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I have a question about 1971 and 1972 4wd short bed trucks. Was the color of the original Spicer hub turn outs made only in blue? I have been told blue was the only color in the 71 and 72 short bed 4wd. Also, would anyone know what that color of blue for the turn hubs is?
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70 is red, 71-72 blue, 73-77(?) mustard yellow. As for the color blue we’ll i can’t answer that part they are just blue.
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=618455 This thread amongst plenty of others, might give you an idea. |
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Thank you for the info. I had completely forgot about the yellow hubs being on the 73 and up trucks. Once I started paying attention I have noticed that some of the original hubs I've seen on trucks have faded, a couple that are all white, but still original. In fact I have 2 on my truck and want to get them back to blue. Just need to research how to do it. Thx. again.
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yes, blue for you - and just to be clear for those that may ready this later - color of the hub has nothing to do with wheelbase. Same for short and long beds.
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Thx. Jocko, I had seen a long bed 71 that had a blue hub but it seemed a much darker blue than the few I have seen on short beds, that could be for any number of reasons I guess, ( fading on some hubs or refurbished hubs, etc. )
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Just one blue used for all K/5-K/10 and K/20 hubs. They are molded in color, so there is no paint color other than one that looks the same. Look at N.O.S. knob pictures and find a close color
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71 K1500 with it's original lock outs...
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Old thread, but always good discussions. 1968-1969 K10's/ 1969 K/5's used the red dials GM 3937068 https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...1&d=1557142220 1970-1972 K/5 / K10's used the blue dials GM 3979551 https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...1&d=1510112393 1973-1980 K/5 /K10's used mustard dials GM 6259019 https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/K9EAA...6U/s-l1600.jpg 1970- early 1971 K/20 used red dials https://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vbo...1&d=1595875886 1971-1972 K/20 used blue dials 3995867 https://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vbo...1&d=1705849600 1973-early 1977 K20 used mustard dials 6259022 https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/YHwAA...Gj/s-l1600.jpg https://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vbo...1&d=1603214590 |
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I don’t think that is correct, the closed knuckle axles (‘69 and before) used the hub lock aluminum dials as far as I’ve ever seen. Taking it a step further ford did use the red dials as well in the late 60’s-early 70’s.
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Parts book lists 1968 and 1969 with the Spicer lockout hubs..
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Very Interesting no doubt about it. Anyone ever seen this in real life?? I’d love to learn more about it.
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1969 Blazers used the open knuckle drum brake Dana 44 from what I have run across.
Here a 1968 K10: From BAT: https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1365 https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1536 https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1365 A St. Louis 1970 K10 with faded red dials: https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1536 https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1536 An early Janesville 1970 K10 with faded blue dials: https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1536 https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...size=620%2C413 |
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in my experience 70 K series was the only year for open knuckle drum brakes, 69 and older was closed knuckle drum brakes. so were blazers different in 69 and got the open knuckle front before the K series trucks ? i've never owned a 69 blazer, only 71 and 72s but i've owned several 70 K series trucks with open knuckle /drum fronts and a few 69 K series trucks with closed knuckle/drum fronts.
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Truthfully 69 open knuckle drum on a blazer wouldn’t totally surprise me, as it was the first year and only model in the 69 year to have the option of the 205. Everything else used the Rockwell until ‘70 when the rest of the K fleet started using the 205. If I’m not mistaken I’m pretty sure you could get a th350/205 in the 69 blazer as well. Again a 69 model year and k5 only combo, until ‘70. Truthfully I’m still quite skeptical of the 68 and earlier red dials and red dials on anything earlier than ‘70 save possibly the blazer. The reason I say this is because I’ve personally seen a bunch of pre ‘70 trucks with the early hub loks and never a single red dial on anything other than a ‘70. (Again blazer stuff is a bit more believable to me because of the aforementioned reasons)
I surely will research this in the coming days as I could definitely be wrong, no offense but one truck off of BAT doesn’t prove much to me when there is a ton of documentation on here that indicates other wise. |
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Not to say the GM partsbooks are gospel, but they are compelling...
1969 Blazers with the open knuckle front Dana and red hub dial: https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1536 https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1536 https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1536 Another: https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1857 https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1361 https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1361 Another: https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...?fit=940%2C627 https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1536 https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1536 Another: https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...size=620%2C413 https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...size=620%2C413 https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1536 |
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Here is a pic of a stock appearing 1968 K10 with faded red hub knobs:
https://cdn.dealeraccelerate.com/nor...short-bed.webp https://cdn.dealeraccelerate.com/nor...short-bed.webp 1969 K10 with closed knuckle Dana 44 and red knobs: https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1366 https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1536 https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1366 |
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Another 1968 K10:
https://vehicle-images.dealerinspire...14f74a17b0.jpg https://vehicle-images.dealerinspire...b46bdcf0dd.jpg Another: https://barnfinds.com/wp-content/upl...0-Shortbed.jpg https://barnfinds.com/wp-content/upl...or-630x420.jpg Another: https://assets.rebelmouse.io/media-l...=0%2C0%2C0%2C0 https://assets.rebelmouse.io/media-l...760&quality=90 |
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Nice pictures, but without full information they don't necessarily represent 100% original equipment. I don't know about the '69 Blazers being open knuckle or why they would be different from trucks in '69. But, most definitely, all trucks from '69-back had the all metal lockout hubs. Those are also Spicer, therefore are listed as such in the GM parts books. I haven't checked my book, but I'd imagine those have a different part# from the '70-ups
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Not sure of color but I have seen two variations in complete NOS Lockout sets I have had in the past. I am having some reproduced and will have them available near the end of the week.
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1968 half ton was red. Don't know the exact cutoff of the red half ton dials, but my March 1970 St. Louis Blazer always had the blue dials as verified by my father who put the first miles on it. I have personally owned it since 1987 when it had 50k miles on it and had bald original tires on it. |
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https://torqueking.com/category/axle...dana-44/#y=577
Seems at least according to torque king the open knuckle 69 blazer is quite possibly a reality, which I’m not totally surprised about as I said before. I’m still not sold on the dials on non K/5’s pre ‘70. It’s been a while since I’ve played with the aluminum dials but I seem to remember that they don’t directly interchange with the plastic dial hubs. someone correct me if I’m wrong. It’s been a decade or more since I’ve messed with the spicer hub loks. I’m not surprised on your blazer having blue dials from the factory either. I’ve seen other original later model year 70’s that had blue dials in the past. |
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I find it laughable that all of those 1968 trucks I located were converted over after the fact with red knobs. We will agree to disagree. |
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JoesJunk had an original low mile 1971 with red dials. Our guess was they came from the factory that way.
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Here is one of joesjunk 1971 K20's with the red hub dials
https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...highlight=HUBS https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...1&d=1140927064 |
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https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...ed#post8933060
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My bad ! 1971 3/4 Ton
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This info is from the May 1979 edition of the Chevrolet 1947-72 1/2 Thru 1 Ton Trucks Series 10-20-30 Chassis & Body parts Catalog K Series 10 67-69 - PN 3936253 K Series 10 68-69 - PN 3937063 K5 K Series 10 70-72 - PN 3979550 K5 I don't find it laughable that you found all those restored trucks with incorrect locking hubs. To be honest, I didn't look thoroughly through them because they are too big for this site. You didn't say what you thought about the all original truck I showed. |
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Let's go over all of this again.. https://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vbo...1&d=1440815693 3936253 is listed as the Warren semi auto type in the June, 1971 parts book 3937063 (Dana Spicer 26133-1x) is the Dana/Spicer half ton locking hub assembly, with the red plastic knob. So, there is some overlap. Some 1968-69 trucks had the Warren semi lock style, some had the Spicer. This kit is GM 3979550 (Dana Spicer 26133-3x), which has the blue knob. Otherwise the 1x kit is identical: https://www.mahdikalani.com/static/8...d568249fb0.jpg Some of those trucks I listed were not restored. I will say that the green 1968 Fleetside SWB was restored to a VERY high level, and I didn't see where the owner had substituted incorrect parts on it. Highly doubt that he would have used the wrong hubs on it. Also, 3979551 (Dana Spicer 34916-3) is listed as fitting 1968-72 half tons/Blazers. They are the blue plastic version https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...1&d=1494647539 https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...1&d=1494647585 |
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You show the same thing I showed. I'm trying hard to see how you get out of that the 68/69 knobs are red plastic. It's the '70s that had red plastic and their part # is the same as the blue 71/72s. GM parts is not a restoration business, it's a replacement part business. They will supercede a part with one that works if the original design is depleted from stock. If the 68/69 hub assemblies listed are red plastic with chrome retainer rings, it could be that GM had Spicer make a batch so they could continue providing replacement parts to comply with the law that requires mfgrs to provide replacement parts for 10 years. And since Spicer changed the design, they would have made new assemblies to work with the closed knuckle Dana44s in that design. I do know, from my experience of dealing with and owning these 4wds, that from the factory the '69-back K/10s came from the factory with the metal Spicer hubs. I have never owned a '69 blazer and never been well acquainted with one, I can say that. I believe it could be possible that the Warn (GM misprint) semi auto hubs are what came on '69-only Blazers and those would be Warn's Loc-O-Matics. They would interchange with the K/10 hubs as a replacement. Those came bronze with red painted in the recessed area. The most original '69 Blazer pictures I have found show the knobs as yellowish, certainly not red, and they aren't the design as the plastic ones. My guess is those are the Warns with the red paint gone
As far as GM superceding a newer design part in place of the original design due to depletion of stock, Have had experienced that many times. I remember I got all excited, in the early-80s when I began ordering still available 67-72 parts, when the parts guy found the 69-72 steering wheels were still available but only in black. I ordered one, it came in, and it was a '73 style wheel. I've had it happen over and over again. I have bought front wheel bearings for a '71 K/20, way back then, that had "Made In Japan" stamped into the race rim. I am willing to accept that somehow I never saw or owned 68/69 that came from the factory with plastic hubs before if I see proof. But in my years of dealing with these 4wds parts I have had more guys than I can count asking if I had the original all metal Spicer hubs for their pre-70 K/10s |
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SOME 1970 K10'S/K/5'S with F76 had the red knobs. ALL 1970 K20 with F76 had the red knobs. The October, 1968 parts book which also covers 1969 models shows 3937068 red plastic knob, which was changed to 3979551 blue plastic knob in 1/1971 per the 1/73 parts history book. That's why you will see the later parts books specify 1968-72 using the 3979551 blue knob. I have shown MANY examples of 1969 Blazers, which used the open knuckle drum brake Dana 44, with red knobs. I have shown MANY 1968 AND 1969 K10'S with closed knuckle drum brake Dana 44's, also with the same red plastic knobs as the 1969 Blazers. Many GM parts books show 1968 as the transition year to the K/10 Dana/Spicer locking hubs that utilize the plastic hub knobs. Many of the internal hub parts interchange from 1968-1972 and even later than that! As was shown, 1968 and 1969 also used the "Warn" semi lock hubs, so it appears either was used. See older thread: https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=251398 Also: Quote:
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The ones on my 68 short fleet may have been painted red like the early red design but were made of what appeared to be brass. They never had any indication of ever having red on them in the past but were identical in appearance to the early red hubs posted in this thread so i dont think they were aftermarket. I ended up polishing the copper/brass.
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I can buy that no Blazer ever had a closed axle, though I don't understand why. I do understand why only the K/5s had the NP205 available. That's only because in '69 only K/5s got the automatic transmission. I can accept that GM wanted to try the new design Dana 44 in the Blazers. I still don't know about what you think about the original '68 K/10 I showed that has the old style Spicer lockouts. It either means that's what came on '68 K/10s or it means all these hubs interchange and all this talk is moot. From my experience, since 1973 with 4wds, has been the pte-70 trucks came with the all metal Spicers from factory. I have had K/5s, but only 70-72 Is there any way you could post your pictures so they fit the page? Like I said, I have not looked at your photos thoroughly and that's the reason, too big. Also, you do realize that white '68 K/10 is sitting on K/20 axles, right? Must be later small hubs |
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Here is a post regarding a 1967 K10 with the Warn hub on one side and the red knob Dana Spicer hub on the other side...
https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=804582 I am searching hi and low for photographic evidence to support my statement that 3937068 is indeed the red plastic knob. |
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Per Chevrolet Truck Conversion List December 1973:
We know that 3979551 are the blue plastic knobs We know that 6259019 are the yellow plastic knobs. Pretty good chances 3937068 are the red plastic knobs. |
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1960-67 K10 is not in scope for this discussion. Focus here is 1968 and newer. From what I have researched is either hub was available from GM. Hub knob color transition is still up in the air. SOME 1970 K/5-K/10's had red. Many came with the blue, such as my 3/70 built Blazer.
K20 hub usage is very clear. 1970 was the initial year of the external Spicer locking hubs with red plastic knob with no Spicer lettering. SOME early 1971 K20's had the red, then transition to blue with Spicer lettering. |
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