DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads - Page 3 - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

**Ol Blue K20** · 02-08-2020, 03:45 PM

Are the measurements the same on the passenger door?

**richard2717** · 02-08-2020, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by randy500

I sometimes forget to look in the assembly manual.

Sometimes looking in the assembly manual will make you not want to look in the assembly manual. There is NO rhyme or reason to the layout of the book that I can see. It is like they sent an intern to the copier room to make a copy of it and the intern tripped on the way sending papers flying. Being in a hurry to get back to the binding dept, he just grabbed all the papers up however, and the binding dept did not look either

**richard2717** · 02-08-2020, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ol Blue K20

Are the measurements the same on the passenger door?

Dale
I found references to every mirror used except the 72 DG4 and every drawing is only of the drivers door which would lead me to believe they are the same, but that is just my guess

**richard2717** · 02-08-2020, 04:25 PM

McMaster also has stainless studs as well, just be sure to use anti seize

https://www.mcmaster.com/threaded-rods

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**70cst** · 02-08-2020, 05:54 PM

Great thread ...

**LockDoc** · 07-20-2020, 04:47 PM

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I thought I would bump this back to the top. There was a question asked about measurements a couple of days ago.

I am in the process of freshening mine up and installing them on the '72 C30. I didn't see a reference on this in the thread but I noticed on mine the studs on the ends of the elbows were different lengths. Mirror ends were shorter than the bracket ends.

This is a work truck so I am not rebuilding with new parts but just cleaning up what is there.....

LockDoc

**FirstOwner69** · 07-20-2020, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LockDoc

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I thought I would bump this back to the top. There was a question asked about measurements a couple of days ago.

I am in the process of freshening mine up and installing them on the '72 C30. I didn't see a reference on this in the thread but I noticed on mine the studs on the ends of the elbows were different lengths. Mirror ends were shorter than the bracket ends.

This is a work truck so I am not rebuilding with new parts but just cleaning up what is there.....

LockDoc

My originals are the same. I believe the longer studs are necessary due to having to pass through 2 thicknesses of the flattened mounting bracket legs versus the thinner mirror bracket. It would make sense since the acorn nuts have limited depth.

**LockDoc** · 07-20-2020, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FirstOwner69

My originals are the same. I believe the longer studs are necessary due having to pass through 2 thicknesses of the flattened mounting bracket legs versus the thinner mirror bracket. It would make sense since the acorn nuts have limited depth.

My thoughts exactly.

LockDoc

57taskforce · 07-20-2020, 11:31 PM

Sub’d for later use. Nice work guys, thanks for sharing!

**special-K** · 07-21-2020, 07:36 AM

Has anyone checked into the Colony Machine chrome peaked acorn nuts? I put their engine kit on my Harley. Where Harley used a bolt, Colony provided a stud and peaked acorn nut, as Stocker suggested

**70cst** · 07-21-2020, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by randy500

Elbows, 4.5” even offset
Signal Stat 7933
Truck lite 97869
Napa LIT 97869

Mirrors
Truck lite 97805
Signal Stat 7053
Other part numbers
97842
97681
Napa LIT 97660

Last pic is an oddball part number for a 4.5” even offset stainless elbow.

Great information. Thanks

**CS1972** · 01-17-2021, 12:14 AM

After finding a set of DG4's and associated hardware many many months ago I'm finally ready to install my mirrors but have a few questions to clarify before dropping off at the body shop.

A little background, my SPID has the DG4's listed as an option, but during a prior repaint the owner changed to the Sport Mirrors. I LOVE the DG4's and more importantly I want my truck the way it should be. The Sport mirrors / backing plates are now with Cliff (72 Jimmy Power) in South SF so there's no turning back on this project.

When I disassembled the doors and looked inside I can see where the body guy used bondo/fiberglass to fill the holes. On the outside of the doors and in the right light I can see faint signs of where the holes used to be.

Anyway, onto my questions.

When I measure from the leading door edge to the top hole it is 7.25" (7-1/4") on Drivers side, but on the Passenger side I come up with 8.25" (8-1/4") - arrow on green piece of tape in picture, a 1" difference. I confirmed those are the old holes by using my paint gauge as it reads 0 when I put it on the hole. Anyone else out there with these measurements? Or is the 8.25" right for both sides?

I was originally going to use the factory sheet metal bolts, but then the body shop guy starting talking about "Rivnuts" / "Nutserts" and when I looked at some videos these seem to be a much better method to secure the mirrors, has anyone done this? Any horror stories I should know?

Observations, 1. the leading edge of where the inner & outer door skins meet just so happens to be 8.25" as well, coincidence? 2. was the drivers side mounted closer to the front of the truck because a person in the drivers seat would want the mirror further away to have a larger side / rear view and on the passenger side the mounting would be back further from the front so the vent window frame did not obstruct your view?

All holes will be welded closed, no bondo this go around.

I'm tying in this post as it also contains a lot of good stuff tied to these mirrors https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=795168

**CS1972** · 01-17-2021, 03:49 PM

Found lots of pictures showing how the mirror mounts to the arm, but really good pic of the tripod bracket. So here's my question, what is the sequence of nylon / metal washers that are to be used? # 1 , # 2 or # 3 ?

1. L arm,metal washer, nylon washer, bracket, nylon washer, bracket, nylon washer, metal washer, bullet acorn nut
2. L arm,metal washer, nylon washer, bracket (NO nylon washer) bracket, nylon washer, metal washer, bullet acorn nut
3. "Other" please describe and/or attach picture.

1972 DG4's if that matters.

**FirstOwner69** · 01-17-2021, 05:39 PM

Like this. #2

**DeadheadNM** · 01-17-2021, 05:42 PM

My recollection is it’s like #2 but there were additional fiber washers that need to be accounted for in terms of spacing.

**Chevyland** · 01-17-2021, 05:48 PM

Here is another pic for verification
I don’t think these have ever been apart

Andy4639 · 01-17-2021, 05:52 PM

If my memory serves me right it's because of the vent window being in the line of sight if you use the drivers side measurement on the passenger side. They move the passenger side further back so the view is clear.

I know these are not the mirrors you are using but just thought I would add this. The shop manuals I have have no measurements for adding them even though they show them. The written part doesn't even say what they are. That one paragraph is all it states on them. I checked all 3 of my manuals for this.

DEAK71C10 · 01-17-2021, 09:37 PM

Interesting and informative thread on the DG4 mirrors. I'm just not sure how many different types were made, but I think GM got them from a few various suppliers and just called them all DG4.

Here's one I found on ebay, supposedly original and I don't doubt it, but it's not what I was after.

What's left of my original 1971 Drivers Door DG4.

And the one I found, but it's not what I was after . . .

**CS1972** · 01-18-2021, 11:05 AM

Good stuff guys, appreciate the clarification.

Next question, using the 1972 mirror installation instructions as reference, the drawing shows a "gasket" between the mounting arms and the door skin, what is this "gasket"? Is it simply a nylon washer or ?

**DeadheadNM** · 01-18-2021, 11:33 AM

Fwiw i thought these were little rubber O gaskets. At least thats what i used. Once installed they cant be seen. Camper mirrors came w a rubber strip for use as a gasket across the top attachment to the door.

72c20customcamper · 01-18-2021, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CS1972

Good stuff guys, appreciate the clarification.

Next question, using the 1972 mirror installation instructions as reference, the drawing shows a "gasket" between the mounting arms and the door skin, what is this "gasket"? Is it simply a nylon washer or ?

Since I wasnt going for originality I used nylon washers .

**FirstOwner69** · 01-18-2021, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CS1972

Good stuff guys, appreciate the clarification.

Next question, using the 1972 mirror installation instructions as reference, the drawing shows a "gasket" between the mounting arms and the door skin, what is this "gasket"? Is it simply a nylon washer or ?

I can't give a definitive answer for the 1972 version, but I am 100% sure that, at least my '69, never had anything between the mirror brackets and the paint.. In other words they were mounted metal leg to painted door metal. I always thought it was odd but not surprising.

**CS1972** · 01-24-2021, 12:15 AM

I've been searching for a while and I have what I think are the closest to the original High Crown Acorn nut: 3/8" - 16. I have yet to obtain a stainless steel version that is even close to the original.

Left to Right in picture: Original, Grainger, Midwest

Original: Steel, .779" height
Grainger: Steel, .782 height, part # 6XEG7
Midwest Fastener: Chromed Steel, .826 height, part # 87036

**special-K** · 01-24-2021, 07:41 AM

Colony USA sells that chrome peaked version

https://colonyusa.com/t/acorn-nuts

**richard2717** · 01-24-2021, 10:42 AM

I found them in Stainless a while back. They were pricey at about $3 each plus shipping

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02-08-2020, 03:45 PM	#51
Ol Blue K20 Proprietor of Dale's Corner Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Vacaville , CA Posts: 15,834	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Are the measurements the same on the passenger door? __________________ "Some Days Chickens And Some Days Feathers" Dale XNGH ECV Sam Brannan 1004 R.I.P. 67ChevyRedneck R.I.P. Grumpy Old Man

02-08-2020, 04:25 PM	#54
richard2717 Equal opportunity joke ofender Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Eastern Shore of MD Posts: 9,867	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads McMaster also has stainless studs as well, just be sure to use anti seize https://www.mcmaster.com/threaded-rods . __________________ Members I have met. Dually Jams, OlBlue60, ScottH, Tommyboy24, Dujobo, Warbucket, 2003 Silverado, Notsolo, my90k5, 6t727t2, Special-K ,Jack_71C10, tabarcus,72blazer_mud_bogger,pwdcougar,RSavage,EricSean,1Rippen6,invicta455,tennaragtop71,arks, Kendal,Bennett68C10, Perpendicular, Chainsawman, McGeesCustomMinis,ShortbedClayton,longblue72,6768chevylover,Tim71,Travisarmenta,Ol' Drippy,fleetmitch,georgieb51,Dave,bcnya2,Dadsburb https://paypal.me/6772GMtruckparts Most women like the strong, silent type… Fortunately for me, my wife prefers the out-of-shape, mouthy type.

02-08-2020, 05:54 PM	#55
70cst Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: New Madison, Ohio Posts: 21,339	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Great thread ... __________________ A husband can be right...or...A husband can be happy. 67-72 Chevy and GMC Trucks...The Classic Truck for the Classic Folk. 1970 CST Two tone green, 402BB, 400 Automatic, Tach, Buckets, AC, AM-FM, Tilt, GM CB, GM 8 Tract, LWB, etc JOHN 17:3...The better side of "LIFE" Remember: Everyday is a good day...Some are just gooder!

07-20-2020, 04:47 PM	#56
LockDoc The Older Generation Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Posts: 25,317	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads - I thought I would bump this back to the top. There was a question asked about measurements a couple of days ago. I am in the process of freshening mine up and installing them on the '72 C30. I didn't see a reference on this in the thread but I noticed on mine the studs on the ends of the elbows were different lengths. Mirror ends were shorter than the bracket ends. This is a work truck so I am not rebuilding with new parts but just cleaning up what is there..... LockDoc Attached Images __________________ Leon Locksmith, Specializing In Antique Trucks, Automobiles, & Motorcycles (My Dually Pickup Project Thread) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=829820 -

07-20-2020, 11:31 PM	#59
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07-21-2020, 07:36 AM	#60
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,862	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Has anyone checked into the Colony Machine chrome peaked acorn nuts? I put their engine kit on my Harley. Where Harley used a bolt, Colony provided a stud and peaked acorn nut, as Stocker suggested __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

01-17-2021, 12:14 AM	#62
CS1972 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 449	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads After finding a set of DG4's and associated hardware many many months ago I'm finally ready to install my mirrors but have a few questions to clarify before dropping off at the body shop. A little background, my SPID has the DG4's listed as an option, but during a prior repaint the owner changed to the Sport Mirrors. I LOVE the DG4's and more importantly I want my truck the way it should be. The Sport mirrors / backing plates are now with Cliff (72 Jimmy Power) in South SF so there's no turning back on this project. When I disassembled the doors and looked inside I can see where the body guy used bondo/fiberglass to fill the holes. On the outside of the doors and in the right light I can see faint signs of where the holes used to be. Anyway, onto my questions. When I measure from the leading door edge to the top hole it is 7.25" (7-1/4") on Drivers side, but on the Passenger side I come up with 8.25" (8-1/4") - arrow on green piece of tape in picture, a 1" difference. I confirmed those are the old holes by using my paint gauge as it reads 0 when I put it on the hole. Anyone else out there with these measurements? Or is the 8.25" right for both sides? I was originally going to use the factory sheet metal bolts, but then the body shop guy starting talking about "Rivnuts" / "Nutserts" and when I looked at some videos these seem to be a much better method to secure the mirrors, has anyone done this? Any horror stories I should know? Observations, 1. the leading edge of where the inner & outer door skins meet just so happens to be 8.25" as well, coincidence? 2. was the drivers side mounted closer to the front of the truck because a person in the drivers seat would want the mirror further away to have a larger side / rear view and on the passenger side the mounting would be back further from the front so the vent window frame did not obstruct your view? All holes will be welded closed, no bondo this go around. I'm tying in this post as it also contains a lot of good stuff tied to these mirrors https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=795168 Attached Images __________________ Ron 1972 Cheyenne Super 1/2 ton LWB 4x4 - Grapefruit Yellow / White

01-17-2021, 03:49 PM	#63
CS1972 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 449	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Found lots of pictures showing how the mirror mounts to the arm, but really good pic of the tripod bracket. So here's my question, what is the sequence of nylon / metal washers that are to be used? # 1 , # 2 or # 3 ? 1. L arm,metal washer, nylon washer, bracket, nylon washer, bracket, nylon washer, metal washer, bullet acorn nut 2. L arm,metal washer, nylon washer, bracket (NO nylon washer) bracket, nylon washer, metal washer, bullet acorn nut 3. "Other" please describe and/or attach picture. 1972 DG4's if that matters. Attached Images __________________ Ron 1972 Cheyenne Super 1/2 ton LWB 4x4 - Grapefruit Yellow / White

01-17-2021, 05:39 PM	#64
FirstOwner69 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wisconsin & Arizona Posts: 4,838	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Like this. #2 Attached Images __________________ Jim

01-17-2021, 05:42 PM	#65
DeadheadNM Carpe manana Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Eau Claire, WI Posts: 12,278	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads My recollection is it’s like #2 but there were additional fiber washers that need to be accounted for in terms of spacing. __________________ 1972 K5 CST Highlander Blazer: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=708547 1972 K20 Cheyenne Super: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=528308 Members met: ORANGBLAZ, 2003 silverado, MikeCofield, BB72CHEVKT, Duncan&Son, Sameyrasmea72, THENEWMEXICAN, HotRod C/10, brianthelion02, Sport/Truck, ryanroo, michael bustamante, Dirt's72, Already Gone, WestButteTruck, 57taskforce, Moreyel, painterljp, AASmedic, SoCoC10, Lumaestas, carbuff382, Chevyland

01-17-2021, 05:48 PM	#66
Chevyland Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Ca. <-> Ma. Posts: 5,691	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Here is another pic for verification I don’t think these have ever been apart Attached Images

01-17-2021, 05:52 PM	#67
Andy4639 Old member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Liberty, & Garden City S.C. , U.S. Posts: 19,936	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads If my memory serves me right it's because of the vent window being in the line of sight if you use the drivers side measurement on the passenger side. They move the passenger side further back so the view is clear. I know these are not the mirrors you are using but just thought I would add this. The shop manuals I have have no measurements for adding them even though they show them. The written part doesn't even say what they are. That one paragraph is all it states on them. I checked all 3 of my manuals for this. Attached Images __________________ 1971 LWB Custom, 6.0LS & 4L80E, Speedhut.com GPS speedometer & gauges with A/C. 20" Boss 338's Grey wheels 4 wheel disc brakes. My Driver Seeing the USA in a 71 Upstate SC GM Truck Club 2013,14 and 2016 Hot Rod Pour Tour http://upstategmtrucks.com/ Get out and drive the truck this summer and have some fun! It sucks not being able to hear! LWB trucks rule, if you don't think so measure your SWB! After talking to tech support at Air Lift I have found out that the kit I need is 60811. Per the measurements I gave them. Ride height of truck inside spring and inside diameter of springs.

01-17-2021, 09:37 PM	#68
DEAK71C10 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Thumb, Michigan Posts: 26	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Interesting and informative thread on the DG4 mirrors. I'm just not sure how many different types were made, but I think GM got them from a few various suppliers and just called them all DG4. Here's one I found on ebay, supposedly original and I don't doubt it, but it's not what I was after. What's left of my original 1971 Drivers Door DG4. And the one I found, but it's not what I was after . . .

01-18-2021, 11:05 AM	#69
CS1972 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 449	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Good stuff guys, appreciate the clarification. Next question, using the 1972 mirror installation instructions as reference, the drawing shows a "gasket" between the mounting arms and the door skin, what is this "gasket"? Is it simply a nylon washer or ? Attached Images __________________ Ron 1972 Cheyenne Super 1/2 ton LWB 4x4 - Grapefruit Yellow / White

01-18-2021, 11:33 AM	#70
DeadheadNM Carpe manana Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Eau Claire, WI Posts: 12,278	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Fwiw i thought these were little rubber O gaskets. At least thats what i used. Once installed they cant be seen. Camper mirrors came w a rubber strip for use as a gasket across the top attachment to the door. __________________ 1972 K5 CST Highlander Blazer: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=708547 1972 K20 Cheyenne Super: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=528308 Members met: ORANGBLAZ, 2003 silverado, MikeCofield, BB72CHEVKT, Duncan&Son, Sameyrasmea72, THENEWMEXICAN, HotRod C/10, brianthelion02, Sport/Truck, ryanroo, michael bustamante, Dirt's72, Already Gone, WestButteTruck, 57taskforce, Moreyel, painterljp, AASmedic, SoCoC10, Lumaestas, carbuff382, Chevyland



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01-24-2021, 12:15 AM	#73
CS1972 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 449	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads I've been searching for a while and I have what I think are the closest to the original High Crown Acorn nut: 3/8" - 16. I have yet to obtain a stainless steel version that is even close to the original. Left to Right in picture: Original, Grainger, Midwest Original: Steel, .779" height Grainger: Steel, .782 height, part # 6XEG7 Midwest Fastener: Chromed Steel, .826 height, part # 87036 Attached Images __________________ Ron 1972 Cheyenne Super 1/2 ton LWB 4x4 - Grapefruit Yellow / White

01-24-2021, 07:41 AM	#74
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,862	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Colony USA sells that chrome peaked version https://colonyusa.com/t/acorn-nuts __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

01-24-2021, 10:42 AM	#75
richard2717 Equal opportunity joke ofender Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Eastern Shore of MD Posts: 9,867	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads I found them in Stainless a while back. They were pricey at about $3 each plus shipping . Attached Images __________________ Members I have met. Dually Jams, OlBlue60, ScottH, Tommyboy24, Dujobo, Warbucket, 2003 Silverado, Notsolo, my90k5, 6t727t2, Special-K ,Jack_71C10, tabarcus,72blazer_mud_bogger,pwdcougar,RSavage,EricSean,1Rippen6,invicta455,tennaragtop71,arks, Kendal,Bennett68C10, Perpendicular, Chainsawman, McGeesCustomMinis,ShortbedClayton,longblue72,6768chevylover,Tim71,Travisarmenta,Ol' Drippy,fleetmitch,georgieb51,Dave,bcnya2,Dadsburb https://paypal.me/6772GMtruckparts Most women like the strong, silent type… Fortunately for me, my wife prefers the out-of-shape, mouthy type.

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