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70 longbed · 06-30-2003, 11:18 AM

Ok, I am putting this thing back together, and I put headers on. How many of you with headers are using the standard size starter, and what problems, if any are you having? Anybody using a mini starter, and what if any problems are you having.

Bill72BB · 06-30-2003, 11:21 AM

So far no problems with standard starter ( Knock on wood) with the Dynomax.

cdowns · 06-30-2003, 12:02 PM

i'm using a hi-torque mini with hedman headers no problems in 2years and 35k miles

Mudder · 06-30-2003, 01:27 PM

Im running Hooker super comps and you have to hold your mouth right to get starter off with the headers. I also have the starrter wrapped to keep heat off of it.

Long Knight · 06-30-2003, 02:24 PM

I have full length flowtechs, full size starter, no problems yet.

RedDred · 06-30-2003, 06:24 PM

Quote:

I have full length flowtechs, full size starter, no problems yet.

Same here. Just got the engine and transmission in yesterday and the headers had no problems. (Well no big problems). On the driver's side the header went in easier going up from the bottom and the passenger side from the top. Of course I put the engine in first and the transmission in after the headers so it may be a bit more difficult. HTH

Daves72'GMC · 06-30-2003, 07:57 PM

where can I buy a Hi Torque mini starter for my 402BB? Thanks

tripp · 06-30-2003, 08:38 PM

i'm running full length hedmans and the stock starter. i had problems with the heat until i installed a metal heat shield that i ordered from JC Whitney's. no problems since.

crazy longhorn · 06-30-2003, 09:47 PM

I have Hooker comps on the longhorn, & 1 tube is close to the starter case , but hasnt caused any problems......starts fine hot or cold(no heat sheild). crazyL

Blue_71 · 06-30-2003, 10:20 PM

didnt see this post until after i made mine, but i think headers killed my starter today.... 3/4 length headers and regular starter

BLAZERMAN · 06-30-2003, 11:32 PM

I went with a remote solinoid and it cured my hot start problems, I have pretty tight clearance with my hedman headers on the 69 4x4 so I later added a GM Delco Remy mini starter and can now remove and replace the starter without loosing the headers, plus it only weighs about 8 pounds compared to about 20 for a stock starter. This is the same starter that comes stock on the 502 crate motor.

I also replaced all battery cables with 2/0 welding cable and keep them as short as possible, its kind of overkill but most of the battery cable you buy at auto parts stores is to wimpy to carry a sufficent load.

EdB · 06-30-2003, 11:42 PM

My truck has had headers ever since I have owned
it. There were no problems with the first two
engines (307 and 327). There was a heat problem
with the 3rd engine (modified 350). I fabricated
a shield from thin sheet metal and that solved the
problem. The fourth engine is a stock 350. The shield
is still there and there have been no problems.

EdB

Stano · 06-30-2003, 11:44 PM

I have full length Flowtech which are same as Dynomax and had a fullsize starter it was cooked in 1000 miles with a heat shield. I Got a Powermaster mini gear reduction starter and installed it and no problems. It cranks the engine quicker and has plenty of room between itself and the headers. It also draws less amps than a standard starter. Money well spent in my opinion. I had hot start problems bad til my other starter went out it is a unnecessary aggravation to say the least.

70 longbed · 07-01-2003, 10:50 AM

Thanks for all the replies. I guess that I can take a chance with the regular starter, or eliminate any problems by remoting the solenoid, or going with the mini starter. The cost of the mini is considerably more, but may be worth any headaches in the future.

Daves72'GMC · 07-01-2003, 01:26 PM

Where can I get a mini starter for my 402BB? Thanks

70 longbed · 07-01-2003, 02:00 PM

Daves72'GMC,

Sorry, I meant to give you a couple of vendors in my last reply.

Try speedwaymotors.com or yogisinc.com or any of the hotrod shops and or magazines, and both JEGS and Summit racing have them. I even did a search under google, for mini starters, and came up with several resources. Is the starter different for your BB? The cost of the minis is around $100-150 and upwards, and there are several vendors out there.

**raggedjim** · 07-01-2003, 02:57 PM

Blazerman, where can I get a remote solenoid? I have this problem and would like to do this too.

Thanks, Roger

70 longbed · 07-01-2003, 03:00 PM

Blazerman,

Do you have a part # for that GM Delco-Remy mini starter?

BigPun76 · 07-01-2003, 09:37 PM

The smaller starter that was pictured above is off a later model vehicle. If I remember correctly, they started using those starters in '95. So if you contact your local parts store and ask for a starter for a '95+ chevy truck w/ 350, they can hook you up. Be prepared for the price though. They run a pretty penny! I want to say it's a Delco # 323-423 but that doesn't look right... According to oreillyautoparts.com, it says it's a 323-485... $231.99!! Ouch! Hope this helps!

Class of 69 · 07-01-2003, 10:34 PM

The small starter in the pic is what is on my 95 K1500. Stock GM, and a heck of an improvement from the larger, less efficient ones, IMO!!

BLAZERMAN · 07-01-2003, 11:39 PM

I coudnt find the GM part number but the best place to purchase one is ebay, I paid about 100.00 for mine shipped, here's a link to one that comes with new starter bolts that you will need.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2421688870

raggedjim, you can buy a kit from Summit or MAD Ind., I think a kit runs about 25 bucks, or you can just go to any parts store and buy a ford solinoid and wire it up yourself, I will try and find the wireing diagram I used. A real simple install.

krazy_texan · 07-02-2003, 01:46 AM

no problem with the starter but i burn up solenoids about every 3 months

06-30-2003, 11:18 AM	#1
70 longbed Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sierra Vista, AZ Posts: 490	Headers and starters Ok, I am putting this thing back together, and I put headers on. How many of you with headers are using the standard size starter, and what problems, if any are you having? Anybody using a mini starter, and what if any problems are you having. __________________ Keith 70 CST longbed in progress. Hoping to get it back on the road soon.

06-30-2003, 11:21 AM	#2
Bill72BB Thats the Hillbilly way Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Torrance,Ca Posts: 5,980	So far no problems with standard starter ( Knock on wood) with the Dynomax. __________________ BILL Torrance Calif 90504 Member DUF Club Member Old Farts Club 72 3/4ton Custom Camper BB402/400 trans Dynomax Cerama-coat headers , Hei distributor ,Edelbrock 1411 air,ps,pb,leafsprings ,98 chevy 60/40 seat,S10 shoulder belts tilt,3.54 Dana 60 rear. 16" Eagle wheels with LT265/75 16 tires,Gaylord Lid,H4 headlights with 100W relay conversion. " If I knew I was going to live this long I would have taken better care of myself " Marriage changes passion...suddenly you're in bed with a relative. A GUY'S PRAYER.... Lord, I pray for a nympho with huge boobs who owns a liquor store and likes to fish and hunt and has a Harley .Amen ,

06-30-2003, 12:02 PM	#3
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	i'm using a hi-torque mini with hedman headers no problems in 2years and 35k miles __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY

06-30-2003, 02:24 PM	#5
Long Knight Spank 'em if you got 'em! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kansas City Posts: 628	I have full length flowtechs, full size starter, no problems yet. __________________ Long Knight '71 C-20, 350ci, TH350, Edl. 1406 Carb w/elec.choke, Ignitor ignition, Viper Tires, Orange Dipstick

06-30-2003, 08:38 PM	#8
tripp Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Meansville, Georgia Posts: 218	i'm running full length hedmans and the stock starter. i had problems with the heat until i installed a metal heat shield that i ordered from JC Whitney's. no problems since. __________________ 68 SWB Stepside 72 Cheyenne 20 72 SWB Fleetside 72 Suburban 72 2wd Blazer

06-30-2003, 01:27 PM	#4
Mudder Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: East Central, MO Posts: 11,336	Im running Hooker super comps and you have to hold your mouth right to get starter off with the headers. I also have the starrter wrapped to keep heat off of it.

06-30-2003, 07:57 PM	#7
Daves72'GMC Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Asheville, N.C Posts: 952	where can I buy a Hi Torque mini starter for my 402BB? Thanks

06-30-2003, 09:47 PM	#9
crazy longhorn Fabricate till you "puke" Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ill Posts: 9,403	I have Hooker comps on the longhorn, & 1 tube is close to the starter case , but hasnt caused any problems......starts fine hot or cold(no heat sheild). crazyL __________________ 69 longhorn,4" chop,3/5 drop, 1/2 ton suspension/disc brakes,1 1/2" body drop,steel tilt clip, 5.3/Edelbrock rpm intake/600 carb, Hooker streetrod shorties,2 1/2" exhaust/ H pipe/50's Flows , 6 spd Richmond trans,12 bolt/ 3.40 gears....

06-30-2003, 11:32 PM	#11
BLAZERMAN Currently Blazerless Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: St. Joseph Mo. Posts: 4,826	I went with a remote solinoid and it cured my hot start problems, I have pretty tight clearance with my hedman headers on the 69 4x4 so I later added a GM Delco Remy mini starter and can now remove and replace the starter without loosing the headers, plus it only weighs about 8 pounds compared to about 20 for a stock starter. This is the same starter that comes stock on the 502 crate motor. I also replaced all battery cables with 2/0 welding cable and keep them as short as possible, its kind of overkill but most of the battery cable you buy at auto parts stores is to wimpy to carry a sufficent load. Attached Images __________________ 1972 C/30 133" W.B. C&C 1970 GMC 3500 157" W.B. single wheel C&C

06-30-2003, 11:42 PM	#12
EdB Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Gulfport Ms Posts: 401	My truck has had headers ever since I have owned it. There were no problems with the first two engines (307 and 327). There was a heat problem with the 3rd engine (modified 350). I fabricated a shield from thin sheet metal and that solved the problem. The fourth engine is a stock 350. The shield is still there and there have been no problems. EdB

06-30-2003, 11:44 PM	#13
Stano Registered User Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Mo Posts: 963	I have full length Flowtech which are same as Dynomax and had a fullsize starter it was cooked in 1000 miles with a heat shield. I Got a Powermaster mini gear reduction starter and installed it and no problems. It cranks the engine quicker and has plenty of room between itself and the headers. It also draws less amps than a standard starter. Money well spent in my opinion. I had hot start problems bad til my other starter went out it is a unnecessary aggravation to say the least. __________________ New daily driver 96 Chevy K3500 crew cab dually 53,000 miles 350 Vortec 4L80 Nice ride 67 Chevy C-10 LWB Built 350 TH-400 Wifes ride and family rig: 2001 Furd Expedition 5.4 Liter Kickin back in Rolla,Mo. USA "Do the thing you fear most and the death of fear is certain" Mark Twain

07-01-2003, 10:50 AM	#14
70 longbed Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sierra Vista, AZ Posts: 490	Thanks for all the replies. I guess that I can take a chance with the regular starter, or eliminate any problems by remoting the solenoid, or going with the mini starter. The cost of the mini is considerably more, but may be worth any headaches in the future. __________________ Keith 70 CST longbed in progress. Hoping to get it back on the road soon.

07-01-2003, 01:26 PM	#15
Daves72'GMC Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Asheville, N.C Posts: 952	Where can I get a mini starter for my 402BB? Thanks

07-01-2003, 02:00 PM	#16
70 longbed Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sierra Vista, AZ Posts: 490	Daves72'GMC, Sorry, I meant to give you a couple of vendors in my last reply. Try speedwaymotors.com or yogisinc.com or any of the hotrod shops and or magazines, and both JEGS and Summit racing have them. I even did a search under google, for mini starters, and came up with several resources. Is the starter different for your BB? The cost of the minis is around $100-150 and upwards, and there are several vendors out there. __________________ Keith 70 CST longbed in progress. Hoping to get it back on the road soon.

07-01-2003, 02:57 PM	#17
raggedjim Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Murray, Kentucky Posts: 3,388	Blazerman, where can I get a remote solenoid? I have this problem and would like to do this too. Thanks, Roger __________________ Roger '68 Short step - https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=849675 '69 ('70?) 2wd Blazer '70 GMC Jimmy 2wd



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07-01-2003, 03:00 PM	#18
70 longbed Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sierra Vista, AZ Posts: 490	Blazerman, Do you have a part # for that GM Delco-Remy mini starter? __________________ Keith 70 CST longbed in progress. Hoping to get it back on the road soon.

07-01-2003, 09:37 PM	#19
BigPun76 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Nacogdoches, TX Posts: 27	Delco perm magnet starter The smaller starter that was pictured above is off a later model vehicle. If I remember correctly, they started using those starters in '95. So if you contact your local parts store and ask for a starter for a '95+ chevy truck w/ 350, they can hook you up. Be prepared for the price though. They run a pretty penny! I want to say it's a Delco # 323-423 but that doesn't look right... According to oreillyautoparts.com, it says it's a 323-485... $231.99!! Ouch! Hope this helps!

07-01-2003, 10:34 PM	#20
Class of 69 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Stillwater MN Posts: 1,166	The small starter in the pic is what is on my 95 K1500. Stock GM, and a heck of an improvement from the larger, less efficient ones, IMO!! __________________ 69 GMC K10 ..some restoration required....still..

07-01-2003, 11:39 PM	#21
BLAZERMAN Currently Blazerless Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: St. Joseph Mo. Posts: 4,826	I coudnt find the GM part number but the best place to purchase one is ebay, I paid about 100.00 for mine shipped, here's a link to one that comes with new starter bolts that you will need. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2421688870 raggedjim, you can buy a kit from Summit or MAD Ind., I think a kit runs about 25 bucks, or you can just go to any parts store and buy a ford solinoid and wire it up yourself, I will try and find the wireing diagram I used. A real simple install. __________________ 1972 C/30 133" W.B. C&C 1970 GMC 3500 157" W.B. single wheel C&C

07-02-2003, 01:46 AM	#22
krazy_texan Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: West Des Moines, Ia Posts: 3,233	no problem with the starter but i burn up solenoids about every 3 months __________________ Krazy Texan My Trucks are made with Wrenches not Chop Sticks 1967 GMC 3/4 ton "Johnny Cash" 1990 v1500 suburban 1967 Ford f100 Swb 4x4 "green bean" GOD BLESS JESUS, JOHN WAYNE, AND THE ALAMO

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