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**robnolimit** · 11-01-2010, 03:27 PM

Back from SEMA on sunday, we loaded in the truck. Saw the new demo truck for AccuAir, - all I can say is WOW

**N2TRUX** · 11-01-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by robnolimit

.... Crap, i've been running all year on about 5/8 throttle....

So essentially you have been kicking butt on a detuned motor. I'm thinking your competitors probably don't want to know that.

Time to upgrade the brakes again...

**robnolimit** · 11-01-2010, 09:54 PM

Well, as much as I'm ashamed to admit the mistake, I do see the humor in it.

**robnolimit** · 11-07-2010, 02:40 AM

Back from SEMA and the Optima Invitational. We had a blast. The truck ran great. Rob Phillips ran his 69 C-10 with all new Hotchkis gear, and it handles great. The quality of cars was amazing, and the raw horsepower on hand was off the hook. An 1800 hp gen-3 camaro from Europe, a 973hp twin turbo vette, an 1150 hp shelby mustang. If you didn't cross the 650 hp line, your out of the running. Wewatched in dis-belief as the owner thashed on his $1million 59 Mercedes 190, a truelly gorgeous car. I'll get picts, stats and video up soon.

**N2TRUX** · 11-07-2010, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by robnolimit

.... Rob Phillips ran his 69 C-10 with all new Hotchkis gear, and it handles great.

I saw where he went to the black 19's rather than the 20's. The truck looked better with the silver wheels, but I guess the black look is the rage.

So how did you do over all?

mongoose · 11-07-2010, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by N2TRUX

I saw where he went to the black 19's rather than the 20's. The truck looked better with the silver wheels, but I guess the black look is the rage.

So how did you do over all?

he could of done that just for tire availability as he was running his truck..

**robnolimit** · 11-07-2010, 02:20 PM

The wheel choice could have been for style, or tires, Optima specs 200 tw, so the sticky Kumho's are out. We didn't see the final #s, but we finished 20th in the autocross, and 27th on the roadcoarse. Don't know about the speedstop challenge, or the performance/design judging. Friday nights "road rally" was a lot of fun, we made it to parhump with only 8 minutes to spare. - Hwy 160 to Parhump is pretty smooth, and allowed us to make up some time with extended triple digit speeds. Thanks to radar detection! All in all a great event.

jayman68 · 11-08-2010, 11:18 PM

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Quote from robnolimit:
"Well, I once built an IRS from scratch, and can say that I don't recomend it. That route will cost you plenty in time, money and heartache. But, an IRS may be more reasonable to do than you think. We do a bunch of them here using the Crown Vic - TownCar IRS unit. OK, don't gasp too hard. I know it's a Ford unit, but so is a 9", don't hate on it too much. The Crown Vic IRS unbolts from the doner car in a cradle with four big bolts and drops out. Salvage yard price is around $400 in So Cal. These have an 8.8" gear set with ltd. slip, disk brakes, and are easily converted to air ride. Swapping one in is pretty easy, you just trim the stock cradle to fit into your rails, set the pinion angle, and true up the CL then weld in the cradle. From there it's a bolt in. Check one out on your next bone-yard excursion."

Is there a certain year or model of Crown Vic/Town car with the IRS? I looked at one today and it looked like it had a solid axle with a triangulated 4 link. Or is that considered IRS? A friend said he thought it is the Mark VIII that has IRS.

mongoose · 11-09-2010, 12:26 AM

are the crown vics just as strong as the cobra units?

**SactoJim** · 11-09-2010, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robnolimit

Back from SEMA and the Optima Invitational. We had a blast. The truck ran great. Rob Phillips ran his 69 C-10 with all new Hotchkis gear, and it handles great. The quality of cars was amazing, and the raw horsepower on hand was off the hook. An 1800 hp gen-3 camaro from Europe, a 973hp twin turbo vette, an 1150 hp shelby mustang. If you didn't cross the 650 hp line, your out of the running. Wewatched in dis-belief as the owner thashed on his $1million 59 Mercedes 190, a truelly gorgeous car. I'll get picts, stats and video up soon.

Was that the White 190 that was in the BASF booth with AMG drivetrain?.....what a totally fricken cool car.

**robnolimit** · 11-09-2010, 12:58 AM

YES, I guess it's a 61. Amazing car, and the owner flogged the snot out of it. Can't stop thinking about that car. It was built by Randy Clark, Hot Rods and Custom Stuff, in Escondido, Ca. This is the new benchmark for all classic car builders.

ajgriffin · 11-09-2010, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robnolimit

YES, I guess it's a 61. Amazing car, and the owner flogged the snot out of it. Can't stop thinking about that car. It was built by Randy Clark, Hot Rods and Custom Stuff, in Escondido, Ca. This is the new benchmark for all classic car builders.

You guys have been holding out! No one said that they stuff an AMG biturbo V12 in this thing! You're right about the benchmark being set. Check it out for yourselves...

http://www.hotrodscustomstuff.com/ph...61-190-sl.html

**N2TRUX** · 11-09-2010, 10:05 AM

I saw several pics of the car in event coverage, but had no idea. I thought it looked good lowered, but had no indication it was a beast in sheeps clothing.

SCOTI · 11-09-2010, 10:37 AM

It's very cool. I'm diggin' the lg diameter OE look for the rolling stock.

edflores · 11-09-2010, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTI

It's very cool. I'm diggin' the lg diameter OE look for the rolling stock.

I agree. That just completes the look and theme.

**robnolimit** · 11-10-2010, 04:48 PM

Well we're getting back to normal. For the IRS questions, '98 - 08 Crown Vics, Mk IV, had IRS, but not in all cars. some had solid axle /multi link. The center carrier is the same 8.8 as the cobra, but the lower arms are wider, so I prefer the Crown Vic. On the mercedes, the center cap of the wheel is a spinner, and it is wieghted on the bottom, so when the car drives past, the emblem stays still. Too cool. pleasonton Good-Guys this weekend is the last auto-x of the season for us. Looks like hotchkis is sending out the whole stable of trucks to try and beat us. Should be a fun weekend. Rob Phillips had the new Hotchkis TVS kit on his truck at the Optima Challenge, and it was working great, Horsepower played a big part in the track layout, and this favored his c-10. He beat me at the autocross by .02 sec, and a full 2 sec faster on the road coarse. So, if you plan to go to a big coarse don't forget the horsepower.

jayman68 · 11-10-2010, 06:32 PM

^^^Thanks

**robnolimit** · 11-15-2010, 03:47 PM

Good morning boys and girls. We just got home from the Pleasonton Goodguys, and another win in the autocross. Strong competition with the top 4 trucks. Our 55 was victorious with a 32.208 fast lap. Rob Phillips 69 C-10 ran out a 32.886 for 2nd, and a great running 69 F100 (fatman equipped) took third with a 33.321. Mike Hickmans 70 C-10 was plauged with ignition problems, and ran a 33.465 for fourth. Both of the C-10's are running the new Hotchkis TVS kits, and sticky rubber, and they are great handling trucks. The truck class is going to be very tough next yr. Rumors of LS power for Phillips and Hickman, and I'm guessing that Jon will be a west coast force now that he is with Scotts. It looks like we're setting out to build a competitive C-10 to keep up with the GM crowd. I will be starting a build thread soon, and post 'most' of the info

tech@scottshotrods · 11-15-2010, 04:07 PM

that benz was actually a 04 with skins on it beautiful car never the less I looked at it for ever then noticed some thing was odd it was wider than I remember beautiful benz!!!! talked to them and picked there brain for a bit

tubbedII · 11-15-2010, 04:17 PM

I couldn't figure out how to embedd the vid, but I saw this and thought it'd be nice to show in this thread. Thanks for all the great advice on here rob.

http://www.hotchkis.net/6772_c10_fro...7_VAz_sPeNgHKQ

**robnolimit** · 11-15-2010, 05:55 PM

thanks, that was a fun day. Truckin mag did a big story on it. A failing master cyl kept me out of the top spot, which is pretty embarrasing for a 'brake guy' to admit. The cool thing is that we learned alot about trucks, and how to make them better.

nuke1 · 11-16-2010, 01:42 AM

When I started to build my truck a few years ago, i tried to build it to handle the best that I possible could on what knowledge I could find from anyone and everyone, next year I will join the local SCCA up here. I built most of all of my own suspension for her, the front suspension, I am somewhat happy with, but I need to change it, and I have to change out my shocks....... I slapped her together to put a few thousand miles on her first and then start the changes, this Is what i strive for, G's!!!!!! but up here in winter wondderland, i can only do so much.

please keep on with this, itrigues me immensely!!!

texanidiot25 · 11-16-2010, 07:57 AM

How awesome would a purpose built 2wd Blazer be? Solid body, shorter wheel base (if I recall right), less sheet metal, so maybe less weight...

**robnolimit** · 11-16-2010, 11:51 AM

Don't think that concept hasn't crossed the radar here. By the way, if your in the 47-59 years, we are having a sale on rear suspensions this month, check the 47-59 forum. Today is the 1rst ever No Limit Big ten Challenge. 10 manufacturers, 10 cars, all out competition.

basemodel67 · 11-19-2010, 02:25 AM

Hey Rob, totally off topic, but where did you get the headlights on your Ffffffffff... Hold on, let me try again, Ffffooorr-blah. Dang, can't say it. Your silver truck that is in every magazine I see.

I kinda like the LED ring around them!

Also, thanks for the great info you are putting in this thread. It almost has me motivated to go out and work on my truck...

11-01-2010, 03:27 PM	#176
robnolimit Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Dandridge, Tn. USA Posts: 2,226	Re: Make it handle Back from SEMA on sunday, we loaded in the truck. Saw the new demo truck for AccuAir, - all I can say is WOW

11-01-2010, 09:54 PM	#178
robnolimit Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Dandridge, Tn. USA Posts: 2,226	Re: Make it handle Well, as much as I'm ashamed to admit the mistake, I do see the humor in it.

11-07-2010, 02:40 AM	#179
robnolimit Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Dandridge, Tn. USA Posts: 2,226	Re: Make it handle Back from SEMA and the Optima Invitational. We had a blast. The truck ran great. Rob Phillips ran his 69 C-10 with all new Hotchkis gear, and it handles great. The quality of cars was amazing, and the raw horsepower on hand was off the hook. An 1800 hp gen-3 camaro from Europe, a 973hp twin turbo vette, an 1150 hp shelby mustang. If you didn't cross the 650 hp line, your out of the running. Wewatched in dis-belief as the owner thashed on his $1million 59 Mercedes 190, a truelly gorgeous car. I'll get picts, stats and video up soon.

11-07-2010, 02:20 PM	#182
robnolimit Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Dandridge, Tn. USA Posts: 2,226	Re: Make it handle The wheel choice could have been for style, or tires, Optima specs 200 tw, so the sticky Kumho's are out. We didn't see the final #s, but we finished 20th in the autocross, and 27th on the roadcoarse. Don't know about the speedstop challenge, or the performance/design judging. Friday nights "road rally" was a lot of fun, we made it to parhump with only 8 minutes to spare. - Hwy 160 to Parhump is pretty smooth, and allowed us to make up some time with extended triple digit speeds. Thanks to radar detection! All in all a great event. Last edited by robnolimit; 11-07-2010 at 02:21 PM.

11-08-2010, 11:18 PM	#183
jayman68 Fun Stuff Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Sedro Woolley, WA Posts: 400	Re: Make it handle -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote from robnolimit: "Well, I once built an IRS from scratch, and can say that I don't recomend it. That route will cost you plenty in time, money and heartache. But, an IRS may be more reasonable to do than you think. We do a bunch of them here using the Crown Vic - TownCar IRS unit. OK, don't gasp too hard. I know it's a Ford unit, but so is a 9", don't hate on it too much. The Crown Vic IRS unbolts from the doner car in a cradle with four big bolts and drops out. Salvage yard price is around $400 in So Cal. These have an 8.8" gear set with ltd. slip, disk brakes, and are easily converted to air ride. Swapping one in is pretty easy, you just trim the stock cradle to fit into your rails, set the pinion angle, and true up the CL then weld in the cradle. From there it's a bolt in. Check one out on your next bone-yard excursion." Is there a certain year or model of Crown Vic/Town car with the IRS? I looked at one today and it looked like it had a solid axle with a triangulated 4 link. Or is that considered IRS? A friend said he thought it is the Mark VIII that has IRS. __________________ Jay 68 C10(project) 88 Honda Accord(DD) 93 Chevy Astro EXT 2wd Last edited by jayman68; 11-08-2010 at 11:23 PM. Reason: add quote

11-09-2010, 12:26 AM	#184
mongoose Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: slurrey, bc. Posts: 1,134	Re: Make it handle are the crown vics just as strong as the cobra units? __________________ -'73 c/10 - Low with Go - will be complete... probably never. -'90 2wd Blazer - well... soon enough anyways. -'84 SWB - the daily gas guzzler.

11-09-2010, 12:58 AM	#186
robnolimit Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Dandridge, Tn. USA Posts: 2,226	Re: Make it handle YES, I guess it's a 61. Amazing car, and the owner flogged the snot out of it. Can't stop thinking about that car. It was built by Randy Clark, Hot Rods and Custom Stuff, in Escondido, Ca. This is the new benchmark for all classic car builders.

11-09-2010, 10:05 AM	#188
N2TRUX Happy to be here Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 39,023	Re: Make it handle I saw several pics of the car in event coverage, but had no idea. I thought it looked good lowered, but had no indication it was a beast in sheeps clothing. __________________ Follow me on Facebook and Instagram @N2trux.com Articles- "Jake" the 84 to 74 crewcab "Elwood" the77_Remix 85 GMC Sierra "Scarlett" "Refining Sierra"

11-09-2010, 10:37 AM	#189
SCOTI Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: DALLAS,TX Posts: 22,031	Re: Make it handle It's very cool. I'm diggin' the lg diameter OE look for the rolling stock. __________________ 67SWB-B.B.RetroRod 64SWB-Recycle 89CCDually-Driver/Tow Truck 99CCSWB Driver All Fleetsides @rattlecankustoms in IG Building a small, high rpm engine with the perfect bore, stroke and rod ratio is very impressive. It's like a highly skilled Morrocan sword fighter with a Damascus Steel Scimitar..... *Cubic inches is like Indiana Jones with a cheap pistol.*

11-10-2010, 04:48 PM	#191
robnolimit Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Dandridge, Tn. USA Posts: 2,226	Re: Make it handle Well we're getting back to normal. For the IRS questions, '98 - 08 Crown Vics, Mk IV, had IRS, but not in all cars. some had solid axle /multi link. The center carrier is the same 8.8 as the cobra, but the lower arms are wider, so I prefer the Crown Vic. On the mercedes, the center cap of the wheel is a spinner, and it is wieghted on the bottom, so when the car drives past, the emblem stays still. Too cool. pleasonton Good-Guys this weekend is the last auto-x of the season for us. Looks like hotchkis is sending out the whole stable of trucks to try and beat us. Should be a fun weekend. Rob Phillips had the new Hotchkis TVS kit on his truck at the Optima Challenge, and it was working great, Horsepower played a big part in the track layout, and this favored his c-10. He beat me at the autocross by .02 sec, and a full 2 sec faster on the road coarse. So, if you plan to go to a big coarse don't forget the horsepower.

11-10-2010, 06:32 PM	#192
jayman68 Fun Stuff Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Sedro Woolley, WA Posts: 400	Re: Make it handle ^^^Thanks __________________ Jay 68 C10(project) 88 Honda Accord(DD) 93 Chevy Astro EXT 2wd

11-15-2010, 03:47 PM	#193
robnolimit Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Dandridge, Tn. USA Posts: 2,226	Re: Make it handle Good morning boys and girls. We just got home from the Pleasonton Goodguys, and another win in the autocross. Strong competition with the top 4 trucks. Our 55 was victorious with a 32.208 fast lap. Rob Phillips 69 C-10 ran out a 32.886 for 2nd, and a great running 69 F100 (fatman equipped) took third with a 33.321. Mike Hickmans 70 C-10 was plauged with ignition problems, and ran a 33.465 for fourth. Both of the C-10's are running the new Hotchkis TVS kits, and sticky rubber, and they are great handling trucks. The truck class is going to be very tough next yr. Rumors of LS power for Phillips and Hickman, and I'm guessing that Jon will be a west coast force now that he is with Scotts. It looks like we're setting out to build a competitive C-10 to keep up with the GM crowd. I will be starting a build thread soon, and post 'most' of the info

11-15-2010, 04:07 PM	#194
tech@scottshotrods Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: california Posts: 631	Re: Make it handle that benz was actually a 04 with skins on it beautiful car never the less I looked at it for ever then noticed some thing was odd it was wider than I remember beautiful benz!!!! talked to them and picked there brain for a bit

11-15-2010, 04:17 PM	#195
tubbedII needs more $$$ Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sacramento Posts: 1,936	Re: Make it handle I couldn't figure out how to embedd the vid, but I saw this and thought it'd be nice to show in this thread. Thanks for all the great advice on here rob. http://www.hotchkis.net/6772_c10_fro...7_VAz_sPeNgHKQ __________________ 1970 2wd Blazer

11-15-2010, 05:55 PM	#196
robnolimit Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Dandridge, Tn. USA Posts: 2,226	Re: Make it handle thanks, that was a fun day. Truckin mag did a big story on it. A failing master cyl kept me out of the top spot, which is pretty embarrasing for a 'brake guy' to admit. The cool thing is that we learned alot about trucks, and how to make them better.



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11-16-2010, 01:42 AM	#197
nuke1 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan,: Posts: 2,901	Re: Make it handle When I started to build my truck a few years ago, i tried to build it to handle the best that I possible could on what knowledge I could find from anyone and everyone, next year I will join the local SCCA up here. I built most of all of my own suspension for her, the front suspension, I am somewhat happy with, but I need to change it, and I have to change out my shocks....... I slapped her together to put a few thousand miles on her first and then start the changes, this Is what i strive for, G's!!!!!! but up here in winter wondderland, i can only do so much. please keep on with this, itrigues me immensely!!! __________________ James 1968 GMC "HAVOC" 1986 GMC "Frank" J.J.R.H. Design & Consulting My 68`Rebuild "HAVOC": http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=316300 A 58' chev build thread: http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=311238 1969 Camaro Pro Touring http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...61#post3513361 Swiss Cheese: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=384390 Adjustable Trailing Arm How-To: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=321100 1968 Ford Farm Truck: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=1#post6555587

11-16-2010, 07:57 AM	#198
texanidiot25 Eat My Rust Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cypress, Texas Posts: 3,362	Re: Make it handle How awesome would a purpose built 2wd Blazer be? Solid body, shorter wheel base (if I recall right), less sheet metal, so maybe less weight...

11-16-2010, 11:51 AM	#199
robnolimit Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Dandridge, Tn. USA Posts: 2,226	Re: Make it handle Don't think that concept hasn't crossed the radar here. By the way, if your in the 47-59 years, we are having a sale on rear suspensions this month, check the 47-59 forum. Today is the 1rst ever No Limit Big ten Challenge. 10 manufacturers, 10 cars, all out competition.

11-19-2010, 02:25 AM	#200
basemodel67 Factory Strippers Rule! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shingle Springs, CA Posts: 707	Re: Make it handle Hey Rob, totally off topic, but where did you get the headlights on your Ffffffffff... Hold on, let me try again, Ffffooorr-blah. Dang, can't say it. Your silver truck that is in every magazine I see. I kinda like the LED ring around them! Also, thanks for the great info you are putting in this thread. It almost has me motivated to go out and work on my truck... __________________ "Feast your eyes on a feast of smoke." 67 Chevy Short Fleet PLAN: LQ9, 4L60, D60 Looking for School Bus Gauges - Help me out! Last edited by basemodel67; 11-19-2010 at 02:26 AM.

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