4bt cummins swap

[Dieselwrencher]

Wow, all that to show a 4bt will run at or above 200hp for any given amount of time? Holly molly. I didn't realize this was 4btswaps or that uber c***insforum?

66submarine, do you do all of Ashley Black's machine work?

[66Submarine]

Originally Posted by Dieselwrencher

Wow, all that to show a 4bt will run at or above 200hp for any given amount of time? Holly molly. I didn't realize this was 4btswaps or that uber c***insforum?

66submarine, do you do all of Ashley Black's machine work?

Yeah, I'm not really sure why this thread spun out the way it did (the magic of the internet, I guess...).

It's actually the place my father works at that does most of the machine work (I've done a little bit up there, but I'm waiting for some stuff to settle/get sorted out before I start really doing anything there myself); he does the intake mod to the heads at the home shop.

[Dieselwrencher]

Originally Posted by 66Submarine

Yeah, I'm not really sure why this thread spun out the way it did (the magic of the internet, I guess...).

It's actually the place my father works at that does most of the machine work (I've done a little bit up there, but I'm waiting for some stuff to settle/get sorted out before I start really doing anything there myself); he does the intake mod to the heads at the home shop.

Nice. Too bad you weren't closer. I've got a few heads I'd like to get whacked.

[1972RedNeck]

Originally Posted by Dieselwrencher

Wow, all that to show a 4bt will run at or above 200hp for any given amount of time? Holly molly. I didn't realize this was 4btswaps or that uber c***insforum?

I still don't see why running a 4BT over 200 HP is any different than running a 6BT over 300 HP - which I along with many others have successfully done - but everybody says that they can't do it. Maybe they can't and I've just spent too much time on CompD where they have 500 HP 4BT's.

[Dieselwrencher]

We've worked on two 4bts in mid 90s chevy 3/4 tons and they are over 200hp,actually one 255 and one 288 on a chassis dyno, and they have been for years. I wouldn't be afraid of it at all.

[Ed ke6bnl]

I am pretty sure my choice of motors for my 53 pu on an S10 frame will be the 4bt, In So. California I have been seeing a lot of motors with the ford trans 4 speed T19 whats the thoughts on that trans.

[66LSx]

T19 has been a ford truck staple from 1968 thru 1991. Plentiful, strong... And it's a top loader.... Cheap to rebuild if ever. Not going to go anywhere fast or do any speed shifting tho

[6BT 56]

I'm confused ? Is there actually sumone building a 4 bt old truck here ? If So bring on the build . Sounds cool. All this back and forth make's me think I'm on pirate 4x4 , or what ever that other website is called. they spend more time there hacking your build than anything else .

[truckeez]

Originally Posted by 6BT 56

I'm confused ? Is there actually sumone building a 4 bt old truck here ? If So bring on the build . Sounds cool. All this back and forth make's me think I'm on pirate 4x4 , or what ever that other website is called. they spend more time there hacking your build than anything else .

And if they are building a 4bt powered something.....
Hopefully they are using a viable frame,, rather than ignoring the obvious and lieing to onesself you can just mount it in a little tiny 1/4 ton (in reality) frame designed for a 450 lb motor max, anyone thinking you can just swap out some springs in a s10 frame and mount a rock crushing vibrator thats damn near 900 is nuts.

[Dieselwrencher]

I also say build something or beat it.

I must be a fool for putting a rattle trap POS 6bt in a Corvette too. No way that frame can handle all that rattly torque stuff.

[1972RedNeck]

Originally Posted by Dieselwrencher

I also say build something or beat it.

I must be a fool for putting a rattle trap POS 6bt in a Corvette too. No way that frame can handle all that rattly torque stuff.

Originally Posted by truckeez

the wierdo 4bt craze is just that.... 1000$ i dont think so unless someone is doing some serious inet scrownging and swapping spare junk to get there (but -No , not including a modded pump---NO Way).
you start adding the cost of sourcing the correct back plate you have to have and the flywheel that it didn't come with and ,,,, oh yea that damn outfit called advanced adaptors just wont sell those bits at a giveaway price,

Plus the hemeroid surgery from the butt sore cringing syndrome of not only driving something so equipped after going into that much hock--just to be in with the latest oddball IN crowd. oh and lets not forget The attempts to sell the project off to some new guy to the crazee 4bt thing because you realize its just too damn rough to use in anything,,, there is a durango equipped one someone could get for .....


and last but not least the dentist bill to have the fillings replaced.
hey lets get a s10 frame and an old heap from the farmers tree row and build a _real_ truck!!

I've got my 4BT up and running. It makes the stock 7.3 (180 hp) look like a turd. EGT's won't go over 950 and boost runs about 50 lbs. Just a "crazee 4bt thing" I guess.

As far as the vibration, I used liquid filled engine isolators and there is hardly any vibration or shake.

[Dieselwrencher]

Glad to hear you got yours going. Do you have a build thread on here anywhere?

[1972RedNeck]

Originally Posted by Dieselwrencher

Glad to hear you got yours going. Do you have a build thread on here anywhere?

Over on FTE I do. Fords aren't the most admired vehicles over here.

[muffintop]

What are all the alternatives to a 4bt? That get around 20~30 mpg and are diesel.

so far i got 4-53 Detroit

im sure a lsx or newer diesel can provide higher power and torque. but im looking for a dependable, fully mechanical and realtivly decent mileage diesel.

[patdaly]

Originally Posted by muffintop

What are all the alternatives to a 4bt? That get around 20~30 mpg and are diesel.

so far i got 4-53 Detroit

im sure a lsx or newer diesel can provide higher power and torque. but im looking for a dependable, fully mechanical and realtivly decent mileage diesel.

Isuzu 4BDT1 or 2, Mercedes OM-617 ( 300TD ) are a couple. Both have relatively easy swap potential. Some are working with the smaller Kubotas, but they really would be underpowered for a full sized truck.

[1972RedNeck]

Originally Posted by patdaly

Isuzu 4BDT1 or 2, Mercedes OM-617 ( 300TD ) are a couple. Both have relatively easy swap potential. Some are working with the smaller Kubotas, but they really would be underpowered for a full sized truck.

Everybody said a 4BT would be too underpowered for a one ton. Unless I need over 300 HP, everybody was wrong.

What about a 3BT Cummins?

[Dieselwrencher]

Alternatives to a 4bt, here are a few:

Availability
Price is reasonable
Decent power for reletively cheap and good mileage
All the 6bt dodge pieces will bolt on to aid in swaps etc

Cons

A little loud and shaky for most people. Balance the crank and rods and add a fluidampr or ATI and they get a lot better.

['65Burb]

Howdy and happy new year's.
I was doing the holiday visitation trip and talking to family member who has a 2011 BMW M5 SUV and it is a diesel. He told me that he towed a car on a trailer with this thing and got about 21 mpg doing it. I don't know spit about beemers or diesels but I wondered if such a power plant and trans would be good for my '65 'burb. Anybody here know about this engine and trans and if it would be a feasible swap? Thanks in advance.

[HemiChallenger71]

no

['65Burb]

Hmmmm...eloquent.

Is it 'cause it ain't good ol' 'merican steel?

I think that it might be cool to put together a hybrid exotic if it did the job. Learned that they are 6 cylinder but in the size SUV they come in should be a good fit in a '65 compartment. Just brain stormin'

[HemiChallenger71]

Originally Posted by '65Burb

Is it 'cause it ain't good ol' 'merican steel?

Dont be a ..............
Your going to cut up a 20k + suv for a project? The engine and trans alone are probably worth 5-10k.

Anything is possible, how much money do you have?

The amount of wiring and computer problems would make your head explode. Thats even if someone is capable of hacking to the computers so it will run stand alone. If you couldnt do that you'd have to have a custom harness made with a standalone ecu. Theres miles of wiring in those things.

The new twin turbo inline bmw diesel is a pretty badass engine. I think the 2011 was the previous generation, single turbo.

[1972RedNeck]

Originally Posted by HemiChallenger71

Dont be a .....

You could have expounded a little more in your first post.

['65Burb]

Man, I really did not expect to get dumped on for asking this question. It is amazing to see how one's thinking a bit out of the box can make another uncomfortable enough to lash out.

Really, you think I would go and cut up a beemer to get it's engine? Don't know about the Detroit area, but down here in Texas we have these places called "wrecking yards".

[HemiChallenger71]

Originally Posted by '65Burb

Man, I really did not expect to get dumped on for asking this question. It is amazing to see how one's thinking a bit out of the box can make another uncomfortable enough to lash out.

Its your comment. I call it how I see it. All I said was no and you made a remark.

At least ryanroo stepped back and thought about things before asking about a bmw diesel swap.

You can do anything you want, just depends how much money you have. I doubt many people here have the money and time that would be involved with a electronically controlled BMW diesel swap.

Neat? yes. Practical? No. Cost effective? No and it never will be.
For what that engine will cost you can buy a new VM motori v-6 smog legal crate engine and trans and probably have more power too.

[Dieselwrencher]

Let's keep it civil. So, Mr.HemiChallenger71, do you think it's stupid when someone buys a brand new hemi srt8 and guts it and sticks a CR 5.9 and tubs it for a race truck? You can probably buy a wrecked/killed Mercedes SUV and gut it too. It's all in what a person wants. There's no reason a person couldn't take everything from that Mercedes and put it in an older body/chassis. It's happened several times with other high tech vehicles. Don't kill others' ideas. You sound like the die hard Corvette guys that see my Vette.