eBay Cheyenne Super -- Another Fake SPID

[Mapearso]

nice truck
no affiliation

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-C-...US_Cars_Trucks

[leddzepp]

Beautiful truck. Chipflyer could make a perfect SPID for it, problem solved there. I would want to see the vin plate to verify it hasnt been altered and has the correct rivets for legal purposes. Obviously a large purchase like this would require me to see it personally. The Cheyenne and super badges look correctly positioned in the picture.

[DANTIP]

Originally Posted by leddzepp

Beautiful truck. Chipflyer could make a perfect SPID for it, problem solved there. I would want to see the vin plate to verify it hasnt been altered and has the correct rivets for legal purposes. Obviously a large purchase like this would require me to see it personally. The Cheyenne and super badges look correctly positioned in the picture.

I couldn't help myself, I had to raise this again. Real (US-built) 1/2-ton 402-powered trucks in '72 must have the gross weight like the photo above. Notice the gross vehicle weight and front-end vehicle must be the same. This is due to a requirement in '72 for the 402-powered 1/2 ton trucks to have HD front and rear springs. The rear end gross weight must either be 3,220 or 3,500 depending on tire size.

Therefore to be a real SWB 402, the VIN tag must be correct, the dual-exhaust brackets must be properly riveted to the frame (the passenger side rear may either be bolted or riveted but the other dual brackets are riveted), the frame must have a partial VIN that matches the VIN tag the cab must have the high floor-hump, the heat shield must be fastened to the cab to protect the cab from the passenger-side exhaust manifold/pipe, and the frame has to be un-cut. It's my experience that MOST SWB big block trucks are not original. I'd be willing to bet this one is not authentic. Any takers?

[Mapearso]

Originally Posted by DANTIP

I couldn't help myself, I had to raise this again. Real (US-built) 1/2-ton 402-powered trucks in '72 must have the gross weight like the photo above. Notice the gross vehicle weight and front-end vehicle must be the same. This is due to a requirement in '72 for the 402-powered 1/2 ton trucks to have HD front and rear springs. The rear end gross weight must either be 3,220 or 3,500 depending on tire size.

What does "the gross vehicle weight and front-end vehicle must be the same" mean??? Can an original 1/2-ton 402-powered '72 truck be identified solely by the fact that rear end gross weight must either be 3,220 or 3,500?

[DANTIP]

Originally Posted by Mapearso

What does "the gross vehicle weight and front-end vehicle must be the same" mean??? Can an original 1/2-ton 402-powered '72 truck be identified solely by the fact that rear end gross weight must either be 3,220 or 3,500?

The reason the maximum and front end gross weights are the same is due to the HD suspension and tires. You could order a 350-powered truck and get those weights. Therefore, a big-block 1/2-ton MUST have those weights, but a small block truck COULD have them. Small block trucks with these weights are very unusual (especially SWB trucks). The VAST majority of faked big-block truck builders either don't know this or they assume a future buyer will not know it. I'll bet the Ebay truck doesn't have the dual-exhaust brackets or the high-hump. Great looking truck but not an authentic truck as advertised!!!

[Mapearso]

Originally Posted by DANTIP

The reason the maximum and front end gross weights are the same is due to the HD suspension and tires. You could order a 350-powered truck and get those weights. Therefore, a big-block 1/2-ton MUST have those weights, but a small block truck COULD have them. Small block trucks with these weights are very unusual (especially SWB trucks). The VAST majority of faked big-block truck builders either don't know this or they assume a future buyer will not know it. I'll bet the Ebay truck doesn't have the dual-exhaust brackets or the high-hump. Great looking truck but not an authentic truck as advertised!!!

So is this an original big block 1/2 ton?

[special-K]

There are fake SPIDs and there are new or replaced SPIDs. Fake would be one that makes the truck appear to be what it was not originally. A new or replaced one will be just that. Something you need to do when you pint the glovebox door. Does recovering a seat make it fake? Fake is in the intent of the seller

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by special-K

There are fake SPIDs and there are new or replaced SPIDs. Fake would be one that makes the truck appear to be what it was not originally. A new or replaced one will be just that. Something you need to do when you pint the glovebox door. Does recovering a seat make it fake? Fake is in the intent of the seller

Well said

[special-K]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

Well said

Not that well. I said pint where I should have said paint! But you are a master of encryption and got the hidden message

quack quack (I know you get what I mean)

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by special-K

Not that well. I said pint where I should have said paint! But you are a master of encryption and got the hidden message

quack quack (I know you get what I mean)

I know, I'm a legend in my own mint.

[chipflyer]

I have left messages with Chipflyer and he doesn't respond, does anyone know if he is still a member or not. I would really like a SPID for my truck, someone previously removed mine....any help would be appreciated, Jim

Replied to your PM Jim.

Jeff

[HeavyHauler]

Originally Posted by special-K

There are fake SPIDs and there are new or replaced SPIDs. Fake would be one that makes the truck appear to be what it was not originally. A new or replaced one will be just that. Something you need to do when you pint the glovebox door. Does recovering a seat make it fake? Fake is in the intent of the seller

Unless the owner has the original SPID then you cannot really say what actually came on the truck unless you have the original build sheet.

If someone has purchased a "new" or "replacement" SPID there is absolutely no way of proving that what they had placed on SPID is accurate or true, because the factory did not print that SPID but you are going on the word of the owner only. Even if the owner did not intend for it to be fake that doesnt change the fact that the information is fake and incorrect.

Was the seat cover in the original style like the truck came with from the factory or did they "upgrade" it to a more fancy or more desirable "deluxe" style of cover?

Just my opinion though

[lolife99]

I still say these restoration guys should pull the original glovebox door and save it for documentation.
Paint up a second door with a new "chipflyer" SPID, for the restored truck.
That would solve alot of issues, unless you are trying to decieve someone.

[RenoKeene]

Originally Posted by lolife99

I still say these restoration guys should pull the original glovebox door and save it for documentation.
Paint up a second door with a new "chipflyer" SPID, for the restored truck.
That would solve alot of issues, unless you are trying to decieve someone.

Agreed 100%
Nice truck but why put repop side marker lights on such a nice restoration and one of the options is listed as Leather. A little more education on the sellers part wouldn't hurt.

[Already Gone]

I like the truck because i really love the orange/white combo and the fact its a Super> To me its a write the cheque and enjoy yourself truck.

[special-K]

Originally Posted by lolife99

I still say these restoration guys should pull the original glovebox door and save it for documentation.
Paint up a second door with a new "chipflyer" SPID, for the restored truck.
That would solve alot of issues, unless you are trying to decieve someone.

That's exactly what I always did/will do. I found out about blank SPIDs and how to remake good ones while voicing concern about keeping the SPID and glovebox door original while doing a nut and bolt restoration

[Fitz]

Originally Posted by lolife99

I still say these restoration guys should pull the original glovebox door and save it for documentation.
Paint up a second door with a new "chipflyer" SPID, for the restored truck.
That would solve alot of issues, unless you are trying to decieve someone.

If you actually believe a legitimate restorer would sell his vehicle on e-bay I have some beautiful Oceanfront property you might be interested in. It's in Kansas.

[El Dorado Jim]

Originally Posted by lolife99

I still say these restoration guys should pull the original glovebox door and save it for documentation.
Paint up a second door with a new "chipflyer" SPID, for the restored truck.
That would solve alot of issues, unless you are trying to decieve someone.

I have left messages with Chipflyer and he doesn't respond, does anyone know if he is still a member or not. I would really like a SPID for my truck, someone previously removed mine....any help would be appreciated, Jim

[El Dorado Jim]

Originally Posted by El Dorado Jim

I have left messages with Chipflyer and he doesn't respond, does anyone know if he is still a member or not. I would really like a SPID for my truck, someone previously removed mine....any help would be appreciated, Jim

anyone?

[RedRoad]

Why not make your own?

http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=663990

[special-K]

Originally Posted by El Dorado Jim

I have left messages with Chipflyer and he doesn't respond, does anyone know if he is still a member or not. I would really like a SPID for my truck, someone previously removed mine....any help would be appreciated, Jim

Did you leave him a PM here or go to his website? I'm sure he is still a member but don't think he visits regularily

www.outintheshop.com

[71CHEVYSHORTBED402]

Originally Posted by lolife99

I still say these restoration guys should pull the original glovebox door and save it for documentation.
Paint up a second door with a new "chipflyer" SPID, for the restored truck.
That would solve alot of issues, unless you are trying to decieve someone.

Agreed. SSTim taught me that, whatever happened to that dude? I didn't alter the new SPID to match some changes under the rebuild, and I don't know why anyone would short of deception.

[67swb72klb]

Nice nut and bolt restoration

[sboris]

Sure is nice. I for one would not recognize the discrepancys in the spid. For instance: which one is the leather option, or how do you tell the reflecters are aftermarket? You guys sure have a "Reenokeen" eye!

[RenoKeene]

Originally Posted by sboris

Sure is nice. I for one would not recognize the discrepancys in the spid. For instance: which one is the leather option, or how do you tell the reflecters are aftermarket? You guys sure have a "Reenokeen" eye!

You can zoom in on the marker lite pic the seller posted, OEM markers have 'Guide' in raised letters cast into them, repops have no script (and are junk). If you scroll down on the add you'll see the seller listed "Leather" as one of the options.
The SPID itself has the wrong font, not a good reproduction.
The reason I pointed out the cheap marker lites is if they scrimped on that what other cheap parts did they use. If I was considering spending big money on this one I would go over it with a fine tooth comb before making an offer.
Just my opinion.