Problems buying from gmachinz Jabin Wood?

[SCOTI]

Originally Posted by Loco83

Glad I didn't have any dealings with the low life, was looking at a wiring harness for my front lights.

Stealing or being a thief = "low-life".

Taking money for something you're building for someone is an exchange. Not delivering the goods that someone paid for in a timely fashion is poor business practices. These are two distinctly different things.

If you buy something from someone and expect to get it or tracking info within x-days when that someone is KNOWN for extended delivery times/not meeting delivery times that doesn't make them a thief.

Purchasing products through PayPal using the 'Friends & Family' option to save a few bucks is a poor choice on all involved as it negates the possibility of other resources helping if there is a dispute between the parties. Name-calling someone that has your money & hasn't delivered your product will most likely not speed up their efforts to appease you.

[texxxan]

Originally Posted by SCOTI

Stealing or being a thief = "low-life".

Taking money for something you're building for someone is an exchange. Not delivering the goods that someone paid for in a timely fashion is poor business practices. These are two distinctly different things.

If you buy something from someone and expect to get it or tracking info within x-days when that someone is KNOWN for extended delivery times/not meeting delivery times that doesn't make them a thief.

Purchasing products through PayPal using the 'Friends & Family' option to save a few bucks is a poor choice on all involved as it negates the possibility of other resources helping if there is a dispute between the parties. Name-calling someone that has your money & hasn't delivered your product will most likely not speed up their efforts to appease you.

He's already told me that he is not sending me the harness and that a refund through Paypal is "out of his hands." I wish he would prove me wrong here, but it is what it is. A thief.

[truckin 79]

Look IMO all these people telling you to play nice is ludicrous. The guy clearly ripped you off and refuses to make it right. I have seen his name on this board numerous times and probably like you assumed he was a stand up guy with a legit business. You could always go the social media route.

[farmall]

Taking payment with no or false ETA, no refund, would be a thief / lowlife.

The gray area is was an ETA given.

Asking for a refund and not getting one in any stage of the process is pitiful.

[SCOTI]

Originally Posted by texxxan

He's already told me that he is not sending me the harness and that a refund through Paypal is "out of his hands." I wish he would prove me wrong here, but it is what it is. A thief.

Is that because you started the demands & then name-calling? I get you're frustrated but if you started telling me "this is how it's going to be" I'd be thinking 'is that right?'.

I don't use PayPal because of their issues. I purposely use USPS Money Orders or other means so PayPal has no direct access to my accounts (because of issues w/them years ago). Even though I don't use PayPal, I know when using the F&F option, it removes the ability of assistance for you & perhaps it does for him as well. IDK, do you?

I'm not advocating for him. I'm just trying to get you to re-group & take another shot @ it w/a different mind-set.... Or as I stated, walk away & spend the $$ again.

[texxxan]

Originally Posted by SCOTI

Is that because you started the demands & then name-calling? I get you're frustrated but if you started telling me "this is how it's going to be" I'd be thinking 'is that right?'.

I don't use PayPal because of their issues. I purposely use USPS Money Orders or other means so PayPal has no direct access to my accounts (because of issues w/them years ago). Even though I don't use PayPal, I know when using the F&F option, it removes the ability of assistance for you & perhaps it does for him as well. IDK, do you?

I'm not advocating for him. I'm just trying to get you to re-group & take another shot @ it w/a different mind-set.... Or as I stated, walk away & spend the $$ again.

I assure you that I never name called or cursed him at all. The only thing I asked for was a tracking number.

[1774btcrew]

Originally Posted by texxxan

I assure you that I never name called or cursed him at all. The only thing I asked for was a tracking number.

I am sorry you have had problems with him. So many people have. I can't say I know him personally but I have talked with him on the phone several times and I don't think he is a thief. I think he takes on more work than he can handle. Maybe he just doesn't know how to turn away work. It may be the money or it may be he just wants to make people happy. He doesn't just build harnesses for squarebodies so he is(or was) on several forums. So I am sure he has a ton to build. I have asked him before for tracking numbers and never received them either.
In my experience, people that are really good at wiring, are wired differently than other people. They just see things differently. When I bought my harnesses from Jabin, it took FOREVER to receive them. I am sorry this happened to you. He really does do exceptional work.

[texxxan]

Originally Posted by 1774btcrew

I am sorry you have had problems with him. So many people have. I can't say I know him personally but I have talked with him on the phone several times and I don't think he is a thief. I think he takes on more work than he can handle. Maybe he just doesn't know how to turn away work. It may be the money or it may be he just wants to make people happy. He doesn't just build harnesses for squarebodies so he is(or was) on several forums. So I am sure he has a ton to build. I have asked him before for tracking numbers and never received them either.
In my experience, people that are really good at wiring, are wired differently than other people. They just see things differently. When I bought my harnesses from Jabin, it took FOREVER to receive them. I am sorry this happened to you. He really does do exceptional work.

I've actually heard nothing but great things about the quality of his work. This is partly my own fault. I should have researched him and certainly should not have paid him as friends and family. This has been a hard lesson to learn. He was very quick to answer my questions before I paid him. That all changed as soon as he got my money. I just want people to be informed. I wish I would have been.

[SKR]

Originally Posted by SCOTI

Is that because you started the demands & then name-calling? I get you're frustrated but if you started telling me "this is how it's going to be" I'd be thinking 'is that right?'.

If someone was mean to you you'd keep the money and the harness?

[texxxan]

Originally Posted by SKR

If someone was mean to you you'd keep the money and the harness?

I understand what Scoti is saying, but I was not mean to him nor did I disrespect him in any way. Asking for a tracking number after 11 days is not unreasonable. I wasn't demanding that it arrive at my house now or anything like that. I have had issues with my mail carrier dropping of my packages to other locations other than my own. If he knew he was going to take a long time to get it to me, all he had to do was tell me. I'm pretty reasonable and just knowing what is going on helps.

[texxxan]

I think I figured out how to do it.

[SCOTI]

Originally Posted by SKR

If someone was mean to you you'd keep the money and the harness?

Nope.

But if the guy who is on the other end of this deal can't make a refund through PayPal happen because of the way it was done, he can't force PP to do anything.

If it was me (on the other end)? I would try to open communication & refund the $$ via other means if there was some decent back & forth AND I haven't used said funds to purchase the materials for the job. Start w/the mud slinging & I have already purchased the materials? You'd get your part when it's done & like Corts60 I wouldn't worry myself about keeping you happy otherwise.

I'm not saying Texxxan is slinging-mud either. But, the more people that start chiming in w/the name calling (thief has been popular in this thread) the worse a resolvable situation can get.

Originally Posted by texxxan

I understand what Scoti is saying, but I was not mean to him nor did I disrespect him in any way. Asking for a tracking number after 11 days is not unreasonable. I wasn't demanding that it arrive at my house now or anything like that. I have had issues with my mail carrier dropping of my packages to other locations other than my own. If he knew he was going to take a long time to get it to me, all he had to do was tell me. I'm pretty reasonable and just knowing what is going on helps.

I believe this is his biggest fault. He does not communicate well. The only time you get something fast from him is if it's already built. Otherwise, he builds this stuff as a side gig.

[SKR]

Originally Posted by SCOTI

Nope.

But if the guy who is on the other end of this deal can't make a refund through PayPal happen because of the way it was done, he can't force PP to do anything.

If it was me (on the other end)? I would try to open communication & refund the $$ via other means if there was some decent back & forth AND I haven't used said funds to purchase the materials for the job. Start w/the mud slinging & I have already purchased the materials? You'd get your part when it's done & like Corts60 I wouldn't worry myself about keeping you happy otherwise.

Texxxan said gmachinz told him he won't build the harness, and won't refund the money. I can't believe I live on a planet where there's circumstances that make that acceptable to someone.

[texxxan]

Originally Posted by SKR

Texxxan said gmachinz told him he won't build the harness, and won't refund the money. I can't believe I live on a planet where there's circumstances that make that acceptable to someone.

He said a refund was out of his hands and that he redirected the harness back to himself because a vendor he uses put wrong parts in the box. He did however, tell me good luck with my project. After that, I have not heard one word from him. I asked him if I was going to get my money back or a harness? All I've heard is crickets since then.

[texxxan]

Originally Posted by SKR

Texxxan said gmachinz told him he won't build the harness, and won't refund the money. I can't believe I live on a planet where there's circumstances that make that acceptable to someone.

Oh, and never once provided me a tracking number to prove any of this.

[texxxan]

Originally Posted by SCOTI

Stealing or being a thief = "low-life".

Taking money for something you're building for someone is an exchange. Not delivering the goods that someone paid for in a timely fashion is poor business practices. These are two distinctly different things.

If you buy something from someone and expect to get it or tracking info within x-days when that someone is KNOWN for extended delivery times/not meeting delivery times that doesn't make them a thief.

Purchasing products through PayPal using the 'Friends & Family' option to save a few bucks is a poor choice on all involved as it negates the possibility of other resources helping if there is a dispute between the parties. Name-calling someone that has your money & hasn't delivered your product will most likely not speed up their efforts to appease you.

Truth is, you are right. It's just disheartening to be violated this way.

[1774btcrew]

Originally Posted by SCOTI

Stealing or being a thief = "low-life".

Taking money for something you're building for someone is an exchange. Not delivering the goods that someone paid for in a timely fashion is poor business practices. These are two distinctly different things.

If you buy something from someone and expect to get it or tracking info within x-days when that someone is KNOWN for extended delivery times/not meeting delivery times that doesn't make them a thief.

Purchasing products through PayPal using the 'Friends & Family' option to save a few bucks is a poor choice on all involved as it negates the possibility of other resources helping if there is a dispute between the parties. Name-calling someone that has your money & hasn't delivered your product will most likely not speed up their efforts to appease you.

I love the way you see things. I try and look at most of my transaction the same way. I am a seller myself and I know people get upset if you don't ship in a timely manner. The key is if you can't get something out in the time that is expected, contact the buyer BEFORE they contact you upset with not having there product shipped.
With that being said, I have purchased from Jabin and I feel he is a stand up guy. His work is beautiful, just don't expect to receive it in a timely manner. He is just ONE person trying to do very involved work. I am in the same position. I have too many customers for just one person. I don't have upset customers like he does but I get my product out on time most of the time but it is stressful

[texxxan]

Originally Posted by 1774btcrew

I love the way you see things. I try and look at most of my transaction the same way. I am a seller myself and I know people get upset if you don't ship in a timely manner. The key is if you can't get something out in the time that is expected, contact the buyer BEFORE they contact you upset with not having there product shipped.
With that being said, I have purchased from Jabin and I feel he is a stand up guy. His work is beautiful, just don't expect to receive it in a timely manner. He is just ONE person trying to do very involved work. I am in the same position. I have too many customers for just one person. I don't have upset customers like he does but I get my product out on time most of the time but it is stressful

Well, he told me he shipped it and then redirected back to him. All I asked him for was a tracking number and nothing. I then tried to do a paypal claim but I paid by friends and family and no luck there. He knows he has my money and yet all he says is good luck with my project and a refund is out of his hands. He can refund me just as easily as he money requested me. He chose not to. Now, no replies at all. It is what it is. I guess I'm wrong for wanting my harness or my money back. He said he shipped it. Why not prove it? If he shipped it, then recalled it, ship it again. Its not that hard.

[1774btcrew]

Originally Posted by texxxan

Well, he told me he shipped it and then redirected back to him. All I asked him for was a tracking number and nothing. I then tried to do a paypal claim but I paid by friends and family and no luck there. He knows he has my money and yet all he says is good luck with my project and a refund is out of his hands. He can refund me just as easily as he money requested me. He chose not to. Now, no replies at all. It is what it is. I guess I'm wrong for wanting my harness or my money back. He said he shipped it. Why not prove it? If he shipped it, then recalled it, ship it again. Its not that hard.

I wrote my last post as you were writing this one.

[1774btcrew]

Originally Posted by texxxan

Well, he told me he shipped it and then redirected back to him. All I asked him for was a tracking number and nothing. I then tried to do a paypal claim but I paid by friends and family and no luck there. He knows he has my money and yet all he says is good luck with my project and a refund is out of his hands. He can refund me just as easily as he money requested me. He chose not to. Now, no replies at all. It is what it is. I guess I'm wrong for wanting my harness or my money back. He said he shipped it. Why not prove it? If he shipped it, then recalled it, ship it again. Its not that hard.

With him or wiring people in general seeing things differently(IMHO) they may react differently to confrontation than most of us. I am not advocating his actions, I am just saying with you trying to file that Paypal claim, it may have just pissed him off and he may make it difficult for you to get your money. That doesn't make it OK at all. I am just saying that may have been what happened as I have had sellers do that to me. I am a seller of squarebody parts for a living. I have had to find a way to diplomatically answer buyers questions, even if I know they are a difficult customer. Not everyone can do that and some sellers just get pissed off. When if first started selling, I did the same thing and would tell a customer off(I never took their money) It took some time to figure out how to handle things calmly. I don't think you can be a successful seller without handling things in the proper manner. Have you called him and just tried to work things out?