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ls1nova71 04-06-2014 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by desertdogg (Post 6614643)
FLex fuel ?....how can you tell if this is a flex fuel...I noticed the power steering pump has a metal fluid tank instead of the plastic one

All truck pumps have metal reservoirs. The injuctors will have a more square connector rather than a rectanguler one.

ls1nova71 04-06-2014 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by desertdogg (Post 6614661)
Thanks LS1, yes its plastic. So what kind of challenges does flex fuel bring bring to the table ? I know it can be used but are they harder to install ?

None if you don't try to run it as flex fuel. Just hook it up as a regular gas engine and you'll be fine. The older ones has an extra fuel composttion sensor, but not sure on the newer ones. Personally I think the whole E85 thing is crap as it doesn't really have any benefits, sure it costs a little less, but its almost impossible to find in most areas, and you get fewer MPGs with it so its a wash, and it eats rubber parts and is corrosive. Just run normal gas and be done with it.

desertdogg 04-06-2014 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ls1nova71 (Post 6614667)
All truck pumps have metal reservoirs. The injuctors will have a more square connector rather than a rectanguler one.

...Sorry ! LS1 just answered this

desertdogg 04-06-2014 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ls1nova71 (Post 6614678)
None if you don't try to run it as flex fuel. Just hook it up as a regular gas engine and you'll be fine. The older ones has an extra fuel composttion sensor, but not sure on the newer ones. Personally I think the whole E85 thing is crap as it doesn't really have any benefits, sure it costs a little less, but its almost impossible to find in most areas, and you get fewer MPGs with it so its a wash, and it eats rubber parts and is corrosive. Just run normal gas and be done with it.

Sorry for my ignorance but whats an E85 ? how can I tell if I have it ?

ls1nova71 04-06-2014 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by desertdogg (Post 6614695)
Sorry for my ignorance but whats an E85 ? how can I tell if I have it ?

Haha! This is probably because you live in California. E85 is ethanol fuel, the 85 part means its 85% ethanol and only 15% gas. Its what flex fuel cars can run on. You can find it here in the midwest if you really look for it, but its hard to find, I'm guessing you may not even have it in San Diego.

desertdogg 04-06-2014 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ls1nova71 (Post 6614732)
Haha! This is probably because you live in California. E85 is ethanol fuel, the 85 part means its 85% ethanol and only 15% gas. Its what flex fuel cars can run on. You can find it here in the midwest if you really look for it, but its hard to find, I'm guessing you may not even have it in San Diego.

Lol ! OK, yeah your right...have not seen any here in San Diego at all... Ok now this makes sense to me.

BR3W CITY 04-06-2014 01:49 PM

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Ast for the flex fuel thing; it also means that your pressure regulator will run a few psi lower than the standard truck FPR. Its worth mentioning so you don't panic if you test fuel psi and it is lower than 58.

desertdogg 04-06-2014 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BR3W CITY (Post 6614887)
Ast for the flex fuel thing; it also means that your pressure regulator will run a few psi lower than the standard truck FPR. Its worth mentioning so you don't panic if you test fuel psi and it is lower than 58.

Thanks BR3, good to know !

ls1nova71 04-06-2014 04:23 PM

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On a returnless system with a Vette filter/regulator it will be regulated at 58psi. The older retutn type with the vacuum regulator it will be a lower pressure.

desertdogg 04-06-2014 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ls1nova71 (Post 6615183)
On a returnless system with a Vette filter/regulator it will be regulated at 58psi. The older retutn type with the vacuum regulator it will be a lower pressure.

so I have the newer and returnless, and should be at 58psi ?

ls1nova71 04-06-2014 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by desertdogg (Post 6615302)
so I have the newer and returnless, and should be at 58psi ?

If you use a Corvette filter/regulator, then yes it should be at 58psi.

BR3W CITY 04-06-2014 06:31 PM

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That applies to the FF's as well? I thought all the FF's had the lower reg? LOL dammit I thought I had learned something from last time.

desertdogg 04-06-2014 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ls1nova71 (Post 6615364)
If you use a Corvette filter/regulator, then yes it should be at 58psi.

where can I get one of those ? Summit ? is there a certain model or part # ?
thanks in advance.

dman1982 04-06-2014 09:47 PM

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33737 is the one i just bought, since i messed my first one up

dman1982 04-06-2014 09:48 PM

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btw....mine should be firing up tonight:metal::metal::metal:

desertdogg 04-06-2014 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dman1982 (Post 6615824)
33737 is the one i just bought, since i messed my first one up

Thanks brother !!
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Originally Posted by dman1982 (Post 6615828)
btw....mine should be firing up tonight:metal::metal::metal:

Right on man ! :metal: hope it works without any troubles for you hopefully in a couple of weeks I will be saying the same thing !

dman1982 04-06-2014 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by desertdogg (Post 6615865)
Thanks brother !!

Right on man ! :metal: hope it works without any troubles for you hopefully in a couple of weeks I will be saying the same thing !

no problem man....and me too

littlevictories 04-07-2014 09:33 AM

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it's not just the regulators that are different on the flex fuel motors. the injectors are different too.

ls1nova71 04-07-2014 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BR3W CITY (Post 6615408)
That applies to the FF's as well? I thought all the FF's had the lower reg? LOL dammit I thought I had learned something from last time.

The old vacuum regulated return style fuel rails will pull down the PSI, and it may be low on the newer stuff too with a factory pump, but the Corvette filter/regulator is set at 58psi, so as long as your pump puts out that much, that's what you'll have at the rail.

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Originally Posted by littlevictories (Post 6616461)
it's not just the regulators that are different on the flex fuel motors. the injectors are different too.

I'm aware of this, but was trying not to confuse the kid. ;) They will work with regular fuel fine.

littlevictories 04-07-2014 03:15 PM

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heck im confused! i was told that if you run FF injectors, you gotta run the FF regulator. correct me if I'm wrong please. I'd have loved to run the corvette filter/reg system on my FF motor.

desertdogg 04-09-2014 10:25 PM

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Ok im getting excited its comming down to D Day but I need to confirm with all the pros out there first on all I should have ready before I begin. We will be pulling the engine this weekend and I would like to do some clean up on the firewall and front frame once its out I know I may need some tbss manifolds because mine wont clear, I have the DD mounts and my wiring harness should be in some time next week If you guys can tell me what else I should start ordering or have ready it would really help me out ! I will start posting some pics as soon as I get the party started but I cant do it with out your guys help I just basically need to know what else I need so we can keep moving. I got all next week off work so I can get alot of the work done and burn some midnight grease...thanks everyone so far you have all been so awesome ! :)

trkfrk 04-09-2014 10:41 PM

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Way cool thread.. I'm watching and learning from you guys..

desertdogg 04-09-2014 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by trkfrk (Post 6621536)
Way cool thread.. I'm watching and learning from you guys..

Thanks trkfrk ! makes at least two of us lol :metal:

ls1nova71 04-09-2014 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by littlevictories (Post 6617153)
heck im confused! i was told that if you run FF injectors, you gotta run the FF regulator. correct me if I'm wrong please. I'd have loved to run the corvette filter/reg system on my FF motor.


I copied this from an LS1tech post posted by Brenden from LT1swap.com

The fuel pressure specs are straight out of GM Service Information online service manuals.

"1999-2003 4.8, 5.3, 6.0 all had a fuel rail with 3/8" supply line and a 5/16" return line. The fuel pressure regulator is on the fuel rail, and has a vacuum line to the intake manifold. In 2004, All engines went to a single 3/8" supply line, with NO RETURN LINE (returnless) except 5.3L L59 Flex Fuel vehicles. For 2004, Flex fuel engines KEPT the return line, BUT used a fuel pressure regulator with a lower pressure ratting. 2005 5.3L L59 Flex Fuel engines switched to a single 3/8" supply with NO RETURN line in 2005. Non flex fuel engines, fuel pressure spec is 55 to 62 psi with vacuum line disconnected, fuel pump running. 5.3L Flex Fuel engine 2004 and back, 48-54 psi with vacuum line disconnected, fuel pump running. 2005+ with returnless fuel rail all shared same fuel pressure spec, 55-62 psi. There is no vacuum reference on these, so fuel pressure should remain constant under all operating conditions. The computer is programmed differently for fuel flow rate depending on type of fuel rail. This is important to know when having a PCM programmed."

desertdogg 04-09-2014 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ls1nova71 (Post 6621557)
I copied this from an LS1tech post posted by Brenden from LT1swap.com

The fuel pressure specs are straight out of GM Service Information online service manuals.

"1999-2003 4.8, 5.3, 6.0 all had a fuel rail with 3/8" supply line and a 5/16" return line. The fuel pressure regulator is on the fuel rail, and has a vacuum line to the intake manifold. In 2004, All engines went to a single 3/8" supply line, with NO RETURN LINE (returnless) except 5.3L L59 Flex Fuel vehicles. For 2004, Flex fuel engines KEPT the return line, BUT used a fuel pressure regulator with a lower pressure ratting. 2005 5.3L L59 Flex Fuel engines switched to a single 3/8" supply with NO RETURN line in 2005. Non flex fuel engines, fuel pressure spec is 55 to 62 psi with vacuum line disconnected, fuel pump running. 5.3L Flex Fuel engine 2004 and back, 48-54 psi with vacuum line disconnected, fuel pump running. 2005+ with returnless fuel rail all shared same fuel pressure spec, 55-62 psi. There is no vacuum reference on these, so fuel pressure should remain constant under all operating conditions. The computer is programmed differently for fuel flow rate depending on type of fuel rail. This is important to know when having a PCM programmed."

Thats awesome information LS1 ! I need to make sure fuelinjectionconection knows this information before he flashes my computer !


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