 Chevy Cheyenne C-20 1998 Dodge Dakota 4x4 So, fill to me the parting glass And drink a health whate'er befalls... Then gently rise and softly call Goodnight and joy be to you all!

07-10-2002, 07:11 AM	#4
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	1. put on a band-aid. 2. put battery charger on your vehicle's battery. If you have no charger, get another vehicle, and jump of yours with booster cables. 3. get rid of that flex fan, they are a liability. A blade can fly off, through your hood, and if anyone is in its way, it'll cot through them. Last edited by Longhorn Man; 07-10-2002 at 06:23 PM.

07-10-2002, 11:43 AM	#6
O'l Buck Recovering Truck Driver Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Orleans, NE USA Posts: 1,883	Check your grounds....both on the battery and make sure you have a clean connection between the starter housing and the engine block You might be getting just enough of a connection to start cranking, but when you get good compression, the voltage at the starter is too weak to finish the job. __________________ 67 K-20 350, SM465, Eaton rear, 4.56 no spin option 00 Dodge 2500 4x4, 24V cummins, 5 speed Chad South Central Nebraska

07-10-2002, 11:52 AM	#7
jku72 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: cornville, maine Posts: 659	does sound like a voltage problem. Usual suspect is bad connections somewhere down the line, but things like the battery being old, or oil in the starter will slow things down. __________________ jku Cornville, Maine 68 C10 burb 42 Willys MB 46 Dodge WF-32 1.5 ton 53 & 56 Olds' 60 Cadillac 22 Dodge Brothers

07-10-2002, 12:02 PM	#8
junkyardjohn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SOMERSET KY. Posts: 6,427	SORTA SOUNDS LIKE THE TIMING CHAIN JUMPED. FIND TDC ON #1 CYL, PULL YOUR CAP & SEE WHERE YOUR ROTOR IS POINTING. (SHOULD BE RIGHT AT #1) SOMTIMES IT'S THE MOST OBVIOS THINGS. (IF YOU HEAR HOOFBEATS, DON'T LOOK AROUND EXPECTING TO SEE ZEBRAS) __________________ junkyardjohn 69 1 TON TOW TRUCK // 84 4WD CUCV BLAZER// 85 1 TON 4WD STAKE TRUCK// 86 M1031 5/4 TON 4WD CUCV// ALOT OF OLD TRUCKS FOR ONE OLD MAN TO DRIVE. THERES ROOM FOR ALL OF GODS CREATURES RIGHT NEXT TO MY MASHED POTATOES// LIFE MEMBER OF P.E.T.A (PEOPLE EATING TASTY ANIMALS) DON'T RENT U-HAUL ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH IT WILL AMAZE PART OF THE PEOPLE & ASTONISH THE REST Last edited by junkyardjohn; 07-10-2002 at 12:06 PM.

07-10-2002, 01:47 AM	#1
Hooter My other Love Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Castlegar B.C. Canada Posts: 4,078	Motor wont turn! crap Parked the truck in the driveway two days ago. went to start it the next day, starter turning real slow and smoking, so i switched starters, didnt fix the problem so then i took the spark plugs out and suddenly it turned over really easily. Then i put the plugs back in and tried starting it. Turned good for a couple of seconds now it wont turn anymore!.I cut my thumb real bad on the flex fan when my wrench slipped so now i am mad and there is blood everywhere. What do i do next?(btw it was running perfectly when i parked the ole 69 2 days ago) __________________ MEMBER DISCS UP FRONT CLUB 69 custom camper/cst 10 70 monte carlo 383 stroker with a 700r4 77 fully loaded silverado (back in the backyard for a little while longer) 1980 BMW 320i (back in the garage finally) 1981 f@*d f150 4x4 (Robert red ford) tried to kill me 1972 Honda ct 90 trailbike Castlegar B.C.The great white North (Canada Eh!) Hooter_5@hotmail.com AC/DC RULES!!! First generation Monte Carlo club pictures of my life

07-10-2002, 03:26 AM	#2
damage Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Greer, SC Posts: 82	At first it sounds like the timing is way off... You said it was running fine couple days ago huh. With plugs out, motor is free to turn, but with plugs in, if the timing was off, it could be sparking before the cylinder is all the way up. I would start with timing and see where you stand from there. Distributor may have come loose and turned on you.

07-10-2002, 08:08 AM	#5
racedvl Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Woodstock, IL Posts: 7,020	I agree with Andy 100%. Ditch that flex fan!!! Get your self a nice 6 or 7 blade clutch fan. It is( next to internal regulator convert.) one of the best swaps I did to my truck. Those flex fan just scare the sh*t out of me.. But that's my IMO.

07-10-2002, 12:31 PM	#9
WB72 Before and After Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Leduc, Alberta CANADA Posts: 632	You could also check your timng chain, If it is in bad condition, it may have slipped a tooth. It happened to an 81 truck I had once. It took me forever to find the problem. $0.02 __________________ Not Grandpa's C-20 anymore... 383 Stroker 425HP, 485Ft/Lbs Lowered 3.5" Front / 5" Rear 66,000 miles. Alberta, CANADA

07-10-2002, 02:22 PM	#10
junkyardjohn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SOMERSET KY. Posts: 6,427	YAH -- WHAT HE SAID -- __________________ junkyardjohn 69 1 TON TOW TRUCK // 84 4WD CUCV BLAZER// 85 1 TON 4WD STAKE TRUCK// 86 M1031 5/4 TON 4WD CUCV// ALOT OF OLD TRUCKS FOR ONE OLD MAN TO DRIVE. THERES ROOM FOR ALL OF GODS CREATURES RIGHT NEXT TO MY MASHED POTATOES// LIFE MEMBER OF P.E.T.A (PEOPLE EATING TASTY ANIMALS) DON'T RENT U-HAUL ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH IT WILL AMAZE PART OF THE PEOPLE & ASTONISH THE REST

07-10-2002, 06:19 PM	#11
Randy70C-10 Account Suspended Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Virginia Beach, Va. U.S.A. Posts: 15,320	Yeah, and get rid of the flex fan!!

07-10-2002, 06:57 PM	#12
Patrick Sullivan Transcendental Trucker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Rockaway Beach, OR Posts: 374	Man, no one likes flex fans, eh? Mine hasn't given me any trouble.. of course, when I have the money, I'm going with an electric setup anyway. __________________ Patrick Sullivan \| sullivan@oregoncoast.com Rockaway Beach, Oregon 1972 Chevy Cheyenne C-20 1998 Dodge Dakota 4x4 So, fill to me the parting glass And drink a health whate'er befalls... Then gently rise and softly call Goodnight and joy be to you all!

07-10-2002, 09:53 PM	#13
tom hand CCRider Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Olive Branch,MS,USA Posts: 2,232	One more idea,[that you probaby don,t want to hear] You said the the motor turned over for a while after you put the plugs back in. That could be a headgasket leak filling one of the cylinders with water, causing hydralic lock. Just another thing to check. __________________ 72 GMC Sierra SWB almost finished---- 84 Softail Olive Branch MS

07-11-2002, 12:40 AM	#14
Hooter My other Love Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Castlegar B.C. Canada Posts: 4,078	I did all the voltage block ground jumping (i even melted a set of jumper cables) still no good. Im thinking it could either be the timing chain or hydrolic lock. It is defenitly something mechanical. Now after the thumb severing incident i am going to invest in a nice carbon fiber fan from Lordco and pour some more vodka over the wound __________________ MEMBER DISCS UP FRONT CLUB 69 custom camper/cst 10 70 monte carlo 383 stroker with a 700r4 77 fully loaded silverado (back in the backyard for a little while longer) 1980 BMW 320i (back in the garage finally) 1981 f@*d f150 4x4 (Robert red ford) tried to kill me 1972 Honda ct 90 trailbike Castlegar B.C.The great white North (Canada Eh!) Hooter_5@hotmail.com AC/DC RULES!!! First generation Monte Carlo club pictures of my life



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