Parting Out versus Scrap

[TwoFiftyShifter]

I think the front axle is worth nearly a grand. Dana 60. I have an 04 F350 that I love so I hope daughter can get it fixed. She sounds like a tough chick!

[1976gmc20]

Well, I did a bit of internet research (like 5 minutes!) and found an oil analysis place right there in Grand Rapids!

So by next week she will know if the engine is any good.

Also, this came out today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpEk1FOxB0Q

They pushed the roof back up with their feet!

[Steeveedee]

What a mess! I'd never trust that again in a rollover.

[1976gmc20]

Originally Posted by Steeveedee

What a mess! I'd never trust that again in a rollover.

Which - her truck or the Landcruiser ???

[Steeveedee]

Originally Posted by 1976gmc20

Which - her truck or the Landcruiser ???

The one that rolled over and got the roof pushed back by the people. I'll admit that I FFWD some of the video, though. Maybe what I watched wasn't what you were talking about. I don't generally watch videos that long (or in general), due to the amount of yakking going on.

[1976gmc20]

Originally Posted by Steeveedee

The one that rolled over and got the roof pushed back by the people. I'll admit that I FFWD some of the video, though. Maybe what I watched wasn't what you were talking about. I don't generally watch videos that long (or in general), due to the amount of yakking going on.

Okay, well they trailered the LC back to Idaho which is how they got it from Idaho to Utah to begin with. Somewhere in one of the videos Alan said that he knew where there was a good LC body and he was going to swap it out before taking it back to Utah and trying to roll it again

I think my daughter's Ford is fixable though not to look pretty again, but only if the engine isn't damaged from running upside down for we don't exactly know how long. I have serious doubts that her engine is any good now. Just because it started up and ran okay for a little while doesn't mean the bearings/crank aren't damaged and it won't seize up or start knocking in a few miles or days or weeks. But I guess I'm some sort of scrooge for thinking that way

[Steeveedee]

Originally Posted by 1976gmc20

Okay, well they trailered the LC back to Idaho which is how they got it from Idaho to Utah to begin with. Somewhere in one of the videos Alan said that he knew where there was a good LC body and he was going to swap it out before taking it back to Utah and trying to roll it again

I think my daughter's Ford is fixable though not to look pretty again, but only if the engine isn't damaged from running upside down for we don't exactly know how long. I have serious doubts that her engine is any good now. Just because it started up and ran okay for a little while doesn't mean the bearings/crank aren't damaged and it won't seize up or start knocking in a few miles or days or weeks. But I guess I'm some sort of scrooge for thinking that way

I remember hearing a Texaco Oil ad on the air where they had used Havoline oil for some number of miles, and then drained the crankcase and drove it around Manhattan in traffic, without an oil-related failure. I'm certain that you're daughters engine is fine, if she was using Havoline. And if you believe that...

[1976gmc20]

Originally Posted by Steeveedee

I remember hearing a Texaco Oil ad on the air where they had used Havoline oil for some number of miles, and then drained the crankcase and drove it around Manhattan in traffic, without an oil-related failure. I'm certain that you're daughters engine is fine, if she was using Havoline. And if you believe that...

Yeah, I remember that ad

Also: "You can trust your car to the man who wears the star ..."

[joedoh]

i bought a soft rollover from the parents of the kid that rolled it, ran upside down till the gas ran out, which is pretty soon with where the pickup is in the tank. filled the intake tube absolutely full of engine oil. drained all that, filled the crankcase. that truck ran for me for 5 years and another 3 for a friend.

I say run it.

[57taskforce]

I’ve got a 6.0 Chevy that ran upside down for a short time... it’s getting a stroker bottom end because the rods and crank are both trash... it doesn’t take long for the damage to be done.

[1976gmc20]

Originally Posted by joedoh

i bought a soft rollover from the parents of the kid that rolled it, ran upside down till the gas ran out, which is pretty soon with where the pickup is in the tank. filled the intake tube absolutely full of engine oil. drained all that, filled the crankcase. that truck ran for me for 5 years and another 3 for a friend.

I say run it.

Originally Posted by 57taskforce

I’ve got a 6.0 Chevy that ran upside down for a short time... it’s getting a stroker bottom end because the rods and crank are both trash... it doesn’t take long for the damage to be done.

I'm guessing the more modern engines with tighter tolerances are more susceptible to low oil pressure damage ???

If it was an old Chevy six I would say worst case scenario would be just drop the pan and slap in some new rod/main bearings.

Hopefully she will get the oil analysis back by the middle of next week.

[TwoFiftyShifter]

It ran upside down and the spark plugs didnt pop out?

[1976gmc20]

Originally Posted by TwoFiftyShifter

It ran upside down and the spark plugs didnt pop out?

Don't blame me. She didn't ask me before she bought it last year. But a 2002 in near perfect condition with only 90K miles sounds like a good deal.

Come to think of it, I think our fire department F-550 has a V-10 in it. No engine problems yet but I don't think it even has 20K miles on it yet.

[joedoh]

Originally Posted by 1976gmc20

I'm guessing the more modern engines with tighter tolerances are more susceptible to low oil pressure damage ???

maybe. mine was a 2002

[1976gmc20]

Of course the old carb engines would just die when they rolled over.

We never had any trouble* with the engine in the VW that rolled several times and landed on its side. No clue if she shut it off or not. One side sure smoked at first when we righted it and started the engine. I crawled in the window and drove it home. It sat on its side for an hour or two because some busybody called HP to come way the heck up there in the mountains

I never tipped anything in spite of all the crazy places I drove. There's a wood cutting and fence access trail our our property where I drive the GMT400 pickup with no problem, but there's enough sidehill that I'm not sure I would take the 4runner up there. The jeep would be just fine though because it's not nearly so tall.

* well, other than the typical VW crap

[1976gmc20]

Elevated silicon (dirt/dust) abrasives. This is most likely an environmental
contaminant that entered through the air intake.

2.7% fuel dilution is considered "normal" by most engine manufacturers.
Excessive water contamination. This may be due to short operating
intervals or the result of the rollover accident.

Wear metals are normal.

Doesn't sound like bearing damage from low oil pressure running upside down.

[1976gmc20]

So, does anyone know of a body repair person in western Michigan that would take on this project for a reasonable price?

The truck isn't really driveable because of no windshield but it could be driven up on a trailer to transport it?

Otherwise - she's looking for another pickup out west somewhere like Colorado and drive it home. She has a childhood friend on the west slope that she is flying out to see in a couple weeks. I suggested a 7.3 p/s this time if she wants another Ford. She found another 2002 in GJ with a 7.3, full crew cab, and short bed. She's talking about selling her camper.

[1976gmc20]

She sent me a link to this pickup for sale:

https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/c...267957042.html

She decided to sell her cabover camper but I told her that I think a 2500 would be better for towing a horse trailer. I must admit that the Dodge 5.7 is probably better than the GM 5.3 - eh?

[1976gmc20]

She's looking at this one:

https://westslope.craigslist.org/cto...279364436.html

This would be a 7.3, right ???

[1976gmc20]

She called on it and it's only a 6 liter diesel.

Are those any good at all ?????

[Rich84]

I believe those are the ones with the disappearing coolant. Something about the head bolts stretching. But I'm sure someone with a better memory then me can chime in.

[57taskforce]

Originally Posted by 1976gmc20

She called on it and it's only a 6 liter diesel.

Are those any good at all ?????

2002 is the last year for the 7.3. Run, they are total pos, along with the 6.4. The 7.3 and the newer 6.7 are much more reliable. The high pressure oil systems in the 6.0 and 6.4 are nothing but trouble. I’ve got one torn apart on for a friend as we speak. Head bolts as mentioned above are another problem, along with the egr cooler failing. By far on a stock engine the High pressure oil system is the big issue.

Fords procedure on doing heads and head bolts among other things is to pull the cab from the chassis.

[1976gmc20]

Originally Posted by 57taskforce

Run, they are total pos, along with the 6.4. The 7.3 and the newer 6.7 are much more reliable. The high pressure oil systems in the 6.0 and 6.4 are nothing but trouble. I’ve got one torn apart on for a friend as we speak. Head bolts as mentioned above are another problem, along with the egr cooler failing. By far on a stock engine the High pressure oil system is the big issue.

Fords procedure on doing heads and head bolts among other things is to pull the cab from the chassis.

I told her to pass on it.

If pulling the cab, might as well just move it over to her wrecked pickup, but too much money for that. Her V-10 is no great prize anyway.

She actually sent me a link to a single cab 1995 K2500 with 7.4 and a/t for only $4500. It has 239K but still she could put a lot of money in it for that. I told her that I would buy it for myself if it had a 5.7 and five speed

[1976gmc20]

https://westslope.craigslist.org/cto...279929774.html

Thoughts ???

[richard2717]

This is pretty much the exact truck i have been looking for other than the 2" body lift. Not sure why they needed that. The 8.1 is supposed to be close to the duramax diesel in numbers. I would not be afraid of it.