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70c10 · 09-12-2002, 11:05 PM

I am installing a new steering wheel and can't figure out how to hook up the horn. My column is from a 67' or 68'. Here is a pic of my cancel cam. I have 2 questions. First, how does this cam cancel my blinker because it has never worked since owning the truck. Second, how do I get the brass plunger supplied with the kit to make contact with the brass plunger in the column. (The second pic shows they are offset from each other). Thanks

70c10 · 09-12-2002, 11:08 PM

Here is the pic showing how the 2 plungers don't line up.

*Zkast* · 09-12-2002, 11:31 PM

Where is your horn ring/canceller?

There is a plastic piece with a brass ring and 2 notches that cancel the turn signal cam and ride on that brass plunger.

In order, Spring/horn ring/adapter/grant cover/wheel/horn adapter plate/horn cover.

barn9 · 09-12-2002, 11:44 PM

All I can tell you, and it's just my opinion, is that Grant's horn kit is the sorriest piece of crap in the universe!! Oh, and by the way, their customer service department is a mis-named, albeit non-existent entity! Guess what I think about Grant?

70c10 · 09-12-2002, 11:50 PM

Zkast,
Are you talking about this piece? I think these were used on 70' and newer. I hope this is my problem. The black piece in my first pic is called the turn signal cancel cam. I just replaced it tonight with a white one.

WHYBYNU · 09-13-2002, 12:05 AM

I agree grant wheels are the worst at making the horn work right I gave up and put a button under the dash, works great and can't be seen wish I'd done it sooner instead of fussing with the horn crap that came with the wheel! My .02

*Zkast* · 09-13-2002, 01:44 AM

lol Barn, tell us how you really feel about Grant

I agree with the horn setup. I had to fabricate a spacer, grind the horn ring down a bit and grind a bit off the spacer to get mine to work right. If you go by their kit, it either works (ALL THE TIME and wont shut off) or it doesnt work at all.

It's all in the design of the adapter plate.

Suicide-D · 09-13-2002, 09:46 AM

I agree about the horn... I don't even bother anymore... I just run an extra button under the dash. I love how the horn button pops lose about once or twice a week also, gives me something to fix.... like I needed more....

Mike C · 09-13-2002, 10:45 AM

All of the steering columns should have the canceller/horn contact. I would not buy a grant wheel but spend your money on an OEM wheel. I have had 4 or 5 so I am experienced with there quirks. I have one of their aluminum/leather wheels with the billet adapter in my 240Z and it is pretty nice, but it is also a different style of canceller than the GM setup. It was also expensiv. The wheel and kit were $175 if I remember correcty ($125 for the wheel and $50 for the kit) There is a 70's camaro 4 spoke wheel that looks nice (also in Vega and Monza) I have one in my Jimmy. It is reasonably sporty and the later ones have a faux weave molded in. (78-81 or so) I would go with the '69 camaro comfort grip wheel with a 68 Camaro install kit (same diameter as truck column, 69 is slightly larger but will work.) The wheel is an inch or so smaller in diameter than the truck wheel. Black rubber grip with 3 polished aluminum spokes. Muscle Factory has the complete kit with new canceller/contact for $150. (or they did) Ricks First Gen, Year One and Classic Camaro (Classic Industries) are also sources but Muscle Factory was cheapest when I bought mine. Nothing like genuine GM parts! (or at least reproductions...) Nice thing about this wheel is it allows good viewing of the instrument panel.

barn9 · 09-13-2002, 11:16 AM

OK, I'll fess up. My horn button is under the dash also.

GRANT SUCKS!!

And that's how I really feel, he-hee!

Fred T · 09-13-2002, 11:31 AM

70c10
You're right about the part you need. Brass plunger goes into the nipple and contacts the brass on the horn ring, which contacts the brush in your column. The horn ring in my 69 didn't mate properly with the hub in the kit. Had a shoulder on the hub and a shoulder on the horn ring that interfered and the hub wouldn't seat on the steering shaft. Machined off both shoulders and trimmed .2" off the post cover. This could be done with a disk sander or file. The wheel was bought by the p.o., so I made it fit.

Brad · 09-13-2002, 01:28 PM

Grant adaptor kits can be a pain, but I had a friend show me how to get them in correctly and mine works great. There really is a trick in getting them to work well. It's also hard to explain. Maybe I should do a write up on this also...

09-12-2002, 11:05 PM	#1
70c10 67-72 Addict! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The TAX State! Posts: 7,857	Grant Challenger Steering Wheels I am installing a new steering wheel and can't figure out how to hook up the horn. My column is from a 67' or 68'. Here is a pic of my cancel cam. I have 2 questions. First, how does this cam cancel my blinker because it has never worked since owning the truck. Second, how do I get the brass plunger supplied with the kit to make contact with the brass plunger in the column. (The second pic shows they are offset from each other). Thanks Attached Images __________________ Jim 1970 C/10 Fleetside w/Ghost Flames Lowered 4.5" front and 4" rear (Raked) 355/350 Turbo w/shift kit 10" Redneck Performance Verter w/2500 stall Hooker Super Comps part#2808-1 Performer RPM Air-Gap 12 Bolt w/3:73 gears- Eaton Posi Comp Cams XE262 with 1.6 Crane Energizers, Road Demon 625 and Brodix IK 180 heads

09-12-2002, 11:08 PM	#2
70c10 67-72 Addict! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The TAX State! Posts: 7,857	Second Pic Here is the pic showing how the 2 plungers don't line up. Attached Images __________________ Jim 1970 C/10 Fleetside w/Ghost Flames Lowered 4.5" front and 4" rear (Raked) 355/350 Turbo w/shift kit 10" Redneck Performance Verter w/2500 stall Hooker Super Comps part#2808-1 Performer RPM Air-Gap 12 Bolt w/3:73 gears- Eaton Posi Comp Cams XE262 with 1.6 Crane Energizers, Road Demon 625 and Brodix IK 180 heads

09-12-2002, 11:44 PM	#4
barn9 Half a bubble off! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Winfield, Ks, USA Posts: 5,588	All I can tell you, and it's just my opinion, is that Grant's horn kit is the sorriest piece of crap in the universe!! Oh, and by the way, their customer service department is a mis-named, albeit non-existent entity! Guess what I think about Grant? __________________ Just call me LB. '71 Cheyenne, 402BB, hauls blondes, brunettes, or redheads.

09-12-2002, 11:50 PM	#5
70c10 67-72 Addict! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The TAX State! Posts: 7,857	Zkast, Are you talking about this piece? I think these were used on 70' and newer. I hope this is my problem. The black piece in my first pic is called the turn signal cancel cam. I just replaced it tonight with a white one. Attached Images __________________ Jim 1970 C/10 Fleetside w/Ghost Flames Lowered 4.5" front and 4" rear (Raked) 355/350 Turbo w/shift kit 10" Redneck Performance Verter w/2500 stall Hooker Super Comps part#2808-1 Performer RPM Air-Gap 12 Bolt w/3:73 gears- Eaton Posi Comp Cams XE262 with 1.6 Crane Energizers, Road Demon 625 and Brodix IK 180 heads

09-13-2002, 12:05 AM	#6
WHYBYNU WHYBYNU when old will do Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Hot Springs, AR. Posts: 643	I agree grant wheels are the worst at making the horn work right I gave up and put a button under the dash, works great and can't be seen wish I'd done it sooner instead of fussing with the horn crap that came with the wheel! My .02 __________________ 71 Cheyenne super 2 tone green and white ZZ6 - Th350 4/6 drop 20x8.5 / 20x10 Billet Specialties

09-12-2002, 11:31 PM	#3
Zkast Account Suspended Join Date: May 2002 Location: Olathe, Kansas Posts: 929	Where is your horn ring/canceller? There is a plastic piece with a brass ring and 2 notches that cancel the turn signal cam and ride on that brass plunger. In order, Spring/horn ring/adapter/grant cover/wheel/horn adapter plate/horn cover.

09-13-2002, 01:44 AM	#7
Zkast Account Suspended Join Date: May 2002 Location: Olathe, Kansas Posts: 929	lol Barn, tell us how you really feel about Grant I agree with the horn setup. I had to fabricate a spacer, grind the horn ring down a bit and grind a bit off the spacer to get mine to work right. If you go by their kit, it either works (ALL THE TIME and wont shut off) or it doesnt work at all. It's all in the design of the adapter plate.

09-13-2002, 09:46 AM	#8
Suicide-D Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Katy, TX...but the love of my life resides in Dublin,OH. Posts: 1,408	I agree about the horn... I don't even bother anymore... I just run an extra button under the dash. I love how the horn button pops lose about once or twice a week also, gives me something to fix.... like I needed more....

09-13-2002, 10:45 AM	#9
Mike C Registered User Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Austin, TX, USA Posts: 7,714	All of the steering columns should have the canceller/horn contact. I would not buy a grant wheel but spend your money on an OEM wheel. I have had 4 or 5 so I am experienced with there quirks. I have one of their aluminum/leather wheels with the billet adapter in my 240Z and it is pretty nice, but it is also a different style of canceller than the GM setup. It was also expensiv. The wheel and kit were $175 if I remember correcty ($125 for the wheel and $50 for the kit) There is a 70's camaro 4 spoke wheel that looks nice (also in Vega and Monza) I have one in my Jimmy. It is reasonably sporty and the later ones have a faux weave molded in. (78-81 or so) I would go with the '69 camaro comfort grip wheel with a 68 Camaro install kit (same diameter as truck column, 69 is slightly larger but will work.) The wheel is an inch or so smaller in diameter than the truck wheel. Black rubber grip with 3 polished aluminum spokes. Muscle Factory has the complete kit with new canceller/contact for $150. (or they did) Ricks First Gen, Year One and Classic Camaro (Classic Industries) are also sources but Muscle Factory was cheapest when I bought mine. Nothing like genuine GM parts! (or at least reproductions...) Nice thing about this wheel is it allows good viewing of the instrument panel. __________________ 44 Willys MB 52 M38A1 64 Corvette Coupe 68 Camaro 'vert LT1 & TH700 69 Z/28 355 12.6's @110 69 Chevy Short Step 4 1/2"/7" drop 72 Jimmy 4WD 4spd 4" & 35's 02 GMC 2500HD 4x4 Duramax

09-13-2002, 11:16 AM	#10
barn9 Half a bubble off! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Winfield, Ks, USA Posts: 5,588	OK, I'll fess up. My horn button is under the dash also. GRANT SUCKS!! And that's how I really feel, he-hee! __________________ Just call me LB. '71 Cheyenne, 402BB, hauls blondes, brunettes, or redheads.

09-13-2002, 11:31 AM	#11
Fred T Cantankerous Geezer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bel Aire, KS Posts: 6,264	70c10 You're right about the part you need. Brass plunger goes into the nipple and contacts the brass on the horn ring, which contacts the brush in your column. The horn ring in my 69 didn't mate properly with the hub in the kit. Had a shoulder on the hub and a shoulder on the horn ring that interfered and the hub wouldn't seat on the steering shaft. Machined off both shoulders and trimmed .2" off the post cover. This could be done with a disk sander or file. The wheel was bought by the p.o., so I made it fit. __________________ Fred There is no such thing as too much cam...just not enough engine.

09-13-2002, 01:28 PM	#12
Brad Out of the carpool lane. Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Clark Co, WA Posts: 5,673	Grant adaptor kits can be a pain, but I had a friend show me how to get them in correctly and mine works great. There really is a trick in getting them to work well. It's also hard to explain. Maybe I should do a write up on this also... __________________ 1968 C-10 SWB, 5.7 Vortec/700R4/3.73 posi, Torch Red 1968 Camaro, 250/Powerglide, all original (No, I'm not gonna drop a 350 in it!...Jeez!) 2000 Honda VFR in the faster yellow! 2008 Husqvarna TE-610 1967 C-10 SWB 'Six Appeal'-Gone but not forgotten...



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