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**Green Machine** · 11-18-2006, 01:07 PM

On that Mr. Gasket link there is a picture 341 chevy transmission. That is likely the trans that Brad had, it is not a muncie or a saginaw, it is a chevy trans. They are very weak, weird internals, and non sysnchro low and the were used thru 67. 68 and up should have either muncie or saginaw unless swapped out sometime.

Brad · 11-18-2006, 08:35 PM

Green Machine, except for that long tailshaft housing mine looked similar to that. But that tailshaft housing is confusing me if that's what I had because mine was much shorter than that. That drawing could be misleading and out of perspective. My 'Muncie' definately had 4 side bolt covers, was original to the truck and had a non-syncro 1st gear. I hope we can get this all straightened out once and for all because I just sold this and I'd like to inform the guy if I mis-stated what I had.

This is a weird thread- it used to be so cut & dried figuring out what was what on here, lol. Now we're all second guessing ourselves, lol.

**Green Machine** · 11-18-2006, 08:54 PM

10-4 on that. Yep that pic had a weird long tailshaft. I still would bet money yours was the little light duty type. Used from about 55-67 iirc. Long distance troubleshooting can be very tough sometimes. But I reserve the right to be wrong too

crazyred · 11-19-2006, 01:47 AM

Hey Guys

Does anyone know where i can get a rebuild kit for the muncie 3 speed???
I been looking all over the E-net and cant find anything

Shifty ... right now it looks like i might be heading out your way if i cant find a kit

Thank Guys ....you have all been a big help!!!

shifty · 11-19-2006, 01:06 PM

shifty · 11-19-2006, 01:16 PM

Oh - those numbers on the side of it....

On the tailshaft: 3911984 GM 5
On the non-bolted plate side: GM 2 E271 8987948 (B987948? 3987948?)
On bolted plate side: GM2 3952648 E271
Tag on bolted plate side: 3968081QY (396808IQY?)

And one last tidbit of info: This SOB was wound the hell out in 3rd gear when hooked up to my 3-on-tree. I could only do 65 with it running 5k RPM at 65mph with my 3.73 gears. I hope this helps?

All the numbers I am looking up online keep saying this is a Muncie 4spd, but ... I don't believe it.

Would the shift linkage linkage have prevented me from hitting the 4th speed?

Brad · 11-19-2006, 08:28 PM

Jason, it doesn't makes sense that you were wound out in 3rd gear with a 3.73 rearend UNLESS this was a 4 speed. On a 3 speed the 3rd gear is 1.00:1 and you'd only be doing around 3000rpm at 65 with a 3.73 rearend.

shifty · 11-19-2006, 10:40 PM

I should clarify

It "felt" like I was wound out around 5k RPM. I definitely could not go faster than 65 in the truck or it sounded like it would blow up (3spd+that tranny).

I looked at all the Muncie 3spds, my side cover plate doesn't look like any of them. I actually can't find a dang cover plate that looks anything like mine and the one above - the muncie and saginaw that look alike have one bolt in a high middle position - like the one with the side cover off that you posted a pic of above. however, neither of these two trannies have that.

i'd love to know what that tag means on the side of mine. i feel like that is some RPO code or some other indicator to tell what the heck it is.

RSRXION · 11-19-2006, 11:25 PM

With respect to your trans... that is definitely Muncie as many have stated previously. The fastest way to ID them is the 2 top bolts for Muncie and 1 bolt top center for a Saginaw. Is the Muncie tougher ? Many people think so but they don't bring much when compared to the Saginaws.

I am an auctioneer as well as a fire fighter and we just completed our first racing auction last weekend. We'll be doing several of them throughout the Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas region in the coming months. We sold 3 speed Saginaws at auction for as much as 100.00. The Muncies brought a max of 50.00. The Saginaws are very popular iin the dirt track world and finding those without broken "ears" is what makes them so valuable. There are some racing trans companies out there who will pay 100.00 flat for any Saginaw with ears intact without regard to the inner workings. Hope this helps you decide not to throw those old " bad " transmissions away. Dean

shifty · 11-19-2006, 11:36 PM

What is an "ear"?

And, by all means, which Muncie is this? Like, what is the model # on it? How many speeds is it? Any other info you can provide?

Brad · 11-20-2006, 12:09 AM

The 'ear' is the part that bolts up to the bell housing.

shifty · 11-28-2006, 03:34 PM

Wow, trying to get a definitive answer (model # of pictured trannies above) is like trying to find out how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Tootsie Pop.

I can't find a model number and the side plate doesn't match the bolt pattern of any Muncie I have ever found anywhere on the internet.

**Roland** · 11-28-2006, 04:38 PM

Betcha it's a 351 Muncie. It should have a syncronized first gear. Look at the spacing of the shift fork shafts and the extra cast bosses on the cover plate.

shifty · 11-28-2006, 04:48 PM

The bolt pattern is roughly the same, but the drain plug and the side cover is a diff't shape than what is pictured in the Mr Gasket PDF....linked in a post above.

mhicks · 11-28-2006, 05:31 PM

S=Saginaw, M=Muncie
SM, is this not Sginaw/Muncie?

crazyred · 11-28-2006, 11:52 PM

Hey shifty somewhere around the side cover you should find some numbers stamped into the machined surface of the case. The pic shows you where i found mine.

now that stamp should tell what exactly you have once take a look at this web page---> http://www.novaresource.org/trans.htm

I think that should help you out

jimfulco · 11-29-2006, 01:38 AM

The bigger all-synchro Muncie 3-speed was the heavy-duty option in cars when the Saginaw was standard equipment. My sister's '69 Camaro SS came with the Muncie, and it was surely heavy, especially resting on your belly after her clutch went SPROINGGG.

motocrosschump · 11-29-2006, 11:03 AM

Muncie 3 speeds was an "Heavy Duty" option for passenger cars.

Fenny · 11-29-2006, 05:42 PM

65-68 was a Borg Warner HD 3 speed (T16) and 69-72 was a Muncie HD 3 speed (MC1). The diagram here is typical for the T16 shows the correct tail section for Shifty. But according to the cast numbers on the side cover Shifty's transmission is a 71-72 Muncie and Crazyred's is a 69-70 Muncie

http://1964-77chevelleparts.com/pdf/...ansmission.pdf

shifty · 11-29-2006, 06:10 PM

Interesting. The Mr Gasket PDF shows the T16 with a 9-bolt side cover. I have had two different people tell me that it was probably a Muncie MC1 or M13 at this point (@ another forum), but ... that's the first definitive proof I've seen that it could be anything else.

Thanks for the link, Fenny.

It's possible this is a T16 made in '68 and could have come with the truck, I guess. I have tried time and time again to find anyone with extensive pictures of various trannies on the web, and nobody I've found does. Nobody pays attention to truck trannies, only the SS cars and whatnot.

Fenny · 11-29-2006, 06:35 PM

I think you may have misunderstood me. I am agreeing with you that it is a Muncie. The diagram in the link is for the T16.

Fenny · 11-29-2006, 06:42 PM

Also I don't see a t-16 on the Mr.Gasket pdf. Just T-10's.

Brad · 11-29-2006, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fenny

65-68 was a Borg Warner HD 3 speed (T16) and 69-72 was a Muncie HD 3 speed (MC1). The diagram here is typical for the T16 shows the correct tail section for Shifty. But according to the cast numbers on the side cover Shifty's transmission is a 71-72 Muncie and Crazyred's is a 69-70 Muncie
http://1964-77chevelleparts.com/pdf/...ansmission.pdf

That link is great!
But I'm still a little confused as to what I had in my '67. It had 4 side cover bolt holes I think, with a number of M7M15. The 3 speed listed above has 7. The 3 speed Saginaw from 55-65 looks similar but it appears to have at least 5. So personally, I'm still at square one trying to figure out what the heck my truck came with from the factory. I wish I still had a picture and I just finally sold it about a month ago now.
I'm so happy with my new T-5!

shifty · 11-29-2006, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fenny

I think you may have misunderstood me. I am agreeing with you that it is a Muncie. The diagram in the link is for the T16.

The diagram in the link you sent says "Correct for MC1, 'typical' for T16". I think it's a diagram of the MC1, so I agree I think it looks like an MC1.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fenny

Also I don't see a t-16 on the Mr.Gasket pdf. Just T-10's.

Sorry, here:

http://www.teufert.net/trans/trannyid.pdf

I think that is where Mr Gasket got the images (if not, it looks exactly the same!) The T16 is listed in there and has a 9-bolt side cover. Looks nothing like what is posted in the PDF you linked, for whatever reason (I think that's why it says "Typical" for T16).

I'm going to look for the casting number mentioned above - on my way home right now. Maybe we can put this to rest once and for all

shifty · 11-29-2006, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad

That link is great!
But I'm still a little confused as to what I had in my '67. It had 4 side cover bolt holes I think, with a number of M7M15.

Look at the PDF I just posted...look like any at the end of that? The Chevy 341, 342 and 344 looks like they have a 4 bolt cover

11-18-2006, 01:07 PM	#26
Green Machine Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Estherville, Iowa Posts: 3,371	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw On that Mr. Gasket link there is a picture 341 chevy transmission. That is likely the trans that Brad had, it is not a muncie or a saginaw, it is a chevy trans. They are very weak, weird internals, and non sysnchro low and the were used thru 67. 68 and up should have either muncie or saginaw unless swapped out sometime. __________________ 1968 C10 307 3spd Long Fleet ------ http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=201103 1970 C10 305 Super T10 Long Fleet --- http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=202285 1971 C20 383 TH350 Dana Posi ----- http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=206894 2001 GMC Sierra 1500 C3 6.0

11-18-2006, 08:35 PM	#27
Brad Out of the carpool lane. Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Clark Co, WA Posts: 5,673	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw Green Machine, except for that long tailshaft housing mine looked similar to that. But that tailshaft housing is confusing me if that's what I had because mine was much shorter than that. That drawing could be misleading and out of perspective. My 'Muncie' definately had 4 side bolt covers, was original to the truck and had a non-syncro 1st gear. I hope we can get this all straightened out once and for all because I just sold this and I'd like to inform the guy if I mis-stated what I had. This is a weird thread- it used to be so cut & dried figuring out what was what on here, lol. Now we're all second guessing ourselves, lol. __________________ 1968 C-10 SWB, 5.7 Vortec/700R4/3.73 posi, Torch Red 1968 Camaro, 250/Powerglide, all original (No, I'm not gonna drop a 350 in it!...Jeez!) 2000 Honda VFR in the faster yellow! 2008 Husqvarna TE-610 1967 C-10 SWB 'Six Appeal'-Gone but not forgotten...

11-18-2006, 08:54 PM	#28
Green Machine Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Estherville, Iowa Posts: 3,371	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw 10-4 on that. Yep that pic had a weird long tailshaft. I still would bet money yours was the little light duty type. Used from about 55-67 iirc. Long distance troubleshooting can be very tough sometimes. But I reserve the right to be wrong too __________________ 1968 C10 307 3spd Long Fleet ------ http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=201103 1970 C10 305 Super T10 Long Fleet --- http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=202285 1971 C20 383 TH350 Dana Posi ----- http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=206894 2001 GMC Sierra 1500 C3 6.0

11-19-2006, 01:47 AM	#29
crazyred yeeha Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sherwood Park & Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 72	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw Hey Guys Does anyone know where i can get a rebuild kit for the muncie 3 speed??? I been looking all over the E-net and cant find anything Shifty ... right now it looks like i might be heading out your way if i cant find a kit Thank Guys ....you have all been a big help!!! __________________ 1969 GMC 910 97% rust free 2002 olds Alero 1986 New Yorker 4dr ... the new DD...My POS car... dude its got a turbo!!! Don't drink and drive, you might spill something!!! Daryl Kuchmak

11-19-2006, 01:06 PM	#30
shifty Questionable Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 13,376	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw Here, guys....here are some pictures from when it first came out AND very, very close up shots of the casting numbers and crap like that. If this isn't enough to ID the tranny, I don't know what is. NOTE: The first picture linked up here is LARGE. (~400k in size), so dialup users beware. http://satellitehead.com/uploads/3sp...anny%20000.jpg http://satellitehead.com/uploads/3sp...anny%20001.jpg http://satellitehead.com/uploads/3sp...anny%20002.jpg http://satellitehead.com/uploads/3sp...anny%20003.jpg http://satellitehead.com/uploads/3sp...anny%20004.jpg http://satellitehead.com/uploads/3sp...anny%20005.jpg http://satellitehead.com/uploads/3sp...anny%20006.jpg http://satellitehead.com/uploads/3sp...anny%20007.jpg http://satellitehead.com/uploads/3sp...anny%20008.jpg http://satellitehead.com/uploads/3sp...anny%20009.jpg http://satellitehead.com/uploads/3sp...anny%20010.jpg http://satellitehead.com/uploads/3sp...anny%20011.jpg http://satellitehead.com/uploads/3sp...anny%20012.jpg http://satellitehead.com/uploads/3sp...anny%20013.jpg Just for S&G, here are a couple images for people to look at w/o clicking on links __________________ If I've got anything up for grabs, it'll be here: 7-hole gauge cluster for a 67-72 p/u FREE (link) I can't check the forum daily. If I don't reply to you within 24 hours, drop me a PM! I'm (hopefully) still alive and will reply faster to a PM.

11-19-2006, 01:16 PM	#31
shifty Questionable Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 13,376	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw Oh - those numbers on the side of it.... On the tailshaft: 3911984 GM 5 On the non-bolted plate side: GM 2 E271 8987948 (B987948? 3987948?) On bolted plate side: GM2 3952648 E271 Tag on bolted plate side: 3968081QY (396808IQY?) And one last tidbit of info: This SOB was wound the hell out in 3rd gear when hooked up to my 3-on-tree. I could only do 65 with it running 5k RPM at 65mph with my 3.73 gears. I hope this helps? All the numbers I am looking up online keep saying this is a Muncie 4spd, but ... I don't believe it. Would the shift linkage linkage have prevented me from hitting the 4th speed? __________________ If I've got anything up for grabs, it'll be here: 7-hole gauge cluster for a 67-72 p/u FREE (link) I can't check the forum daily. If I don't reply to you within 24 hours, drop me a PM! I'm (hopefully) still alive and will reply faster to a PM. Last edited by shifty; 11-19-2006 at 01:19 PM.

11-19-2006, 08:28 PM	#32
Brad Out of the carpool lane. Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Clark Co, WA Posts: 5,673	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw Jason, it doesn't makes sense that you were wound out in 3rd gear with a 3.73 rearend UNLESS this was a 4 speed. On a 3 speed the 3rd gear is 1.00:1 and you'd only be doing around 3000rpm at 65 with a 3.73 rearend. __________________ 1968 C-10 SWB, 5.7 Vortec/700R4/3.73 posi, Torch Red 1968 Camaro, 250/Powerglide, all original (No, I'm not gonna drop a 350 in it!...Jeez!) 2000 Honda VFR in the faster yellow! 2008 Husqvarna TE-610 1967 C-10 SWB 'Six Appeal'-Gone but not forgotten...

11-19-2006, 10:40 PM	#33
shifty Questionable Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 13,376	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw I should clarify It "felt" like I was wound out around 5k RPM. I definitely could not go faster than 65 in the truck or it sounded like it would blow up (3spd+that tranny). I looked at all the Muncie 3spds, my side cover plate doesn't look like any of them. I actually can't find a dang cover plate that looks anything like mine and the one above - the muncie and saginaw that look alike have one bolt in a high middle position - like the one with the side cover off that you posted a pic of above. however, neither of these two trannies have that. i'd love to know what that tag means on the side of mine. i feel like that is some RPO code or some other indicator to tell what the heck it is. __________________ If I've got anything up for grabs, it'll be here: 7-hole gauge cluster for a 67-72 p/u FREE (link) I can't check the forum daily. If I don't reply to you within 24 hours, drop me a PM! I'm (hopefully) still alive and will reply faster to a PM.

11-19-2006, 11:25 PM	#34
RSRXION Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 227	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw With respect to your trans... that is definitely Muncie as many have stated previously. The fastest way to ID them is the 2 top bolts for Muncie and 1 bolt top center for a Saginaw. Is the Muncie tougher ? Many people think so but they don't bring much when compared to the Saginaws. I am an auctioneer as well as a fire fighter and we just completed our first racing auction last weekend. We'll be doing several of them throughout the Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas region in the coming months. We sold 3 speed Saginaws at auction for as much as 100.00. The Muncies brought a max of 50.00. The Saginaws are very popular iin the dirt track world and finding those without broken "ears" is what makes them so valuable. There are some racing trans companies out there who will pay 100.00 flat for any Saginaw with ears intact without regard to the inner workings. Hope this helps you decide not to throw those old " bad " transmissions away. Dean __________________ "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin

11-19-2006, 11:36 PM	#35
shifty Questionable Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 13,376	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw What is an "ear"? And, by all means, which Muncie is this? Like, what is the model # on it? How many speeds is it? Any other info you can provide? __________________ If I've got anything up for grabs, it'll be here: 7-hole gauge cluster for a 67-72 p/u FREE (link) I can't check the forum daily. If I don't reply to you within 24 hours, drop me a PM! I'm (hopefully) still alive and will reply faster to a PM.

11-20-2006, 12:09 AM	#36
Brad Out of the carpool lane. Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Clark Co, WA Posts: 5,673	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw The 'ear' is the part that bolts up to the bell housing. __________________ 1968 C-10 SWB, 5.7 Vortec/700R4/3.73 posi, Torch Red 1968 Camaro, 250/Powerglide, all original (No, I'm not gonna drop a 350 in it!...Jeez!) 2000 Honda VFR in the faster yellow! 2008 Husqvarna TE-610 1967 C-10 SWB 'Six Appeal'-Gone but not forgotten...

11-28-2006, 03:34 PM	#37
shifty Questionable Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 13,376	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw Wow, trying to get a definitive answer (model # of pictured trannies above) is like trying to find out how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Tootsie Pop. I can't find a model number and the side plate doesn't match the bolt pattern of any Muncie I have ever found anywhere on the internet. __________________ If I've got anything up for grabs, it'll be here: 7-hole gauge cluster for a 67-72 p/u FREE (link) I can't check the forum daily. If I don't reply to you within 24 hours, drop me a PM! I'm (hopefully) still alive and will reply faster to a PM.

11-28-2006, 04:38 PM	#38
Roland Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Brandon, MS Posts: 134	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw Betcha it's a 351 Muncie. It should have a syncronized first gear. Look at the spacing of the shift fork shafts and the extra cast bosses on the cover plate.

11-28-2006, 04:48 PM	#39
shifty Questionable Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 13,376	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw The bolt pattern is roughly the same, but the drain plug and the side cover is a diff't shape than what is pictured in the Mr Gasket PDF....linked in a post above. __________________ If I've got anything up for grabs, it'll be here: 7-hole gauge cluster for a 67-72 p/u FREE (link) I can't check the forum daily. If I don't reply to you within 24 hours, drop me a PM! I'm (hopefully) still alive and will reply faster to a PM.

11-28-2006, 05:31 PM	#40
mhicks Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Weatherford,Tx Posts: 747	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw S=Saginaw, M=Muncie SM, is this not Sginaw/Muncie?



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11-28-2006, 11:52 PM	#41
crazyred yeeha Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sherwood Park & Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 72	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw Hey shifty somewhere around the side cover you should find some numbers stamped into the machined surface of the case. The pic shows you where i found mine. now that stamp should tell what exactly you have once take a look at this web page---> http://www.novaresource.org/trans.htm I think that should help you out __________________ 1969 GMC 910 97% rust free 2002 olds Alero 1986 New Yorker 4dr ... the new DD...My POS car... dude its got a turbo!!! Don't drink and drive, you might spill something!!! Daryl Kuchmak

11-29-2006, 01:38 AM	#42
jimfulco Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Shreveport LA Posts: 3,170	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw The bigger all-synchro Muncie 3-speed was the heavy-duty option in cars when the Saginaw was standard equipment. My sister's '69 Camaro SS came with the Muncie, and it was surely heavy, especially resting on your belly after her clutch went SPROINGGG. Last edited by jimfulco; 11-29-2006 at 01:39 AM.

11-29-2006, 11:03 AM	#43
motocrosschump Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Texarkana, AR 71854 Posts: 397	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw Muncie 3 speeds was an "Heavy Duty" option for passenger cars. __________________ 2006 Titan SE Crew Cab Daily Driver 2005 Mazda Tribute (Wifes car) 1969 C10 SWB 350/3 Fleet "Max" 1969 Chevelle 2 door 350/3

11-29-2006, 05:42 PM	#44
Fenny Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Calgary AB Posts: 41	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw 65-68 was a Borg Warner HD 3 speed (T16) and 69-72 was a Muncie HD 3 speed (MC1). The diagram here is typical for the T16 shows the correct tail section for Shifty. But according to the cast numbers on the side cover Shifty's transmission is a 71-72 Muncie and Crazyred's is a 69-70 Muncie http://1964-77chevelleparts.com/pdf/...ansmission.pdf __________________ 72 GMC 3/4 ton Custom Camper 5.3 ltr 4l60e 72 Chevy Blazer 4x4 327 4spd 70 Olds Cutlass supreme 455 4spd m21 Last edited by Fenny; 11-29-2006 at 06:02 PM.

11-29-2006, 06:10 PM	#45
shifty Questionable Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 13,376	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw Interesting. The Mr Gasket PDF shows the T16 with a 9-bolt side cover. I have had two different people tell me that it was probably a Muncie MC1 or M13 at this point (@ another forum), but ... that's the first definitive proof I've seen that it could be anything else. Thanks for the link, Fenny. It's possible this is a T16 made in '68 and could have come with the truck, I guess. I have tried time and time again to find anyone with extensive pictures of various trannies on the web, and nobody I've found does. Nobody pays attention to truck trannies, only the SS cars and whatnot. __________________ If I've got anything up for grabs, it'll be here: 7-hole gauge cluster for a 67-72 p/u FREE (link) I can't check the forum daily. If I don't reply to you within 24 hours, drop me a PM! I'm (hopefully) still alive and will reply faster to a PM.

11-29-2006, 06:35 PM	#46
Fenny Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Calgary AB Posts: 41	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw I think you may have misunderstood me. I am agreeing with you that it is a Muncie. The diagram in the link is for the T16. __________________ 72 GMC 3/4 ton Custom Camper 5.3 ltr 4l60e 72 Chevy Blazer 4x4 327 4spd 70 Olds Cutlass supreme 455 4spd m21

11-29-2006, 06:42 PM	#47
Fenny Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Calgary AB Posts: 41	Re: is it a muncie or saginaw Also I don't see a t-16 on the Mr.Gasket pdf. Just T-10's. __________________ 72 GMC 3/4 ton Custom Camper 5.3 ltr 4l60e 72 Chevy Blazer 4x4 327 4spd 70 Olds Cutlass supreme 455 4spd m21

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