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There are lots of articles with opinions pro and con about EVs, but here are some actual text message comments by a guy I know who has been selling Fords for at least 10 years now:

Me: Are you still working at the Ford place? How are things going there?

Him: Sales are OK, but the economy is still screwed up. That and the EV BS that Ford is trying to shove down our throats.

Me: Yes, I've heard that Ford is all-in on EVs. Way too soon, and a major mistake, IMO. Are the EV pickups and Mach-Es selling?

Him: They are pretty much just sitting on our lot. Other mfrs have the same problems.

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Who da thunk it, shove something down the American public’s throat that isn’t wanted in the quantities/scale we are being by told and no one buys them. I genuinely hope the manufactures continue to loose there asses on this stuff big time.

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So much for EV's going mainstream. :lol:

Trying to force feed something that the Country is not ready for.
Besides the fact the biggest percentage of American's Don't want them.

:chevy::chevy::chevy:

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I have been seeing this video on YouTube lately but wasn't really interested in watching it. This thread prompted me to take the time to watch it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWqduwbKLA8

I think it is a well made video and provides some insight to the discussion....

A production truck that goes from 0-60 in 4 seconds?????? Wow!

LockDoc

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wow
just don't understand the negativity of americans towards ev's. especially as gearheads, how can you not like something that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds?
not saying you have to buy or like an ev, but their not being shoved down anybody's throat, you can buy an ice car anytime, anywhere. they have their place, just as ice cars have there's.
as a owner and lover of a bbc, i wish they would sell more ev's, if enough get sold, gas loses it's value and the price comes down-simple economics.
for the majority of trips people make everyday (100 miles or less) ev's are fine, want to go further, drive your ice car. i see ev's as a good complement to ice cars, not a replacement
although ev sales are not that great in the us, they are selling very good in the rest of the world, which again, means 20 million less cars today buying gas, meaning more gas for those of us that drive 5 mpg bbc's
i'm not going to debate driving range, battery life or how much pollution is created making ev's cause ice cars are just as if not more dirty, i just don't see the reason for all the negativity, as before, don't like em, don't buy one-easy peasy.
would i buy an ev car? no, i haven't owned a car in close to 40 yrs, i'm a truck guy. but if i had enough money, i would definitely have an ev hummer parked next to the 454 crewcab in my driveway.

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The new EV Technology is cool, But Don’t take away my Hot Rod

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Not correct. In California we now have a law that makes it illegal to buy ICE vehicles. It will be phased in starting in 2026, zero ICE sales in 2035.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/cal...-for-2035.html

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1. Governments forcing us to buy them. And taxpayers giving rebates to buyers!
2. Price premium over standard cars and trucks
3. Range anxiety on long distance trips -- The distance between charging stations, having to wait in line when you get there, and then hoping the charger(s) there work.
4. Rolling blackouts coming to your neighborhood soon.

On another note, while quick 0-60 times are cool, is that kind of acceleration needed for daily drivers, mom's SUV, work trucks, etc? Also, driving like that significantly affects an EV's already limited range.

But other than that...

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Remember, the Boston Tea Party (and the nine other tea parties across the colonies) weren't about taxes - they were about the king telling Americans where they could buy their tea and from whom.

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i see chicken little yelling the sky is falling.
anybody anywhere in north america can still buy ice cars. they will never be "illegal". even CA 2035 rule still allows ice cars. and i ain't seen no gov anywhere holding a gun to my head and telling me kind of vehicle i have to buy.
i would be curious as to how many board members actually have bought a new car in the last couple yrs. guarentee the majority of vehicles bought by board members are used, so why even worry about whatever is going to happen in 10-20-30 yrs down the road if your not even buying new cars now.

as to "rebates", i'm old enough to remember rebates for switching ice cars to propane or NG, old enough to remember rebates given to homeowners to upgrade to hi efficiency furnaces or appliances, rebates are not exclusive to just ev's.
and ya, there more expensive right now as the technology grows and improves, just like when ice cars came out a 100 yrs ago, or better airplanes for travel or safer nuclear power....
never said to get rid of ice, i say there a complement to ice, for short travel there sufficent, longer travel, ice. where i live you can't go more than 10 miles and you hit a charger. 90% of all new home construction we do, home chargers are pretty much standard. we didn't get a gas station on every corner in just 20 yrs, give it some time
blackouts? naw, most power companies are upgrading or will be upgrading their infrastructure to meet demand...just like we drill more oil wells to meet demand. hydro power and nuclear can easily make up any future demands.
i suspect the animosity towards ev's is more political than practical, like i said, why would gearheads dump on something that saves more fuel for the ice vehicles we restore and drive

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I have, but not for myself and not voluntarily. My government has used my money to pay for other people's purchase of EVs without asking me if I think it's a good idea.

I'm not opposed to EVs. But if they're a good idea, they shouldn't need taxpayer money to prop them up. It's a question of central planning (socialism) versus a market economy.

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Green Energy no matter what form will never stand alone.

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I don't mind EV's if that's work for you. I just don't want big brother telling what I can and can't buy.
Where are all the charging stations that have been I think 7 billion dollars allocated?
Do hotels along the interstate have charging stations for all their guests?
In CA this summer the state government said don't plug in your EV's because the burden on the grid is too high.
For my sister in MPLS where most of her trips are short maybe an EV is right for her.
Most home owners don't have a 220V outlet except maybe for an electric dryer and it's only single phase. The best EV chargers as I understand are 3 phase. Who has a three phase outlet in their house?
And today where is all this electricity coming from? Currant bushes? Not solar and wind.
I think EV hot rods are cool. I would never spend 110K to own one.

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After 2035 you will not be able to buy a new ICE vehicle in CA NY is doing the same . You will not be able to buy one out of state and bring it into the state either . So if you want a ICE your relegated to the used market . I have nothing against EVs buy one if you want to I
believe the people who did want them bought already . Been reading about high inventory of EVs at dealerships since August.

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MikeB and I stated facts. Your response is rude and ignorant. I think you should do some more research. I work for a power utility in CA, this is a very real issue.

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CURRENT LAW states that in 2026 I think it’s like 25% of new sales in the state must be EV. I don’t know how they plan to enforce it, but I’m sure it will be imposed on dealers. I can see some potential issues for someone wanting to buy an ICE vehicle if they haven’t sold enough EV’s. But we will see.

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CT was trying to pass a similar law in ICE vehicles but Gov. Lamont pulled it because it was clear it wasn’t going to pass in the legislature.

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Was it this week or last week 3900 dealerships signed onto a letter sent to Biden that EV's are not selling? With an interview with a dealership owner said he has 1 years worth of EV's in stock and they just aren't selling.

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My brother in law has two Tesla's. Has recently said home charging cost is equivalent to gas prices here. I do not see any need for us to get an ev. Only has limitations for our use.

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exactly!
a complement to ice, not replacement

we'll see
i remember CARB saying electric and zero cars back in the '80's and '90's.

ignorant?
really?
PG&E is currently spending 2.5 billion to upgrade for more electric use and for electric cars
from
California Public Utilities Commision
Both proposed decisions approve PG&E investing more than $2.5 billion in upgrading the electric distribution system from 2023-2026, which will help prepare the grid to support initiatives like building electrification and new connections to the system like electric vehicle charging and new housing and businesses.Sep 13, 2023

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almost all home chargers i see being installed are 2 phase/240 volt, which pretty much every house has....unless your living in a tent.
not the fastest, but for overnight there sufficent. and if you don't have it, any electrican can wire one in in just a hr or two
and ya, i wish the ev hummer wasn't over a hundred grand...:waah:

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Where EVs really shine is in city traffic . Their efficiency is at its peak unlike ICE vehicles but their efficiency drops in highway situations . The faster you go the more drain on the battery . So EVs work very well for city dwellers but most live in apartments with no way to charge the car. And if your lucky enough to have parking there is no infrastructure to charge . A 120 plug charger is painfully slow a 220 unit is faster but how many can a garage (commercial) install without a major re wiring . A level 3 charger is fast but you do risk shortening the battery life . It’s like any battery multible slow charges are much better for it than a fast charge . So where EVs make sense it’s hard to use them .

I know a couple of people who own EVs and guess what they also own an ICE vehicle too. They use the EV for around town and short trips . I’d like to get one one day for the same use but I can’t justify the expense .

The technology isn’t there yet to make them viable for the masses . The crap with tax credits is really stupid . The person who buys a 75k car isn’t hurting for money. They are just reaping a benefit on something they would have purchased anyway .

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Speaking of tax credits I remember the CNG credits years ago . That flopped too because of infrastructure too even Con Edison’s abandoned CNG and they are the supplier for electric and natural gas . The guy who comes to read the electric meter drive a Jeep . They aren’t using electric wonder why?

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Here in B.C. Can. I don,t know how the younger generation is going to survive never mind afford a EV . They can barely afford mortgage payment with both couples working full time with the inflation we have. More and more homeless

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2019 Volt here;

I ran the numbers and it is about 1/8 the cost for me to operate on electrons rather than gasoline.

K

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My son has 2 EVs and we talk about it now and again. I did the math and it would actually be cheaper for me to charge than gasoline but I don't trust the range as of yet, especially the way I drive. lol

Not to mention I don't need another task to perform every day after work. I know I can plug in only when needed but I would be the type to always top off.

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Our cheap rates start at 7pm. When the clock chimes either my wife or I will be reminded to go plug the car in (aka "Pavlov's EV drivers").

My wife is so frugal she will turn lights off with me sitting in the room. I plugged the car in at 6:54 one day and you would think she was never going to recover financially from that.

K

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Haha that's great. I wish my daughter and her family, who live with me, were frugal.

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Rates here are the same at 1pm as they are at 1am . No cheap rate my meter just keeps on turning . When electricity was cheap like when my all electric home was built it didn’t matter . But if I were to use my baseboard heat and keep it @65 my monthly bill would be well over $800 in the winter . When it was built maybe 75$ @70 degrees . I had to replace the water heater years ago with a propane unit .

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I don’t care if it goes 0-60 in a nano second… I’m a life long gear head and EV’s lack overall style and any real cool factor that appeals to me. They are not practical or functional for the area of the USA I live in. Just to get to the nearest large scale airport for example is a 400 mile round trip, with basically no human civilization between point A and B.

You see my Canadian friend, the reason for the distaste of EV’s for the majority of us who don’t want them here in the US starts from our founding, we have a clear history of not liking it when our govt overreaches. This has happened with EV’s on a large scale. If you chose to ignore that I’m happy for you. Apparently there’s still enough red blooded Americans here to let the market decide… for now any way. I do certainly agree they have there place, but not as the ONLY future option we are presented with, which is very much the current plan if you pay attention. Wind and solar ain’t generating the extra power needed for all the charging and the US has been downsizing coal fire plants left and right over the last several years, one of which is less than 5 miles from my house actually. I’ll keep my big ass choppy cam, and have a side of classic American style (or on the case of my 2010 Camaro SS, American and Canadian style), anyone else who wants an EV can gladly have my share of the supply.

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Thanks Keith, that cracked me up. I do respect the frugality, but those 6 minutes will probably not do you in :lol:

57TF, good summary!

DieselDawg, thanks for the challenges and the points you made, even if not everybody appreciates how you made them. Mostly stated elsewhere, but here's my own summary to explain why it's such a negative reaction. First, we don't like being told what to do. Second, we don't like the government spending our money to push an agenda. Third, it feels like it is threatening our hobby and a major source of enjoyment. I know I have some concern that gas will not become cheaper and that the government will erode our infrastructure for supplying it in order to further push the agenda. However, the oil lobby is huge. What works in this country is to let people decide for themselves. EVs can make a strong case for their own value, the government doesn't need to do it for them. Many people are going to decide that an EV fits their needs. The strongest change will happen when people buy their second EV and their first one hits the used car market. That will allow people in a different income bracket to experience whatever value the EV can provide for them - no need to try to push it along.

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They make it sound like upgrading our electrical grid will happen in the snap of one's fingers. It's antiquated and insufficient already. It will take more then billions.

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My Blazer has cost me $9280 over the last four years - that's the total cost of ownership, including fuel, insurance, maintenance, and no payments. I don't think I can touch that with an EV. Even with the maintenance I'm currently doing (all bearings, seals, and ball joints on the front differential), that's less than my daughter's monthly payment on her 2022 Hyundai hybrid.

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And at the press conference they had following this, Howdy Doody (Lamont) was clearly irritated that it wasn't going to pass. He clearly said this isn't over.
Count me in as someone that thinks if someone wants an EV, fine. But don't shove it down our throats.

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"2-phase" is an older term that is no longer used. Homes use single phase electricity. Level II home chargers are 220-240 volt, typically 30 or 40 amps, but can be up to 80 amps if your service panel can handle the extra load and the circuit uses 4-gauge wire.

On the other hand, Superchargers like Tesla has on the highways are 480 volt 3-phase and around 100 amps or more, best I can tell. But I think they currently work only with Teslas.

However, home charging is not the main problem (except for contributing to brown-outs). The problem is what's available out on the highways. We love the southwest, and do a fair amount a traveling from Texas to New Mexico, Arizona, and Colorado. Have to say it's rare to see an EV out on the highways away from the medium to large towns. That's probably different on the coasts, especially the west coast.

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Exactly! For those of you who regularly travel or live in the western US you know there’s very little EVs ever on the roads out side of civilization. Even in the small town I live in it’s pretty rare to see one, not saying there aren’t any, but definitely not many.

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Let me ask this. Has the prez replaced HIS mid 60's Vette convertible with an EV yet?

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:lol: There you go, asking a question when you already know the answer! :lol:

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Seriously doubt that the entire DC fleet of armor plated blacked out Suburbans will be replaced by EVs either. :lol:

EVs will at some point come about but let it happen as the driving public wants and can AFFORD to purchase such. That and let's be sure our current national electric grid can handle everyone plugging in for a charge at the end of the day. At this point in time we are not there.

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Anyone read about the guy in Canada that bought a Ford Lighting 150 and tried to drive it to MPLS? It didn't go well. Made it part way and then had to abandon the 150 and get a ICE rental of some sort.
The Lighting was somewhere north of 100K.
It was some time this summer or early fall.