Battery Cable Question.

[Already Gone]

Did all the 67-72's come with top mount battery cables ?

[dave6672]

Both of my 72's are side mounted. My K20 I've had 32 years and was a one owner original truck when I got it so I don't think it's been changed from new. My C20 is a low mileage original, which I think is original as well. My 67, which I haven't had long, is top mounted.

[71CHEVYSHORTBED402]

Originally Posted by Already Gone

Did all the 67-72's come with top mount battery cables ?

No. 67-70 had the top post battery, I'm pretty sure. However, that doesn't mean a 71, the transition year only had a side post battery, because GM used up their old stock.

Seems to me top post batteries tend to have more corrosion. Could be wrong open to be corrected please, an indicator the 1971 had a top post battery is the negative cable's terminal doesn't have a ground wire that connects to the RH fender.

[Palf70Step]

Originally Posted by Already Gone

Did all the 67-72's come with top mount battery cables ?

I always thought they did. I didn't think side posts came into play until 73. But, I have never owned a 71 or 72 anything., so thy could have come before 73.

[Already Gone]

I asked because I'm in the middle ofa redo on my truck which was prety original to start with and ithas the side post calls. Wassold ne in July 1972 so thinking probably built in the early months of 1972 and maybe thats why it has the side post cables as they had run out of top post ones and used the side post ones for the last builds. Truck was built in Janesville.

[Accelo]

New Batteries for GM's '71s

August 1, 1970 • Staff •

Important new developments in the design and manufacture of lead-acid automotive batteries, that could well remove the battery as a principal passenger car and truck maintenance problem, have been announced by General Motors' Delco-Remy Division at Anderson, Indiana.

First, the division will supply as original equipment on about 80 percent of General Motors car divisions' 1971 model cars, the new Delco sealed side terminal (ST) battery. This new battery design was introduced by Delco-Remy in 1969, but has been available only in the after-market.

Also revealed by the GM Division is a new maintenance free battery which includes the sealed terminal design and, at the same time, incorporates important other new features. This latter battery will be a limited production unit and will be pioneered by the Pontiac Motor Division of GM on its 1971 Grand Prix SJ, and other models using the 455 cubic inch engine. Down the road, it is expected to be of far reaching significance to the battery industry.

Side Terminal Model

Most 1971 GM passenger cars and light trucks, as pointed out, will use the Energizer ST unit as original equipment. Seven models are available in three popular 12-volt group sizes and all can be adopted to fit most other passenger cars and light trucks with the simple installation of an adaptor which attaches to existing battery cables, or by installation of new ST battery cables.

The new side terminal construction with the sealed terminal connections is unique in the battery industry, with design and manufacturing concepts that, at this point, have not been adopted by any other battery manufacturer. GM's large Chevrolet Division will go to this new Energizer "across the board" with its 1971 line of cars including a specially designed unit for the new Vega 2300.

Electrical terminals are recessed in the side wall of the battery, and are completely sealed when the cables are attached. Terminals on a conventional battery, located at each end of its top cover, are subject to corrosion buildup as a result of moisture, road splash, electrolyte spillage or spewing, and chemical gases emitted by the battery through the vent plugs. In their new location as the Energizer ST, terminals are protected from these conditions and the resulting power loss and poor connections.

Design and construction of the new component's cable connections make it possible for them to stay clean and tight indefinitely and to make available at all times "full power burst" from the battery to the vehicle electrical system. At the same time, the new Energizer ST has the ability to maintain a high state of charge because the improved terminal connections help to keep the battery's charge acceptance from the generator at a maximum by elimination of harmful resistances.

Importance of the new design concept is underscored by the fact that sound, healthy batteries often are blamed for faulty cranking ability when the real culprit is power-robbing corrosion at the cable terminal clamps. Often this corrosion under the clamps cannot be visually detected. Under conditions of corrosion with resulting poor conditions, no matter how much power is in the battery, good cranking performance becomes impossible.

Other advantages of the new Energizer ST are improved under-hood appearance and foolproof terminal connections during installation. The latter is accomplished with the use of different size connection studs and color coded cable ends.

Maintenance-Free Model

In the maintenance-free model, which will be a Pontiac exclusive in 1971, entirely new grid plate materials and new manufacturing techniques insure a sealing-in of a lifetime supply of electrolyte. This eliminates the need for periodic inspection and the addition of water. At the same time, the sealed terminal construction of the battery eliminates problems usually associated with terminal corrosion, thus making it free of the normal maintenance requirements of a conventional unit. In addition, self-discharge of the battery when not in use for long periods of time is also diminished.

Consequently, this new power source represents a major step in minimizing potential battery failure through overfilling, under-filling, contamination and faulty terminal connections.

As with a number of Pontiac "firsts" this will doubtless be in demand in the other GM divisions once its value has been tested. And in terms of the fleet market, it should stimulate a great demand once Delco-Remy has made it available for the general auto aftermarket.

[72SB]

My 72 has a 78 series (side post) battery. If it didn't I would have swapped to one. IMHO use #2 size cables

I have 3 hobby cars, all have a 78 series side post battery

[Stocker]

I bought my '72 in 1977 (so nearly mint ) and it had a side post battery. Still does. Not the same battery though...

Accelo -- lots of good info right there!

[Already Gone]

Originally Posted by Accelo

New Batteries for GM's '71s

August 1, 1970 • Staff •

Important new developments in the design and manufacture of lead-acid automotive batteries, that could well remove the battery as a principal passenger car and truck maintenance problem, have been announced by General Motors' Delco-Remy Division at Anderson, Indiana.

First, the division will supply as original equipment on about 80 percent of General Motors car divisions' 1971 model cars, the new Delco sealed side terminal (ST) battery. This new battery design was introduced by Delco-Remy in 1969, but has been available only in the after-market.

Also revealed by the GM Division is a new maintenance free battery which includes the sealed terminal design and, at the same time, incorporates important other new features. This latter battery will be a limited production unit and will be pioneered by the Pontiac Motor Division of GM on its 1971 Grand Prix SJ, and other models using the 455 cubic inch engine. Down the road, it is expected to be of far reaching significance to the battery industry.

Side Terminal Model

Most 1971 GM passenger cars and light trucks, as pointed out, will use the Energizer ST unit as original equipment. Seven models are available in three popular 12-volt group sizes and all can be adopted to fit most other passenger cars and light trucks with the simple installation of an adaptor which attaches to existing battery cables, or by installation of new ST battery cables.

The new side terminal construction with the sealed terminal connections is unique in the battery industry, with design and manufacturing concepts that, at this point, have not been adopted by any other battery manufacturer. GM's large Chevrolet Division will go to this new Energizer "across the board" with its 1971 line of cars including a specially designed unit for the new Vega 2300.

Electrical terminals are recessed in the side wall of the battery, and are completely sealed when the cables are attached. Terminals on a conventional battery, located at each end of its top cover, are subject to corrosion buildup as a result of moisture, road splash, electrolyte spillage or spewing, and chemical gases emitted by the battery through the vent plugs. In their new location as the Energizer ST, terminals are protected from these conditions and the resulting power loss and poor connections.

Design and construction of the new component's cable connections make it possible for them to stay clean and tight indefinitely and to make available at all times "full power burst" from the battery to the vehicle electrical system. At the same time, the new Energizer ST has the ability to maintain a high state of charge because the improved terminal connections help to keep the battery's charge acceptance from the generator at a maximum by elimination of harmful resistances.

Importance of the new design concept is underscored by the fact that sound, healthy batteries often are blamed for faulty cranking ability when the real culprit is power-robbing corrosion at the cable terminal clamps. Often this corrosion under the clamps cannot be visually detected. Under conditions of corrosion with resulting poor conditions, no matter how much power is in the battery, good cranking performance becomes impossible.

Other advantages of the new Energizer ST are improved under-hood appearance and foolproof terminal connections during installation. The latter is accomplished with the use of different size connection studs and color coded cable ends.

Maintenance-Free Model

In the maintenance-free model, which will be a Pontiac exclusive in 1971, entirely new grid plate materials and new manufacturing techniques insure a sealing-in of a lifetime supply of electrolyte. This eliminates the need for periodic inspection and the addition of water. At the same time, the sealed terminal construction of the battery eliminates problems usually associated with terminal corrosion, thus making it free of the normal maintenance requirements of a conventional unit. In addition, self-discharge of the battery when not in use for long periods of time is also diminished.

Consequently, this new power source represents a major step in minimizing potential battery failure through overfilling, under-filling, contamination and faulty terminal connections.

As with a number of Pontiac "firsts" this will doubtless be in demand in the other GM divisions once its value has been tested. And in terms of the fleet market, it should stimulate a great demand once Delco-Remy has made it available for the general auto aftermarket.

Thanks, looks like I got my answer.

[ghackett1]

My 68 is top post

[palallin]

Sorry: anyone who says that ST batts are not subject to corrosion is listening to too much manufacturer propaganda. They do corrode, and the corrosion is much more difficult to deal with thanks to the much smaller contact surface. Further, the lead screws distort easily, and using jumper cables with them ranges from difficult to impossible.

I much prefer top terminal. A little "maintenance" is absolutely worthwhile to avoid side terminals.

The origin of ST batts is a function of lower hood lines and subsequent vertical crowding of the area where the batt is.

[72SB]

I have never found any issue jumping a SP battery. SB battery do not have the vented caps on top that do leak. C10 battery trays with top post were chronic exposed to battery acid...along with the bottom front of fender with top post battery. YMMV

[54blackhornet]

The only way a side post battery will form corrosion is by having an alternator over charging issue.

[Stocker]

FWIW, I have owned my K20 for nearly 46 years and never had an issue with side post battery terminal corrosion.

Also, I have probably hooked up jumper cables more times than I can count on my fingers and toes.

[71CHEVYSHORTBED402]

Originally Posted by 72SB

I have never found any issue jumping a SP battery. SB battery do not have the vented caps on top that do leak. C10 battery trays with top post were chronic exposed to battery acid...along with the bottom front of fender with top post battery. YMMV

My 72 Super had a side post battery. Despite the body having rust the box was great, and the support and fender escaped corrosion. My 71 had a top post. Despite the truck being rust free the battery box was toast and the support's floor pitted. Accelo's post is very cool.