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6600DURAMAX 05-21-2023 02:05 PM

Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
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Having a bear of a time getting this hydro boost to bleed and or function correctly -makes me wonder a few things ...... I have the vehicle on jack stands - no wheels . I have turn the steering wheel 20-30 times lock to lock and still have air. When I start the truck the pedal feels awful -wont return all the way, the steering feels crappy as well. Then when I shut it off the reservoir overflows everywhere .....

Do I have a hose routed incorrectly ?? What gives ......

Its a new hydroboost unit and new/rebuild PS gear box

6600DURAMAX 05-21-2023 02:06 PM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
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here is the ps box

Richard 05-21-2023 03:05 PM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
Kind of hard to tell exactly where the hoses are going to in the pictures. In the second picture the hose routed over the hydroboost should go the PS pump. Having that large inverted trap in the main feed line is not going to make bleeding any easier. It also makes that trap the highest point in the system. Maybe try running motor, turn off then cycle steering.

6600DURAMAX 05-21-2023 05:40 PM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
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does this help

I have started it numerous times......... I just want to ensure nothing else is wrong

PLUS it shoots fluid out of the reservoir every time I shut the engine off as well

57taskforce 05-21-2023 07:44 PM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
It’s Plumbed correctly.
Try filling the reservoir while it’s running, my setup did exactly what you are describing and the reservoir on my pump wasn’t big enough to supply the whole system from empty if that makes sense, and would start cavitating and aerate the fluid causing the volcanic eruption of foamy oil when you shut the engine off. Once I filled the reservoir with it running the cavitation stopped and it bled out really quickly.

Richard 05-21-2023 08:13 PM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
The inverted trap in the pump to hydroboost is causing the drain back to pump and reservoir to be worse.

6600DURAMAX 05-21-2023 08:45 PM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
Richard - what do you mean by inverted trap ?

6600DURAMAX 05-21-2023 08:46 PM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
57 - I'll try that. Do you have your reservoir mounted higher than I do ? Mine is about 3'' below the top of the radiator for reference

57taskforce 05-21-2023 11:33 PM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
I have the stock pump and reservoir off of a 72 v8 K20.

Richard 05-21-2023 11:58 PM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 6600DURAMAX (Post 9206009)
Richard - what do you mean by inverted trap ?

A sink trap is a U shape. The hose from Hydroboost to pump forms an inverted U shape. The top of that is the highest point in your system. I would turn 90 at hydroboost and route hose under unit. Will help equalize pressures in the hoses going to the unit and should help with bleed back. Yes, getting reservoir higher will help as well. Even with the hydroboost unit or higher would be best if attainable.
Make sure the line from reservoir to pump has a good downhill angle is a necessity, it should not be level or form a trap.

6600DURAMAX 05-22-2023 08:37 AM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
I'll have to reevaluate the entire setup if the reservoir needs to be higher - there is really not a good way with this style /setup. The feed line from the reservoir to the pump is definitely not at a downhill slope that's for sure.

I'll see if routing the hose under the unit is possible.

6600DURAMAX 05-22-2023 08:59 AM

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I violate almost every one of these item of " what not to do" ..... Guess its back to the drawing board for reservoir placement .....

Willie Makeit 05-22-2023 10:55 AM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 57taskforce (Post 9205991)
It’s Plumbed correctly.
Try filling the reservoir while it’s running, my setup did exactly what you are describing and the reservoir on my pump wasn’t big enough to supply the whole system from empty if that makes sense, and would start cavitating and aerate the fluid causing the volcanic eruption of foamy oil when you shut the engine off. Once I filled the reservoir with it running the cavitation stopped and it bled out really quickly.

I have experienced the same. Filled when running and issues went away.

6600DURAMAX 05-22-2023 11:13 AM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
I have my reservoir outlet way below the pump ..... I'm sure this needs corrected ASAP. Headed out now to see how it can be mounted differently

6600DURAMAX 05-22-2023 05:54 PM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
fabbed up a mount to mount it directly above the pump on the driver side head - now I need some new ferrules for teh PTFE hoses and I'll be ready to fire this up again - hopefully with better results

Richard 05-23-2023 03:37 AM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
Would bet the farm this is the main problem. Good to hear you came up with a solution.

6600DURAMAX 06-02-2023 12:08 PM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
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Okay - mounted the hydro boost reservoir directly above the pump

Been working on bleeding it - seems to be getting better but quick question

1. the ps fluid in the reservoir continues to fluctuate up and down - is that normal?? It will almost overflow the reservoir then go down to 1/4 full when cranking the wheel from lock to lock

2. Fluid is not foaming and appears to not have much air in it

57taskforce 06-02-2023 03:42 PM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
Yea the fluid level fluctuations are normal, because the fluid is being directed thru the system assist in braking and steering.

6600DURAMAX 06-03-2023 02:18 PM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
Darn it ---- still have issues

When motor is off reservoir is about 1/3 full - when I crank the wheels back and forth fluid level rises to the very top of the reservoir - then when I crank the wheels back the other way the fluid drops to about 1/3 again..... all seems fine

HOWEVER - when I start the engine the reservoir empties thus allowing air back into the system.

When shut off the fluid level returns to about 1/3 then when cranking wheels with the engine off the fluid rises all the way back to the top ( essentially overflowing) ....

Is my reservoir to small ?? Something is a miss here

6600DURAMAX 06-03-2023 02:24 PM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
Doing my calculations the reservoir is roughly 16 oz

Its a billet reservoir from CVF

Getter-Done 06-03-2023 04:56 PM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
I can't answer the reservoir capacity question.
I was just wondering,
Did you go with a oil cooler on your system?

Hope you can find your issue with this.

Sounds like you are bleeding the system correctly.
Here is a link I have saved.

Link: https://my.cardone.com/techdocs/930394-52.pdf

6600DURAMAX 06-03-2023 05:04 PM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
No cooler in the system - considered it but decide against it

Richard 06-03-2023 09:03 PM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
Hate to say it but I still see a problem with the reservoir and hose to pump. There is a considerable trap in the hose. Both sides of the trap are fairly close in height preventing fluid to flow easily into pump. Maybe try clocking the PS pump so inlet fitting ievel if possible. If no, maybe changing the fitting into pump with a tight 90 would help by making the trap smaller. Some fittings I am speaking of https://www.lsxconcepts.com/collecti...-pump-fittings

roboticjunky 06-03-2023 10:44 PM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
So I just went out to my garage to check the routing on my hydroboost (which the car came originally with). The single hose on the motor side/towards the passenger side is for high pressure from the ps pump. The hose closest to the firewall on the fender side is high pressure to the gear box and it goes to the thread hole closet to the frame. The hose closest to the master cylinder on the fender side is the low pressure that goes back to the reservoir. The threaded hole closest to your front driver side tire is the low pressure side and goes back to the reservoir.

Here are some pics to help explain.

http://www.vancopbs.com/v/vspfiles/images/Vanco6.gif

https://dmaxstore.com/products/image...ne-700x700.jpg

roboticjunky 06-03-2023 10:46 PM

Re: Hydroboost Bleeding Issues
 
Here's another pic, but doesn't show the gearbox because it's for a rack and pinion. The black hoses in the pic are the high pressure ones.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/attachmen...uired-pic1.jpg


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