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Was searching around the eBay and found this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=320681444685 the guy is selling blueprints and photos on how to do an S-10 frame swap...with so much of this info on here free & free on many other websites I was shocked to see it at $225!! I've bought blueprints/photos/instructions before on eBay on how to build a 2x4 hot rod Model A frame but that was $20.. sorry for the rant, just couldn't believe the price the guy is asking for this...better be some real good secret tips

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Sad part is he's sold some already for around $160.

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thats just crazy that someone would pay that. I would pay 20 bux just to have it lol. If you just do a little searching on here you will have all the info he has or more.

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high price for "sharing" his info.......

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Not to mention the guy probably got most of his ideas of these websites... LOL.

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You here that Grimss!! Darn it, we missed the boat again. I've got to be more greedy.

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Putting all the info in one place... easy to access CD full of data....
That'd be worth $50 to me... but over $200 ??????

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he's not the first to sell info, bet all the guys that were selling books in the days before the "net" came along were swimming in royalties but crying these days.

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No joke, wish we had a counter on the body mount drawing just to see how many times it was looked at.


Also he has the drawing of the firewall diagram, but you would think he would show the firewall done.

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I wish I could come up with some idea like this,Like all those 19.95 tv specials that people actually buy.
I got real close to buying an AD engineering kit for $900 till I found this site for which I will be forever thankful.
BUT WAIT THERES MORE!

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I emailed him and asked him about it, he said that all the jobs on sites like these basically look disgusting when you look underneath them with all these pieces welded everywhere and he uses all the S10 mounts so it doesn't looked hacked and you can get the truck lower...I said I'd pay $50 for the info & pics just to see if it's a better or easier option..I thought it'd be worth about that but he wasn't having it...guess I need to start charging for all the air ride info I've given over the past few years haha

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Interesting comment from him since he does not show any pictures of HIS frame mods in the ad, just a poor firewall drawing and pictures of half built trucks.

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I say we all go together buy the blue prints and pass them out on here since we do such a poor job of doing our own.
I never realise how miserable my life is until I see some great 19.95 item that's going to make my life absolutely wonderful when I buy it.

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Hey... for that info... for what it's worth... I'm in for $20...

Anyone else?

I'm pretty sure you don't need to sign a confidentiality agreement before you buy! :crazy:

Cheers,
Ted.

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Well two years ago guys were forking over how many $$$$$$$$$$$ for the "kit" that was being sold to install the AD truck bodies on S-10 chassis and one of our own presented with the drawings that allowed anyone here to either make his/her own or carry the plans to any welding shop and have the brackets made for a pretty reasonable price.
Now this guy is hoping that enough guys are a bit frustrated when trying to figure out how to do the swap and bite on the bait he has thrown out. No doubt there will be enough guys bite on it and hit the buy now and sooner or later someone will show up here expounding on the great plans and blueprints for that swap that they found on Ebay.
All I know is that since scrap metal went sky high and the S-10 frame swaps became so popular dead S-10 pickups around this area are hard to find and spendy.

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im very tempted to buy the front portio of the ad engineering kit for the radiator and cab, its half the price. I just don't want to have to take the body off 20 times and move body mounts. Is there a thread on here with a very detailed instructions? all i can find are short descriptions and not bery many pics.

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Read through Jeff's thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=294539 He pretty well did the hard work and figuring out on this for the rest of us.
As mentioned previously in this thread you can use his drawings and photos to make your own brackets or you can take the drawings (I'd copy and take the photos too) to any decent welding shop and have them made for a pretty reasonable cost.

On these trucks even with stock frames there is always a lot of fitting up to get everything looking just right.

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I saw an add on ebay on how to put power steering on 60-66 trucks using parts from 67-80 trucks. I forgot how much he was wanting but I looked to see how many he had sold and :sumo: my pants.

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guy says hes sold 39 of these kits...so that's $8,775.00

kinda thought about emailing someone who bought one and asking them about it see if his ideas are any better or if it's just a big rip off

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We forget that there are guys who want to do things on their trucks that don't have one clue on how to do simple things that most of us take for granted and jump at the chance to buy blueprints or plans or books to do said changes and modifications.

Some people have no search skills, no visualization skills and limited mechanical experience and they are probably the ones who buy those things the most.

Just think if Jeff had decided to put his whole build with drawings on a power point presentation with blueprint style drawings and sell CD's or Downloads of it he would probably be gathering in a few of those bucks.

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guess we should stop talking about this...just found out the guy is an active member on this site

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Any clues where he compiled the information from then?:haha:

Would be interesting to find out what's on the CD and from which "ideas" he's taken his information from. We all post it for free as a learning experience to others with the same ambitions, but I'd be annoyed if someone was pulling a profit from it!

Information is free on sites like this and should always remain so. If he's compiled the info from his own experiences and not those posted by our brothers and sisters here, then so be it... but then again... as an active member we'd kinda hope that info is shared from all.

Just my 2 cents...

Cheers,
Ted.

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Agreed and Agreed! My opinion is that there are two kits on the market today that fit the bill for those who aren't able to fabricate the mounts themselves. And, I believe most of the mounts we see here on this board are a derivation of the AD Engineering kit (lowered of course).

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I think the AD Engineering kit may be a derivation of all of ours. You are trying to put X wide on X wide and you go from there. Chances are, you'll come up with a similar situation. I made mine before I saw an AD Engineering kit. They make a nice kit for those with no clue and want to be bolt on and go. By the time you work a few days sorting all of the little things out, it might be worth the money they are asking.

They may not have invented the orange, but they are doing a great marketing plan. I never see one of them as a sponsoring member yet everyone talks about them both. How many dozens of posts of "which kit is better" do we see even on this site? Even this thread has gone from a CD of "blueprints" to AD/EZ talk!

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Hold on . . . excuse me while I climb on my soap box. Ok – made it. It sucks getting old; my knees creek just getting on a metaphorical rant. I love this place. I can’t tell you the joy I get when people see the work I’ve done on my truck, and they think I came up with it all on my own. To the people I know (when they ask) I tell them where the ideas came from and I occasionally give credit, but for most that see my work, I just let them believe I’m as good as most of you here on this board; that I’m as talented as the guys I aspire to be like here and whose ideas I’ve unabashedly stolen, copied, and derived. In turn, I hope what I’ve done will be stolen, copied, and derived in the way that good ideas are spread. If a guy wants to make a buck off me then I guess that’s ok. It’s not the first time, nor will it be the last. Maybe his kids are tired of Mac N Cheese every night. If there isn’t a perceived market, his plans wouldn’t sell. Welcome to capitalism, at least 39 times worth. I’ll end with this: I’m not smart enough, nor do I have the generational advice that could teach me what I’ve learned here through each one of you guy’s generosity. That is the take home message. Keep sharing, stealing, and building awesome trucks. In the end, who cares how many brush strokes are in the Mona Lisa.

Please disagree with me. I'm in one of those moods today.

Jeff

P.S. I'm not "The Guy"

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Are there any orginial ideas. I think not. Everything you know you saw it or read it somewhere else.:smoke:

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Jeff, I disagree with you.

Happy now?

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I am the guy selling the bluprints, not picking on you personally, just found this conversation on here and thought seeing how you were on line i would clear things up with you guys,my work seems to be getting slammed.And you can pass this on to all your friends. I am sorry if you guys are offended, i havent tried to present these blueprints on here, you guys brought it up. And for the record i have only posted a few pictures because a few have asked to see my trucks.My blueprints are compiled of my ideas only, not one single thing can be linked to this site or anyones ideas on here. And thought i would let you all know that i am up to 70 guys building from this print in 30 states and not one complaint, only happy buyers who i help every day when they call needing followup info and help........sorry for making a honest living on my ideas,hope you all realise there is two sides to every story, i have been out of work for over two years and my ideas have got me through......good luck to all........

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I don't think that the issue was that you were offering the plans up for sale but the fact that there seemed to be so many people willing to fork over a pocket full of cash for something that can readily be found on the net in a number of places. The end results may or may not be as "clean" as your concept but from following Tim's build and checking his plans for the mounts his way is pretty clean in my book.

If your plans help people with somewhat limited experience or skills build a decent and safe truck that alone is more than worth the price of the plans. And maybe we are just amazed at your marketing skills.

I'm not a fan of pulling the sheet metal off a good solid original frame and swapping it over to the S10 frame but I do have a spare cab sitting on a pallet in the shed that would be a great candidate for an S-10 frame job. The trouble locally is that the dead S10 trucks that were sitting around with a pile of trash in the back five years ago have either been hauled for scrap or the people who have them think they are worth more than a running driving truck because "all them hot rodders are using them".

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I would have to say i have never really spent much time looking at other builds on here, but there are many talented men on here that have common interests and have built some fine trucks. I would in no way dismantle a good driver to make this swap,agreeing with you. But from my exsperience in putting 4 AD trucks together with the s-10 chassis i will say they make one heck of a truck. You are also right about the s-10 beaters, they have increased in price latley. I stock piled 3 for back up and allways keep my eyes open for another. I would also like to say that there is probably a lot of info on the web on these swaps, but not to much of what i would call good numbers and details. So thats why i decided to spend hours putting this together with all the measurments and picture details. The firewall template that comes with it has saved guys hours of time. I am currently building a 1950 rust free nebraska truck. I completly mounted the body, sandblasted the s-10 doner frame and have it rolling with brakes and steering in 3 days using my own blueprint as the guide. i have some pictures on ls1 tech of my just finished 1948 ls1 5speed truck.......i will try to get a few on here.......hope to see you on the road.

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rog540wag, I would love to see some pictures of the ones you did. Not to steal any ideas just because I would like to see them. I have done one and am working on another one and will be doing one for myself sometime way down the road. I know what/how it works for me on doing them. I used the mount drawing from on here (thank you) but used the material sizes of what I had. Plus I make my floor structure out of box tube so it is different than the stock floor. Everything else I make too like the radiator supports and bed mounts. It seems to work out really well.

Shannon

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You sir are a stand-up guy for your responses and I think what you've done is great. I seems to clear up what everybody was wondering, if this is common information re-packaged or not and it sounds like these are your original plans. If you put your effort into helping other people in this hobby and they're willing to pay for it then who can fault you? Free enterprise at it's best, there is no ethical quandry here for me. Although I wouldn't pay for the information because like you said we all have different abilities motivations, I personally know people that would be happy to have the information. I was talking to a hot rodder friend last week, who contributes tech articles to books that his friend publishes on hot rodding that can be found at any bookstore. He's old and savvy on the internet. They make money from the books but they didn't invent wiring, bodywork, etc, just decided there was a market to help explain it more clearly. When somebody wants to know how to wire his hot rod and can go to the library for a book with glossy photos and step-by-step instructions and are willing to pay for it I say win-win.

I think many of the posters are wondering why people aren't motivated to find some this information on their own, there could be alot of reasons for that but bottom line is not everybody knows/likes/enjoys internet forums or google searches. Last weekend we visited a wealthy friend who just retired and has bought a shop and loaded it with classics. He tinkers, builds, and has some cool cars but never spends time on the internet. He is smart enough to find anything on the internet but he chooses to do things the old fashioned way. He's searching for a frame for his '64 el camino but will do it by word-of-mouth, newspaper classifieds, country cruising, etc. That's just his style. He's the kind of guy that would (and could without blinking) pay for a set of AD truck on S-10 frame plans. Even if I printed every thread ever written about it and delievered it to him, he still would.

There is something to this mentality though...I was telling Grant Peterson (Classic Trucks) about this forum when I met him at a show and he laughed and said "Yeah, I don't do the internet because it sucks you in and leaves no time to work on my trucks". So true!

Remember we're a smally community with common interests...if you like AD trucks on S-10 frames then you're ok in my book and welcome to the board!

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Thanks for you reply, i am working on getting some pictures on here. If you go to ls1 tech web site and go to conversions and hybrids and type in 1948 5.3 5 spd truck you should be able to find one of my trucks......Thanks.

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Well Said. ;)

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LEEVON well said.

rog540wag, That would be great. I will check out the other site in the mean time. Thank you.

Shannon

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Thanks for the understanding response. I created another thread and included a few more pictures. I am no computer whiz and am not sure how to url upload, so i am limited....looks like you have some awsome projects going on....thanks again.

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:metal:Good to see someone making $$$$.. If I had some extra I would get some plans. Untill then I'll just spend hours looking up stuff most people already know.;)

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mr48 put it well, i just start fabbing it to fit. when someone asks how i did it, i can't say exactly how...

rog540wag had the patience to put it all together and sell it. free enterprise at it's best.

i should do that to... nah, to busy being unemployed/retired :D:D:D

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rog540wag, I try to find it on LS1 tech but there search is terrible. Could you post a link to it. Thank you.

Shannon

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Shannon here you go

http://ls1tech.com/forums/conversion...evy-truck.html