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jugadro · 04-22-2005, 03:25 PM

OK,
So I have a Black 1970 K20 4X4 with a 402 BBC and a TH350 (I think).

I need to buy some stuff for the truck; U-joints, brakes, diff gaskets, etc. However, the VIN# decodes it as a 1970 2wd step-side, and it's making it difficult to get correct parts. I'm also trying to figure out what I have for axles, and eventually gears.
I did find a number stamped on the frame by the power steering pump - 0J125115.
I've tried looking for identification help but couldn't find much of anything.

Judging by illustrations in LMC catalogs, I'm wondering if it is sitting on a '73-87 frame? This is beginning to drive me

.

I'll have photos of the underside soon, until then any knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

jugadro · 04-22-2005, 03:48 PM

OK, here are some pics of my truck...
Sorry about their hugeness!

Front end;

Rear end;

Transfer case (NP?);

bouncytruck · 04-22-2005, 04:15 PM

The transfer case looks like a NP205 to me. NP203's look similar, but the 205 has the small cover with the three bolts.

Here is a link to an axle guide.
http://coloradok5.com/axleguide.shtml

**CUSTOM/10** · 04-22-2005, 04:24 PM

From the pic's I would say it probably is a 70 3/4 ton frame. The previous owner probably changed the cab at some time hence the #s not matching. The front end is a dana 44, and the rear is an eaton. It looks like the ID tag is still on the front diff. ( Tag is under the lower left hand bolt of the front diff cover ) This tag will tell you your gear ratio. Other board members will most likely have additional input for you.

Gary

drink2mny · 04-22-2005, 10:04 PM

I definately will agree with the above guys...
205 transfercase
Dana 44 basically 73-up frontend
Eaton third member- 72- down

jugadro · 04-22-2005, 10:37 PM

I also thought it was a '70 3/4 ton until I tried to buy U-joints and brakes. Did later models have this same axle setup?

I sure would be happy if it was a 70, but the steering setup looked like a '73+ based on LMC catalog illustrations.

XLR8N · 04-23-2005, 09:40 AM

i found out that 67-72 front springs are 42'' from eye to eye and 73-77 springs are 47'' eye to eye. i ordered a lift kit and it did not fit-found out i had a 73 frame. frame was also stamped below the dr door with a build date. hope it helps

XLR8N · 04-23-2005, 09:46 AM

p.s. the rear looks pre 73 due to square u-bolts that bolt from the bottom and rear shocks are not staggered. later model trucks had rounded u bolts that bolt on top and one shock mounts front and one shock mounts rear on the axle. thats all i got

**CUSTOM/10** · 04-23-2005, 09:59 AM

The frame it's self appears to be 67-72 due to the cab mounting to it correctly. If it was a later modle frame the frame cab mounts would have to have been modified and they look stock.

Later modle trucks also had dana 44 front ends, but they changed the rear ends ( I believe in 73 ) to corperate 14 bolt. You could take your old brake pads & axle joint to the parts store and have then match them up.

Gary

jugadro · 04-23-2005, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bouncytruck

Here is a link to an axle guide.
http://coloradok5.com/axleguide.shtml

Thanks! - that is one handy link!

Beast388 · 04-23-2005, 11:19 AM

I'll agree with what the other have said. It looks like the chassis is original with the exception of the front axle. It is a Dana 44, but appears to be a 1977-79 version. The giveaway is the non-flat top knuckles and the fact that the tie-rod mounts from the underside of the knuckles. The 1976 and older D44's had tie-rods that mount from the top down.

When buying brakes, the rotors, pads and calipers are interchangeable from 71-79 on the 8-lug D44's.

You should be able to find the BOM (bill of materials) number on the front of the driver's side axle tube. Then go here to find all the info about the axle.

Hoods69BadBowTie · 04-23-2005, 10:54 PM

Yeah, that is a 205 transfer case. 67-72 frame maybe?
Bouncy thanx for posting that axle id webpage.
-Later

Rod · 04-28-2005, 11:31 AM

Everything I can see here leads to a 1970 3/4 ton 4x4 frame and suspension.

The front diff has had at least the outside locking hubs changed.....it appears to be disc brake and 1970 had an open dana 44 front with drum brakes..making it the only year that could be changed to disc up front by changing backing plates outward. So someone either changed the brake system to disc on the outside of the diff or swapped in a newer dana 44 that being a 71- about 78 era dana 44 front. A pic of the hubs would be more clues to what year vintage the outside for the disc brake system is. Beast388 may be right on the dana 44 77-79 era..I never noticed which way the tie rod went..my 1970 have them top down...it also has flat top knuckles...in my 70 drum brake dana 44..so I'd say 1970 is the starting year of flat top.

From what you posted of the frame stamped vin its a 1970 frame built in Janesville.
Simple enough if you know what your looking at.

The transfer case is part time NP 205 ,..correct for year also and has correct style outputs from what I see.
The rear is a eaton/ corp 10 bolt style diff cover..also correct. I'd say proabby 4.57 gears ..the front tag on the front dana 44 (which it is) will more give you a ratio close to that..they werent exactly same ratio...off by a bit for handling and steering. Regardles its 4.10 or 4.57..no other choices practically. I'd bet on 4.57 in 1970.

Just looking at what I see like fan shrouds and brackets I recognize...its a 70. I'd probably know. I dream this stuff sometimes.

jugadro · 04-28-2005, 11:59 AM

Wow, so I may not be up the creek as far as I thought I was. I was worried that getting parts was going to be a nightmare. It seems as though the diagrams in the LMC parts catalog may not be entirely accurate or correct. Or perhaps they just failed to show all of the different setups that were built.

Do any of you recommend any other part catalogs / sources for these old beasts. I'm fairly new at having a truck this old and so far I've only dealt with LMC.

Thanks for all of the help - I'm gonna go buy some brakes - And take some hub pictures while I'm at it - And maybe replace the U-joints while I have it apart.

geunther · 04-28-2005, 04:56 PM

I have found the lmc and other books get a little sloppy. Especially as far as what pictures they show with part numbers. It makes it confusing becuase I have ordered what I know to be the correct part # but the picture is something completely different.

Cross member under oil pan also strongly suggests pre 73 frame. Not sure about axle itself but lack of factory mount for steering stabalizer (hole in tie rod) indicateds pre 73 for that part. not sure of exact year that was introduced but know it was after 72.

Agree with others posts also, np205 etc.

jugadro · 09-02-2005, 10:57 AM

OK, I just finished my brakes and here's what I have found so far (albeit accurate or not):

Both axles have 8-lug hubs.

FRONT AXLE
Tag numbers:
45-11
4.09
Stamped numbers:
3
C-31256
44-5P

Springs - about 43-44" eye to eye

I ordered brake pads for a '77 3/4 ton and they worked great.

REAR AXLE
Tag:
none
Stamped Numbers:
3934635
(then a wagon wheel looking thingie)
D

I ordered brake shoes for a '70 P30 with 12" drums (2" wide shoes) and they were identical to what was on it. We spent extensive time looking in the thick reference guide at the auto parts store and he believes the rear axle is that of a '46-'70 P-series 1 ton.

I'm getting there... slowly.

Thanks for all your help!

*72longbed* · 09-11-2005, 08:54 AM

Thats an HO72 Rear. As far as I can tell from the pics, the front axle is a 'flat top' D44. Pics taken closer to the upper ball joint area would help more.

Looks good.

72longbed

**special-K** · 09-13-2005, 09:51 AM

When do we get pictures of this Bast....er mutt?That`s not such a mutt after all.

jugadro · 12-11-2005, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by special-K

When do we get pictures of this Bast....er mutt?That`s not such a mutt after all.

Well here is a pic taken last year. Unfortunately the winter salt is beginning it's destructive cancerous toll on the truck. I'm seeing little bubbles multiplying like wet gremlins.

Too bad they don't make a POR15 truck dip...
Or maybe I'll spray the entire truck with Rhino Linings - heheh.

**Yukon Jack** · 12-12-2005, 12:55 PM

It's a great looking truck.

budbeater · 12-12-2005, 03:32 PM

The back axle is a Eaton HO52. I believe the HO72 was a one ton and/or dually model. The gearing for the Eaton was 4.10, 4.56 or 5.13. You might want to start saving $$$ for a disk conversion for the rear or a 14 bolt swap since the 12" drum parts (drums and wheel cylinders) are unavaliable for the Eaton anymore. The good thing is that the Eaton is a full float axle and the axle shafts are wicked tough.

Budbeater

jugadro · 12-13-2005, 01:27 AM

Hmmm... a disc brake conversion sounds sweet - where do I find info on this. I was considering getting wheel spacers too. My front wheels are 3 or 4 inches farther apart than my rear wheels, and I'm not sure I like the way it looks (is there any reason for that anyway?).
Here's a pic of my rear hub if it is any consolation;

Oh yeah - Yukon, I checked out your site. Nice work! I also checked out your links - I'm really interested in this twin shift setup for the NP205:
http://www.offroaddesign.com/catalog...seshifters.htm

Anyway, there's only so much money in my wallet.

**'68OrangeSunshine** · 12-13-2005, 07:24 AM

Frame VINs tend to drop off the first 5 digits [since who knows what kind of equipment is called for on the build sheet?], but "0J" might be significant numbers. 0 [zero] for 1970, and "J" for the Janesville plant. The other six digits are the consecutive serial number.

jugadro · 04-10-2006, 07:09 PM

Does anybody reccommend any rear disc conversions?

69k5 · 04-11-2006, 02:39 PM

any 14 bolt rear disc conversion will work and its real easy to do. you will loose parking break pending cadillac calipers or a driveline break. I bought mine from a guy on coloradok5.com . he is a good guy I want to say my brackets were 65.00. the d44 front calipers were $5.oo at the local junkyard. there are people that sell them on ebay about the same price.I have an eaton in my truck and love it but I have to find another one to replace it. I ruined my housing but everything inside survived.

04-22-2005, 03:25 PM	#1
jugadro that's right! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Topsham, ME, USA Posts: 101	Need Help Identifying 4x4 Puzzle truck! OK, So I have a Black 1970 K20 4X4 with a 402 BBC and a TH350 (I think). I need to buy some stuff for the truck; U-joints, brakes, diff gaskets, etc. However, the VIN# decodes it as a 1970 2wd step-side, and it's making it difficult to get correct parts. I'm also trying to figure out what I have for axles, and eventually gears. I did find a number stamped on the frame by the power steering pump - 0J125115. I've tried looking for identification help but couldn't find much of anything. Judging by illustrations in LMC catalogs, I'm wondering if it is sitting on a '73-87 frame? This is beginning to drive me . I'll have photos of the underside soon, until then any knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. __________________ 70-K20-4X4

04-22-2005, 03:48 PM	#2
jugadro that's right! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Topsham, ME, USA Posts: 101	Photos... OK, here are some pics of my truck... Sorry about their hugeness! Front end; Rear end; Transfer case (NP?); __________________ 70-K20-4X4 Last edited by jugadro; 05-06-2006 at 03:03 PM.

04-22-2005, 04:15 PM	#3
bouncytruck SKINNY TIRES RULE! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bothell, WA Posts: 11,049	The transfer case looks like a NP205 to me. NP203's look similar, but the 205 has the small cover with the three bolts. Here is a link to an axle guide. http://coloradok5.com/axleguide.shtml __________________ bouncytruck 1972 K5 The Hauler 1994 K1500 Suburban The Daily2010 Kia Soul Wife's Ride2014 Fiat 500L

04-22-2005, 04:24 PM	#4
CUSTOM/10 Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sandown, NH Posts: 2,796	70 ? From the pic's I would say it probably is a 70 3/4 ton frame. The previous owner probably changed the cab at some time hence the #s not matching. The front end is a dana 44, and the rear is an eaton. It looks like the ID tag is still on the front diff. ( Tag is under the lower left hand bolt of the front diff cover ) This tag will tell you your gear ratio. Other board members will most likely have additional input for you. Gary __________________ Gary 72 SWB 4x4 My 72 SWB Build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=259859

04-22-2005, 10:04 PM	#5
drink2mny Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: spokane wa Posts: 2,189	I definately will agree with the above guys... 205 transfercase Dana 44 basically 73-up frontend Eaton third member- 72- down __________________ Support The Board

04-22-2005, 10:37 PM	#6
jugadro that's right! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Topsham, ME, USA Posts: 101	I also thought it was a '70 3/4 ton until I tried to buy U-joints and brakes. Did later models have this same axle setup? I sure would be happy if it was a 70, but the steering setup looked like a '73+ based on LMC catalog illustrations. __________________ 70-K20-4X4

04-23-2005, 09:40 AM	#7
XLR8N Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: SARASOTA,FLORIDA Posts: 67	i found out that 67-72 front springs are 42'' from eye to eye and 73-77 springs are 47'' eye to eye. i ordered a lift kit and it did not fit-found out i had a 73 frame. frame was also stamped below the dr door with a build date. hope it helps __________________ The Garage 1970 stepside 4 x 4 2005 caddy deville 1998 dodge 2500 diesel 2006 h-d street glide 1948 h-d rigid

04-23-2005, 09:46 AM	#8
XLR8N Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: SARASOTA,FLORIDA Posts: 67	p.s. the rear looks pre 73 due to square u-bolts that bolt from the bottom and rear shocks are not staggered. later model trucks had rounded u bolts that bolt on top and one shock mounts front and one shock mounts rear on the axle. thats all i got __________________ The Garage 1970 stepside 4 x 4 2005 caddy deville 1998 dodge 2500 diesel 2006 h-d street glide 1948 h-d rigid

04-23-2005, 09:59 AM	#9
CUSTOM/10 Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sandown, NH Posts: 2,796	Frame The frame it's self appears to be 67-72 due to the cab mounting to it correctly. If it was a later modle frame the frame cab mounts would have to have been modified and they look stock. Later modle trucks also had dana 44 front ends, but they changed the rear ends ( I believe in 73 ) to corperate 14 bolt. You could take your old brake pads & axle joint to the parts store and have then match them up. Gary __________________ Gary 72 SWB 4x4 My 72 SWB Build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=259859 Last edited by CUSTOM/10; 04-23-2005 at 10:04 AM.

04-23-2005, 11:19 AM	#11
Beast388 Suburbans RULE! Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Clinton, IA 52732 Posts: 689	I'll agree with what the other have said. It looks like the chassis is original with the exception of the front axle. It is a Dana 44, but appears to be a 1977-79 version. The giveaway is the non-flat top knuckles and the fact that the tie-rod mounts from the underside of the knuckles. The 1976 and older D44's had tie-rods that mount from the top down. When buying brakes, the rotors, pads and calipers are interchangeable from 71-79 on the 8-lug D44's. You should be able to find the BOM (bill of materials) number on the front of the driver's side axle tube. Then go here to find all the info about the axle. __________________ --Ben 71 GMC Suburban 4X4 The "Beast" 388 CID Stroker, TH350, NP205, 8-lug D44, 14BFF w/ Detroit, 4.10:1 gears, 4-Wheel Disks 4" Lift, 35" MT/R's.

04-23-2005, 10:54 PM	#12
Hoods69BadBowTie Chevys Kick A$$ Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Zootown, MT Posts: 12,699	Yeah, that is a 205 transfer case. 67-72 frame maybe? Bouncy thanx for posting that axle id webpage. -Later __________________ HOODS is what I answer too -'79, '77, '88 Pickup Sold, '85 Camaro, '83 T/A, '81,'83,'90 K5 Blazer All Sold -'79 3/4 ton "Big Yellow Bananna" Lifted 4spd. 39.5 TSL Swampers, The money Pit -'86 K5 Blazer Silverado 6.2 4" lift 35"s -'95 Ext. Cab Shorty 4" Tuff Country rolling 35" M/T's -'83 Monte Carlo T-Tops. 126,500 Original Miles -LATER I would rather push a Chevy then drive a ford!!

04-28-2005, 11:31 AM	#13
Rod Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Eastern - Manitoba Canada, Winnipeg Posts: 4,369	Everything I can see here leads to a 1970 3/4 ton 4x4 frame and suspension. The front diff has had at least the outside locking hubs changed.....it appears to be disc brake and 1970 had an open dana 44 front with drum brakes..making it the only year that could be changed to disc up front by changing backing plates outward. So someone either changed the brake system to disc on the outside of the diff or swapped in a newer dana 44 that being a 71- about 78 era dana 44 front. A pic of the hubs would be more clues to what year vintage the outside for the disc brake system is. Beast388 may be right on the dana 44 77-79 era..I never noticed which way the tie rod went..my 1970 have them top down...it also has flat top knuckles...in my 70 drum brake dana 44..so I'd say 1970 is the starting year of flat top. From what you posted of the frame stamped vin its a 1970 frame built in Janesville. Simple enough if you know what your looking at. The transfer case is part time NP 205 ,..correct for year also and has correct style outputs from what I see. The rear is a eaton/ corp 10 bolt style diff cover..also correct. I'd say proabby 4.57 gears ..the front tag on the front dana 44 (which it is) will more give you a ratio close to that..they werent exactly same ratio...off by a bit for handling and steering. Regardles its 4.10 or 4.57..no other choices practically. I'd bet on 4.57 in 1970. Just looking at what I see like fan shrouds and brackets I recognize...its a 70. I'd probably know. I dream this stuff sometimes. __________________ Senior active founding member. 70 3/4 ton GMC Suburban 4x4 250/4 spd. 71 1/2 ton Suburban Chevy 4x4, 350/350 72 Chev 1 ton tow truck 402BB w/Holmes 440 wrecker on propane 2005 FLSTSCI Harley Springer 85 FXSB Harley Lowrider 72 Triumph 650 Bonneville 5spd "Poor people don't have hobbies" Quote from wife.

04-28-2005, 11:59 AM	#14
jugadro that's right! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Topsham, ME, USA Posts: 101	Wow, so I may not be up the creek as far as I thought I was. I was worried that getting parts was going to be a nightmare. It seems as though the diagrams in the LMC parts catalog may not be entirely accurate or correct. Or perhaps they just failed to show all of the different setups that were built. Do any of you recommend any other part catalogs / sources for these old beasts. I'm fairly new at having a truck this old and so far I've only dealt with LMC. Thanks for all of the help - I'm gonna go buy some brakes - And take some hub pictures while I'm at it - And maybe replace the U-joints while I have it apart. __________________ 70-K20-4X4

04-28-2005, 04:56 PM	#15
geunther Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cheyenne, WY Posts: 742	Lmc I have found the lmc and other books get a little sloppy. Especially as far as what pictures they show with part numbers. It makes it confusing becuase I have ordered what I know to be the correct part # but the picture is something completely different. Cross member under oil pan also strongly suggests pre 73 frame. Not sure about axle itself but lack of factory mount for steering stabalizer (hole in tie rod) indicateds pre 73 for that part. not sure of exact year that was introduced but know it was after 72. Agree with others posts also, np205 etc. __________________ The lid is stuck on my jar of anti seize Last edited by geunther; 04-28-2005 at 05:01 PM.

09-02-2005, 10:57 AM	#16
jugadro that's right! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Topsham, ME, USA Posts: 101	making progress.... OK, I just finished my brakes and here's what I have found so far (albeit accurate or not): Both axles have 8-lug hubs. FRONT AXLE Tag numbers: 45-11 4.09 Stamped numbers: 3 C-31256 44-5P Springs - about 43-44" eye to eye I ordered brake pads for a '77 3/4 ton and they worked great. REAR AXLE Tag: none Stamped Numbers: 3934635 (then a wagon wheel looking thingie) D I ordered brake shoes for a '70 P30 with 12" drums (2" wide shoes) and they were identical to what was on it. We spent extensive time looking in the thick reference guide at the auto parts store and he believes the rear axle is that of a '46-'70 P-series 1 ton. I'm getting there... slowly. Thanks for all your help! __________________ 70-K20-4X4



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09-11-2005, 08:54 AM	#17
72longbed Account Suspended Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: PA Posts: 1,411	Thats an HO72 Rear. As far as I can tell from the pics, the front axle is a 'flat top' D44. Pics taken closer to the upper ball joint area would help more. Looks good. 72longbed

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12-12-2005, 12:55 PM	#20
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12-12-2005, 03:32 PM	#21
budbeater Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Utah Posts: 63	Re: Need Help Identifying 4x4 Puzzle truck! The back axle is a Eaton HO52. I believe the HO72 was a one ton and/or dually model. The gearing for the Eaton was 4.10, 4.56 or 5.13. You might want to start saving $$$ for a disk conversion for the rear or a 14 bolt swap since the 12" drum parts (drums and wheel cylinders) are unavaliable for the Eaton anymore. The good thing is that the Eaton is a full float axle and the axle shafts are wicked tough. Budbeater

12-13-2005, 01:27 AM	#22
jugadro that's right! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Topsham, ME, USA Posts: 101	Re: Need Help Identifying 4x4 Puzzle truck! Hmmm... a disc brake conversion sounds sweet - where do I find info on this. I was considering getting wheel spacers too. My front wheels are 3 or 4 inches farther apart than my rear wheels, and I'm not sure I like the way it looks (is there any reason for that anyway?). Here's a pic of my rear hub if it is any consolation; Oh yeah - Yukon, I checked out your site. Nice work! I also checked out your links - I'm really interested in this twin shift setup for the NP205: http://www.offroaddesign.com/catalog...seshifters.htm Anyway, there's only so much money in my wallet. __________________ 70-K20-4X4

12-13-2005, 07:24 AM	#23
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04-10-2006, 07:09 PM	#24
jugadro that's right! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Topsham, ME, USA Posts: 101	Re: Need Help Identifying 4x4 Puzzle truck! Does anybody reccommend any rear disc conversions? __________________ 70-K20-4X4

04-11-2006, 02:39 PM	#25
69k5 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Monroe, La 71202 Posts: 317	Re: Need Help Identifying 4x4 Puzzle truck! any 14 bolt rear disc conversion will work and its real easy to do. you will loose parking break pending cadillac calipers or a driveline break. I bought mine from a guy on coloradok5.com . he is a good guy I want to say my brackets were 65.00. the d44 front calipers were $5.oo at the local junkyard. there are people that sell them on ebay about the same price.I have an eaton in my truck and love it but I have to find another one to replace it. I ruined my housing but everything inside survived.

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