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Mapearso · 03-03-2015, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DANTIP

I couldn't help myself, I had to raise this again. Real (US-built) 1/2-ton 402-powered trucks in '72 must have the gross weight like the photo above. Notice the gross vehicle weight and front-end vehicle must be the same. This is due to a requirement in '72 for the 402-powered 1/2 ton trucks to have HD front and rear springs. The rear end gross weight must either be 3,220 or 3,500 depending on tire size.

What does "the gross vehicle weight and front-end vehicle must be the same" mean??? Can an original 1/2-ton 402-powered '72 truck be identified solely by the fact that rear end gross weight must either be 3,220 or 3,500?

**DANTIP** · 03-03-2015, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mapearso

What does "the gross vehicle weight and front-end vehicle must be the same" mean??? Can an original 1/2-ton 402-powered '72 truck be identified solely by the fact that rear end gross weight must either be 3,220 or 3,500?

The reason the maximum and front end gross weights are the same is due to the HD suspension and tires. You could order a 350-powered truck and get those weights. Therefore, a big-block 1/2-ton MUST have those weights, but a small block truck COULD have them. Small block trucks with these weights are very unusual (especially SWB trucks). The VAST majority of faked big-block truck builders either don't know this or they assume a future buyer will not know it. I'll bet the Ebay truck doesn't have the dual-exhaust brackets or the high-hump. Great looking truck but not an authentic truck as advertised!!!

**Already Gone** · 03-03-2015, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DANTIP

Just as suspected!! That is 100% a small-block truck!!

After I read your first post about the door jamb plate I called the seller and asked him to send me a pic of it and then I guess it must have posted it on the ad as well. I just learned something else about authenticating theses trucks so thanks for the tip. I still think this will a great driver for someone.

**DANTIP** · 03-03-2015, 06:19 PM

I become somewhere between annoyed and pissed when people pass-off a fake vehicle as an authentic. I sent the seller the following message;

Jeff, I'm not being an idiot, but the engine in that truck is NOT original. The gross weights shown in the VIN tag photo are consistent only with a small V-8 (307 or 350). The 402-powered 1/2 ton trucks all had higher gross weights. An unsuspecting buyer that learns this in the future may be very unhappy and may be able to file a claim through Ebay. If you have questions, you are welcome to call me at 260-437-0452. Dan

dubds10 · 03-03-2015, 06:22 PM

He posted more pics under description of the rearend, exhaust etc Too dark to see all details though.

**4X4GMC1972** · 03-03-2015, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DANTIP

I become somewhere between annoyed and pissed when people pass-off a fake vehicle as an authentic. I sent the seller the following message;

Jeff, I'm not being an idiot, but the engine in that truck is NOT original. The gross weights shown in the VIN tag photo are consistent only with a small V-8 (307 or 350). The 402-powered 1/2 ton trucks all had higher gross weights. An unsuspecting buyer that learns this in the future may be very unhappy and may be able to file a claim through Ebay. If you have questions, you are welcome to call me at 260-437-0452. Dan

I agree and went ahead and reported it to ebay as misrepresented because the listing says original 400 motor.

**Already Gone** · 03-03-2015, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 4X4GMC1972

I agree and went ahead and reported it to ebay as misrepresented because the listing says original 400 motor.

I wonder if Ebay will cancel the listing ?

MT1972cheyenne · 03-03-2015, 10:27 PM

Having owned trucks of this caliber, I can only say that he should be lifting his reserve with bids like he has. That is GOOD money for that truck. X2 on the shill bidding. Very nice truck though.

9teen69 · 03-03-2015, 11:16 PM

Super nice truck, sad they misrepresent it.

That's why I left my SPID original so my kids or grand kids can know it's original state.

**Already Gone** · 03-03-2015, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MT1972cheyenne

Having owned trucks of this caliber, I can only say that he should be lifting his reserve with bids like he has. That is GOOD money for that truck. X2 on the shill bidding. Very nice truck though.

A dealer is selling it, and they wont lift the reserve.

Mapearso · 03-04-2015, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 4X4GMC1972

I agree and went ahead and reported it to ebay as misrepresented because the listing says original 400 motor.

glad to see someone else did!

**leddzepp** · 03-04-2015, 07:37 PM

Final bid was $35,850

**4X4GMC1972** · 03-04-2015, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by leddzepp

Final bid was $35,850

Reserve not met. It might have ended early. The shill was probably high bidder.

**jocko** · 03-04-2015, 10:38 PM

perhaps he read this thread and ran for the hills. It was a nice truck, but I do agree that I wish folks didn't throw around words like "original" when it's clearly not the case.

**special-K** · 03-05-2015, 09:16 AM

It takes a lot to know if a truck is all original. If not for the combined knowledge of this website any one of us would be that guy listing a truck with a false claim (to those who know). You can get big money for an LSX powered shortbed with all kinds of modern stuff that never came on it, yet one done tastefully enough to appear as a factory built dream truck gets scrutinized over one detail. No, it's not a factory BBC Cheyenne Super SWB, but it's a damn nice truck and worth the range it seems to be in. A real one that nice would always be worth more. Just know what you're looking at and decide if you like it enough to pay the money. If you're an investor, please find another place to go

**leddzepp** · 03-05-2015, 12:30 PM

I know of a beautiful bagged 68 SWB that just sold for a lot more...and didn't even have a SPID

**lolife99** · 03-05-2015, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by leddzepp

I know of a beautiful bagged 68 SWB that just sold for a lot more...and didn't even have a SPID

I agree.^^^

meanmachine · 03-06-2015, 12:17 AM

Wow, what a truck!!!!

meanmachine · 03-06-2015, 12:18 AM

More!

meanmachine · 03-06-2015, 12:20 AM

Again

meanmachine · 03-06-2015, 12:21 AM

more

**leddzepp** · 03-06-2015, 12:21 AM

Man that is clean clean clean....

meanmachine · 03-06-2015, 12:26 AM

Big block 402 with a 400 tranny.

meanmachine · 03-06-2015, 12:27 AM

Your the man Leddzepp, have a great night!!

9teen69 · 03-06-2015, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by special-K

It takes a lot to know if a truck is all original. If not for the combined knowledge of this website any one of us would be that guy listing a truck with a false claim (to those who know). You can get big money for an LSX powered shortbed with all kinds of modern stuff that never came on it, yet one done tastefully enough to appear as a factory built dream truck gets scrutinized over one detail. No, it's not a factory BBC Cheyenne Super SWB, but it's a damn nice truck and worth the range it seems to be in. A real one that nice would always be worth more. Just know what you're looking at and decide if you like it enough to pay the money. If you're an investor, please find another place to go

Well put.

03-03-2015, 06:19 PM	#29
DANTIP Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana, USA Posts: 1,880	Re: eBay Cheyenne Super -- Another Fake SPID I become somewhere between annoyed and pissed when people pass-off a fake vehicle as an authentic. I sent the seller the following message; Jeff, I'm not being an idiot, but the engine in that truck is NOT original. The gross weights shown in the VIN tag photo are consistent only with a small V-8 (307 or 350). The 402-powered 1/2 ton trucks all had higher gross weights. An unsuspecting buyer that learns this in the future may be very unhappy and may be able to file a claim through Ebay. If you have questions, you are welcome to call me at 260-437-0452. Dan

03-03-2015, 06:22 PM	#30
dubds10 Stalker Nate Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Langley, BC, Canada Posts: 1,556	Re: eBay Cheyenne Super -- Another Fake SPID He posted more pics under description of the rearend, exhaust etc Too dark to see all details though. __________________ 1957 GMC SWB stepper modified summer time driver 1963 Chevy Fire Dept. Command Center Van 2 ton - future food vending truck project 1965 Chevy P10 Ice Cream Truck project Instagram - TheDonutDiner FaceBook - @UscreamIscream

03-03-2015, 10:27 PM	#33
MT1972cheyenne Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 223	Re: eBay Cheyenne Super -- Another Fake SPID Having owned trucks of this caliber, I can only say that he should be lifting his reserve with bids like he has. That is GOOD money for that truck. X2 on the shill bidding. Very nice truck though.

03-03-2015, 11:16 PM	#34
9teen69 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 1,048	Re: eBay Cheyenne Super -- Another Fake SPID Super nice truck, sad they misrepresent it. That's why I left my SPID original so my kids or grand kids can know it's original state. __________________ 72 Cheyenne SWB C10 (daily driver) (Super fake cause I just love the glovebox emblem) 70 Camaro RS (frame-off in pieces) 70 Camaro RS (daily driver backup) 69 Custom LWB C10 (son now drives)

03-04-2015, 07:37 PM	#37
leddzepp Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Southern Cal Posts: 19,981	Re: eBay Cheyenne Super -- Another Fake SPID Final bid was $35,850 __________________ 1972 C/10 Cheyenne Super SWB. Restored, loaded, slammed. 1968 C/10 50th Anniversary LWB. Unrestored, stock, daily driver/work truck. RIP ElJay RIP 67ChevyRedneck RIP Grumpy Old Man

03-04-2015, 10:38 PM	#39
jocko Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Godley, TX Posts: 17,933	Re: eBay Cheyenne Super -- Another Fake SPID perhaps he read this thread and ran for the hills. It was a nice truck, but I do agree that I wish folks didn't throw around words like "original" when it's clearly not the case.

03-05-2015, 09:16 AM	#40
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,863	Re: eBay Cheyenne Super -- Another Fake SPID It takes a lot to know if a truck is all original. If not for the combined knowledge of this website any one of us would be that guy listing a truck with a false claim (to those who know). You can get big money for an LSX powered shortbed with all kinds of modern stuff that never came on it, yet one done tastefully enough to appear as a factory built dream truck gets scrutinized over one detail. No, it's not a factory BBC Cheyenne Super SWB, but it's a damn nice truck and worth the range it seems to be in. A real one that nice would always be worth more. Just know what you're looking at and decide if you like it enough to pay the money. If you're an investor, please find another place to go __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

03-05-2015, 12:30 PM	#41
leddzepp Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Southern Cal Posts: 19,981	Re: eBay Cheyenne Super -- Another Fake SPID I know of a beautiful bagged 68 SWB that just sold for a lot more...and didn't even have a SPID __________________ 1972 C/10 Cheyenne Super SWB. Restored, loaded, slammed. 1968 C/10 50th Anniversary LWB. Unrestored, stock, daily driver/work truck. RIP ElJay RIP 67ChevyRedneck RIP Grumpy Old Man

03-06-2015, 12:17 AM	#43
meanmachine Registered User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Martinez, GA Posts: 6	Re: eBay Cheyenne Super -- Another Fake SPID Wow, what a truck!!!! Attached Images

03-06-2015, 12:18 AM	#44
meanmachine Registered User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Martinez, GA Posts: 6	Re: eBay Cheyenne Super -- Another Fake SPID More! Attached Images

03-06-2015, 12:20 AM	#45
meanmachine Registered User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Martinez, GA Posts: 6	Re: eBay Cheyenne Super -- Another Fake SPID Again Attached Images

03-06-2015, 12:21 AM	#46
meanmachine Registered User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Martinez, GA Posts: 6	Re: eBay Cheyenne Super -- Another Fake SPID more Attached Images

03-06-2015, 12:26 AM	#48
meanmachine Registered User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Martinez, GA Posts: 6	Re: eBay Cheyenne Super -- Another Fake SPID Big block 402 with a 400 tranny.

03-06-2015, 12:27 AM	#49
meanmachine Registered User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Martinez, GA Posts: 6	Re: eBay Cheyenne Super -- Another Fake SPID Your the man Leddzepp, have a great night!!



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