oldiron, that's nothing compared to one that a guy in our shop has. that thing has to be 16' long. i know where you're coming from about having to have a lot of space. i started a job as an RV service tech last monday. i went out monday night and bought what i thought was a decent sized box. A) it would almost fit inside most of the other guys boxes, and B) its pretty much full. my dad works in the same complex, but in the paint shop rather than service. he's getting ready to step up to a new box, so i'll inherit his Matco