New to the c10 scene, boosted lsx

[Revorollerr]

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[Wasted Income]

Ouch!!

I will just say that BW turbos go 1 million + miles on semis, and 10,000 + hours in heavy equipment....

There is a reason that precision turbos are not used by OEMs...

[Revorollerr]

Originally Posted by Wasted Income

Ouch!!

I will just say that BW turbos go 1 million + miles on semis, and 10,000 + hours in heavy equipment....

There is a reason that precision turbos are not used by OEMs...

This was exactly my reasoning for considering them.

[BR3W CITY]

This is also a good way to show everyone why ball bearing turbo's are FTW. I don't trust bushings. At least if a BB overheats/thins oil you can detect shaft play and bearing noise before self destructing the whole thing.

I think your answer is a sealed Ceramic Ball Bearing turbo, because anything worth doing is worth overdoing. No oil lines, no heat concerns, spin it to the galaxy of your choice. Sure its like 4x the price....but they are something special.

[Wasted Income]

^ Really? All the Borg-Warner and Garrett heavy duty stuff are all journal bearing turbos....not ball bearing....

[Jon01]

Originally Posted by BR3W CITY

This is also a good way to show everyone why ball bearing turbo's are FTW. I don't trust bushings. At least if a BB overheats/thins oil you can detect shaft play and bearing noise before self destructing the whole thing.

I think your answer is a sealed Ceramic Ball Bearing turbo, because anything worth doing is worth overdoing. No oil lines, no heat concerns, spin it to the galaxy of your choice. Sure its like 4x the price....but they are something special.

Backasswards comment.

Journal bearing turbos run millions of miles in tons of applications, many in constant boost.

Precision stuff is known junk that they rarely stand behind. Get a hold of Jose and get a BW coming.
If Hydroboost keeps giving you fits I'd get rid of it. I run manual stock disc/drum stuff on my truck and it stops just fine.

[Wasted Income]

Originally Posted by Jon01

Backasswards comment.

Journal bearing turbos run millions of miles in tons of applications, many in constant boost.

Exactly.

Two of the products my company makes are diesel gen-sets, and 7500 hp marine diesel engines...both of which run at 100% load and rated power (max boost) for hours on end....and they both use journal bearing turbos....

I agree with giving Jose a call...I've been happy with both turbos I've gotten from him.

[Jon01]

I work for Deere and our stuff is journal bearing, in some cases compound turbos, all seeing similar operating conditions.
Where do you work Wasted?

[boostedc10]

I agree with the masses here the borg warner is the way to go for sure, f the precisions. Clocked a ton of hours and miles on them with no issues at all.

I will say Garrett cartridge bearing turbos are also reliable and spool faster than the journal style though. They still need oil though, just less of it

[Wasted Income]

Originally Posted by Jon01

Where do you work Wasted?

Here's a couple of the little engines I was talking about...journal bearing turbos for days.

[Wasted Income]

Saw this on FB today...lol



http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=481264

[boostedc10]

Originally Posted by Wasted Income

Saw this on FB today...lol



http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=481264

How could that happen? Those are the go fast turbos the Street Outlawz use!

[BR3W CITY]

While you may not agree with my comment, there is still a staunch difference between being good for reliability, and being good for performance. Turbos do not start and end at journal bearings. If that was the case, why would BW (your recommendation) have built the EFR line?

I'm not saying journal bearings are crap, but regardless of who you bought the turbo from, there is the option of going to BB, or even ceramic bb if the company offers it. I'll completely agree that PT has huge issues right now, but to somehow take that statement and turn it into "journal bearings vs the world" is pointless. For every "well the o.e. does it this way because its the best" story, there is at least one "the o.e. does it this way because its cheap/available/understandable" story.

[boostedc10]

I think the point is many people over due turbos and spend more than needed for their application.

If you are not big cubes turning big r's there is no need to go ceramic bb or even bb for that case. Then we can carry that into billet wheels and so on and so on.

Point here is do some research on turbos, have a plan and get the right turbo for your application and not because it's cool or everyone else is doing it!

[BR3W CITY]

[Wasted Income]

Originally Posted by BR3W CITY

This is also a good way to show everyone why ball bearing turbo's are FTW. I don't trust bushings. At least if a BB overheats/thins oil you can detect shaft play and bearing noise before self destructing the whole thing.

I think your answer is a sealed Ceramic Ball Bearing turbo, because anything worth doing is worth overdoing. No oil lines, no heat concerns, spin it to the galaxy of your choice. Sure its like 4x the price....but they are something special.

Originally Posted by BR3W CITY

there is still a staunch difference between being good for reliability, and being good for performance.

LOL, ok dude. Which is it? You seem to be talking out both sides of your mouth?


I can tell you with certainty that if there was ANY concern that we "couldn't trust bushings", or were worried that a journal bearing turbo was a risk to come apart and "destroy the whole thing", we wouldn't be using them on $1,000,000+ gen sets, with the risk of paying warranty claims on them.

Even the journal bearing china ebay turbos that some guys are using are holding up better than the precision stuff lately.

You've been watching too much fast and furious if you think that a ceramic ball bearing turbo is the only way to go fast.

Spirit. Thank you. Thank you for providing us with the direct-port nitrous... uh... injection, four-core intercoolers, an' ball-bearing turbos, and... um... titanium valve springs. Thank you.

[ls1nova71]

Geez, where's the mother F'n unsubscribe button.....

[Wasted Income]

^ Fantastic post. Would read again.

[littlevictories]

Originally Posted by ls1nova71

Geez, where's the mother F'n unsubscribe button.....

as far as i can tell it only subscribes you to a thread if you post in it. then it sends you an email note when the next person replies to the thread. there is a link in the email note. i cant seem to turn of that email note in settings myself.
so i just quit posting in threads that have no lols.

of course that information you probably knew and you are being facetious.
in which case, carry on.

[Benlugchev]

Looks like a sweet build man. Get this thing buzzing out on the streets. See some footage. For what it's worth ...I stand behind journal bearing turbos any day.

[Revorollerr]

Originally Posted by Benlugchev

Looks like a sweet build man. Get this thing buzzing out on the streets. See some footage. For what it's worth ...I stand behind journal bearing turbos any day.

Thanks! I just got the truck up and going last weekend. So far so good, running pretty rich at wot and 14psi but pulls like a freight train. my VS racing 80mm GT45 aka CHINA turbo has been doing awesome, quiet a few guys running these with no issues and running 9sec 1/4 ets consistently. I need to finish my center console and clean up some wiring for my two step and line lock. I noticed my v band clamps loosening up quiet often (about every 2-3days after lengthy driving) anyone else had similar issues? I hate cranking em down because I've broken a couple clamps already.

For the most part I'm pleased with the truck, the old heads/cam 5.3 made for a good sleeper, this is a whole new animal haha

[Revorollerr]

Been a minute since I had any updates- Last year when tuning commenced, the truck lost crank signal on the dyno, which usually is the result of a thrust failure. Sure enough - the converter charge pressure wasn't properly regulated via jakes performance which resulted in the destruction of the main bearings in the engine not even 100 miles after I just had the engine rebuilt from the PT88 failure. I was ready to ditch the turbo setup and throw in the towel, however; my tuner hooked me up with a very reputable LSx builder.

Had the 347 gone through yet again
-th400 rebuilt and a trans brake installed
-rebuilt the hotside with 2.25" pipe, fully divided into a t6 flange
-ditched the truck manifolds and did some mods to a set of VS racing/ebay turbo headers
-Sold the GT45 80mm in favor of a cast wheel s475 that I got a killer deal on ($200)
-Removed the ebay Air to air and installed my frozen boost air to water intercooler
-along with some small changes to the interior

Fast forward to present, finished the truck the day before Street Car takeover Denver - had some issues with the boost leash controller so we were stuck on gate pressure (12psi), made 655rwhp 612rwtq on 91 with 100% meth.

Best pass was 11.1 @ 122mph with a 9100 DA, 60' 1.7, fairly positive I could of got into the 10.80s with another run or two. I took runner up in daily driven class, I would of easily took first but I got nervous and didn't stage the truck correctly (big mistake on a pro tree) so I left on virtually no boost.

Rear suspension is still factory minus the belltech lowering shocks and CPP drop springs, running a 275 MT ET street.
Ordered some shock relocation mounts and will probably order some QA1 double adjustables to do some fine tuning.

This winter I will probably install a Skyview Racing tubular kmember which allows the addition of first gen fbody suspension and offers a good bit of weight reduction, most likely will step up to a BW S484, FIC 1000 injectors and make the switch to e85 - see if we can run 9s.

Ill upload some photos later, heres a video my tuner made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWgw...ature=youtu.be

[aknovaman]

Nice clean truck.

Salute smartly and carry on.